Webbo Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Webbo: everybody outside the EU trades on wto terms Toddy: no, they have trade deals with friends and neighbours Webbo: does China or the US have trade deals with the EU Toddy: no, they have them with their friends and neighbours Webbo: see, I'm right Does the US and China have a trade deal with the EU? No. Does the US and China trade with the EU? Yes We're still leaving.
lifted*fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: We're still leaving. 1
Guest Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 Only 7 countries in the world trade only on WTO terms. Cuba and Venezuela are amongst them. That's the route you suggest? http://media.economist.com/news/britain/21731865-practice-almost-no-countries-trade-eu-wto-terms-alone-brexiteers-claim-trade We're clearly only going to be leaving on paper by the time the EU have gotten their way. No PM could possibly sign up to a true Brexit without destroying their party, country and legacy. 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: Does the US and China have a trade deal with the EU? No. Does the US and China trade with the EU? Yes We're still leaving.
lifted*fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: We're clearly only going to be leaving on paper "that's all we ever wanted anyway" Edited 6 July 2018 by lifted*fox 4
Webbo Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 Just now, toddybad said: Only 7 countries in the world trade only on WTO terms. Cuba and Venezuela are amongst them. That's the route you suggest? http://media.economist.com/news/britain/21731865-practice-almost-no-countries-trade-eu-wto-terms-alone-brexiteers-claim-trade We're clearly only going to be leaving on paper by the time the EU have gotten their way. No PM could possibly sign up to a true Brexit without destroying their party, country and legacy. I won't be only on WTO terms for long. If we leave in name only it will destroy the party.
Guest Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: I won't be only on WTO terms for long. If we leave in name only it will destroy the party. I'll grieve quietly, I'm sure. You trouble for you is that you actually appear to believe the blocks that Boris etc spouted when even they clearly don't believe it. Does the fact there's no plan not bother you? You day it wouldn't be for long - what plan or blueprint have you read that tells you that? Or are you just making up what would happen? It's a complete and utter fantasy. Edited 6 July 2018 by Guest
Webbo Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: I'll grieve quietly, I'm sure. You trouble for you is that you actually appear to believe the blocks that Boris etc spouted when even they clearly don't believe it. Does the fact there's no plan not bother you? You day it wouldn't be for long - what plan or blueprint have you read that tells you that? Or are you just making up what would happen? It's a complete and utter fantasy. We'll see.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 This is Brexit in name only. Now that the Brexiteers in the Cabinet have blinked it’s time for the ERG group to vote down the Goverment’s white paper along with the Labour Party bringing Theresa May’s government down. That is, of course, if Jacob Rees-Bottlejob has the guts to do it.
lifted*fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 lol, webbo's argument completely reduced to 'we'll see'. 758 pages and he's given up. right chaps, that's me done. I'm off, I'll see you in another life
lifted*fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said: That is, of course, if Jacob Rees-Bottlejob has the guts to do it. he doesn't. it's career suicide. he won't forgo his position and pay-cheque for a dead principle.
Guest Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: We'll see. That isn't good enough. You're a cheerleader for leave on here. What's the plan? You keep saying hard Brexit is a good thing so what's the plan of action you've seen thar sets out what will be implemented? What deals would we look to make? What tariffs would we apply? What promises would we make to business to stop them running to Europe? What information do you have to confirm that jaguar won't really stop investing? What secret talks have you had with the CBI where they've admitted they were just fooling around after all? Edited 6 July 2018 by Guest
Webbo Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said: This is Brexit in name only. Now that the Brexiteers in the Cabinet have blinked it’s time for the ERG group to vote down the Goverment’s white paper along with the Labour Party bringing Theresa May’s government down. That is, of course, if Jacob Rees-Bottlejob has the guts to do it. It might come to that.
lifted*fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 Just now, toddybad said: What penises would we make to business to stop them running to Europe? maybe that's the answer. a booming sex toy industry to replace airbus, etc.
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: That isn't good enough. You're a cheerleader for leave on here. What's the plan? You keep saying hard Brexit is a good thing so what's the plan of action you've seen thar sets out what will be implemented? What deals would we look to make? What tariffs would we apply? What penises would we make to business to stop them running to Europe? What information do you have to confirm that jaguar won't really stop investing? What secret talks have you had with the CBI where they've admitted they were just fooling around after all? I beg your pardon.
lifted*fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: It might come to that. rees-mogg isn't your superman in waiting. another spineless toff who's gonna fade into obscurity now TM has told him to put a sock in it.
Guest Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 5 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: This is Brexit in name only. Now that the Brexiteers in the Cabinet have blinked it’s time for the ERG group to vote down the Goverment’s white paper along with the Labour Party bringing Theresa May’s government down. That is, of course, if Jacob Rees-Bottlejob has the guts to do it. The 60 MPs in the ERG won't bring down the government. I don't most of them have the bottle to try. They're like Twitter shiesters who'll say anything anonymously but wouldn't dare stick their head above the parapet in real life.
Webbo Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: That isn't good enough. You're a cheerleader for leave on here. What's the plan? You keep saying hard Brexit is a good thing so what's the plan of action you've seen thar sets out what will be implemented? What deals would we look to make? What tariffs would we apply? What penises would we make to business to stop them running to Europe? What information do you have to confirm that jaguar won't really stop investing? What secret talks have you had with the CBI where they've admitted they were just fooling around after all? Is that a Freudian slip? Toddy, let me explain something to you. I'm not personally responsible for brexit, I have just 1 vote every election just like everyone else. I can't no more tell you what going to happen than anyone else.
lifted*fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Toddy, let me explain something to you. I'm not personally responsible for brexit,
Guest Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Is that a Freudian slip? Toddy, let me explain something to you. I'm not personally responsible for brexit, I have just 1 vote every election just like everyone else. I can't no more tell you what going to happen than anyone else. You.told me off for voting for a labour party who's finances you said didn't stack up. Yet you voted for something that had no plan at all attached to it. Fool.
Webbo Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 Just now, toddybad said: You.told me off for voting for a labour party who's finances you said didn't stack up. Yet you voted for something that had no plan at all attached to it. Fool. You still lost the referendum.
Guest Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 1 minute ago, Webbo said: You still lost the referendum. Wtf You really aren't as good at trolling as dear old strokes
Heathrow fox Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 Freedom of movement is the biggy for me.If you want to see the EU in all it’s glory then come to London.Five and Six families to a house.Eastern Europeans camping in woods.Wages kept low rents sky high.Groups of Romanians waiting outside Wickes hoping for a days work.The good old race to the bottom. yet this never gets reported.Meanwhile the youth of Central and Eastern Europe head west leaving their economies weakened.Germany just laughs as it gets richer.More people in the job market = lower wages what’s so hard to understand about that.
Guest Posted 6 July 2018 Posted 6 July 2018 22 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said: Freedom of movement is the biggy for me.If you want to see the EU in all it’s glory then come to London.Five and Six families to a house.Eastern Europeans camping in woods.Wages kept low rents sky high.Groups of Romanians waiting outside Wickes hoping for a days work.The good old race to the bottom. yet this never gets reported.Meanwhile the youth of Central and Eastern Europe head west leaving their economies weakened.Germany just laughs as it gets richer.More people in the job market = lower wages what’s so hard to understand about that. I actually do agree there's an issue but not that we need to leave the EU to fix it.
breadandcheese Posted 7 July 2018 Posted 7 July 2018 I see the problem as our country playing by the rules too much. We may not be allowed to negotiate trade deals under EU rules whilst still a member but we should be ignoring that and doing it so that citizens and business are not playing with an unknown quantity after brexit but can have confidence about trade deals in place. In fact, if we played to our own rules more, the country probably wouldn't have voted for brexit and we wouldn't have this whole silly situation. You see it across Europe with other countries pushing their own agenda first and not following all EU rules to the letter. In my line of work, we have common environmental and health and safety standards throughout the EU. Yet travel around Europe and see the difference in implementation. It is not the same. Look at the Schengen agreement. France has imposed border controls. Germany is now closing its Southern border to non EU immigrants. Austria will follow suit. Italy doing it's own thing. There's a lesson in there somewhere that we shouldn't follow everything to the letter if othera in the same club don't.
leicsmac Posted 7 July 2018 Posted 7 July 2018 59 minutes ago, breadandcheese said: I see the problem as our country playing by the rules too much. We may not be allowed to negotiate trade deals under EU rules whilst still a member but we should be ignoring that and doing it so that citizens and business are not playing with an unknown quantity after brexit but can have confidence about trade deals in place. In fact, if we played to our own rules more, the country probably wouldn't have voted for brexit and we wouldn't have this whole silly situation. You see it across Europe with other countries pushing their own agenda first and not following all EU rules to the letter. In my line of work, we have common environmental and health and safety standards throughout the EU. Yet travel around Europe and see the difference in implementation. It is not the same. Look at the Schengen agreement. France has imposed border controls. Germany is now closing its Southern border to non EU immigrants. Austria will follow suit. Italy doing it's own thing. There's a lesson in there somewhere that we shouldn't follow everything to the letter if othera in the same club don't. While I agree with the sentiment that it's unfair that other countries are not playing by the rules where the UK are, most of European history has been full of various nations (and before that regions) playing by their own rules and pushing their own agenda. The UK, for instance, were spectacularly good at it in the 19th Century. ....was that really a good thing for a lot of people in a lot of places? When other countries break the rules, that's a fault of enforcement, not that the UK should be breaking them too to level the playing field IMO.
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