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Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 Last chance of Boris staging his coup?Seems possible. He won't be missed mind, great fun but been such an embarrassment at times for the government. May still has some work to do to get this deal through the house, Rees-Mogg was quite clear again earlier that the ERG will vote down anything that keeps us in the single market or the customs union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 3 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: The term "people's vote" does make me chuckle. Who do they think voted in the first referendum? Space Mutants and Ninja Turtles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: Last chance of Boris staging his coup?Seems possible. what's he gonna do, gather together all the hard-brexiters and get them to follow his idea of doing... absolutely nothing? he hasn't got a clue how to deliver a hard brexit and neither does mogg. this is them running away. it's all been hot air and now there's no puff left - they don't have any solid framework for a hard brexit, the game is up. they've been found out and they're scuttling off into hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: The term "people's vote" does make me chuckle. Who do they think voted in the first referendum? Space Mutants and Ninja Turtles? forget the hash-tag, the sentiment of the tweet is still true. why do oafish pig ****ers like Davis and Johnson get to walk away from this pathetic shit-show yet the public who have to live with it don't get that opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 Just now, lifted*fox said: What's he gonna do, gather together all the hard-brexiters and get them to follow his idea of doing... absolutely nothing? he hasn't got a clue how to deliver a hard brexit and neither does mogg. this is them running away. it's all been hot air and now there's no puff left - they don't have any solid framework for a hard brexit, the game is up. they've been found out and they're scuttling off into hiding. What he have done? Stay and pursue a Brexit he doesn't believe in? He'd be criticised just as much. Sorry but that's just not going to happen. As I've mentioned a few times, their doesn't appear to be a parliamentary majority for a hard or a soft Brexit and it was only thanks to Corbyn that the government got away with the Lords CU amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 1 minute ago, lifted*fox said: forget the hash-tag, the sentiment of the tweet is still true. why do oafish pig ****ers like Davis and Johnson get to walk away from this pathetic shit-show yet the public who have to live with it don't get that opportunity? Sorry but this complete nonsense. They have resigned because they can't support it, they will take part in the final vote on it. Should Robin Cook have been forced to stay in the cabinet and gone along with the Iraq war? Of course they can resign if they don't want or feel they can't be part of collective responsibility on important government policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: What he have done? Stay and pursue a Brexit he doesn't believe in? He'd be criticised just as much. Sorry but that's just not going to happen. As I've mentioned a few times, their doesn't appear to be a parliamentary majority for a hard or a soft Brexit and it was only thanks to Corbyn that the government got away with the Lords CU amendment. so how does him leaving give any chance of a coup then? it doesn't. you're clinging onto the last remnants of a daydream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 David "easiest deal in history" Davis and Boris "fvck business" Johnson have realised brexit will make everyone worse off, theyve got absolutely no plans for any issue and never did have, and dont want to be the ones carrying the can when everyone can see how shit it is. If part of your brexit ideology is to believe these people resigned in dignity and principle that they couldnt make the nation suffer, rather than finding a convenient excuse to run to the hills, then thats as much your prerogative as reading made up numbers on the side of a bus. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 A couple of serious questions I'd like to check my understanding of, if any politics nerds would be so obliging as to confirm, @MattP? - Am I right in thinking that voting for the Tory leadership is initially among Tory MPs, with the 2 most successful candidates put to party members? There are enough Hard Brexit MPs (48 required?) to force an election. So presumably we could have a scenario where there's a vote among Tory MPs (May v. Hard Brexit MP), which May would presumably win by a large margin. This would then be put to a dwindling party membership with an average age of 97, who all think Attilla the Hun was a pinko socialist Europhile sell-out.....who could then over-rule the Tory MPs and elect JRM or whoever? Like Corbyn v. Lab Mods 2.0. - Am I also right in thinking that if May (or any other Tory leader) loses a confidence vote on the Brexit deal or anything else, that doesn't automatically mean a general election? Constitutionally, the outgoing PM is obliged to advise the Queen whether someone else (in her/his own party or the Opposition) is able to command a parliamentary majority, isn't that right? So, that could be another Tory leader (though who the hell could win the support of Tory Hard Brexiteers and Tory Remainers, I don't know).....or it could be Corbyn, if he could get the Lib Dems, SNP and a few others (possibly even Tory moderates?) onside - presumably only if he guaranteed a Soft Brexit or a second referendum? What a mess! It's been coming for a long time, though. There will presumably also now be hostility within Tory Hard Brexit ranks - between the likes of Gove & Raab who plan to stay on, and Davis, Boris. IDS. JRM and crew who'll rebel.......almost makes Labour look a united, well-disciplined party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Foxin_mad Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: know).....or it could be Corbyn, if he could get the Lib Dems, SNP and a few others (possibly even Tory moderates?) onside - presumably only if he guaranteed a Soft Brexit or a second referendum? I am pretty sure that Comrade Corbyn would rather burn in hell rather than do that?! He has voted against the EU throughout his entire parliamentary life. If he were to change tact now it would show him to be a terribly unprincipled, desperate and pathetic man willing to do anything to get into power. I am not sure that is the look he is going for. The problem for Labour is their leader is more of a brexiteer than anyone in the tory party. He could save the day for Brexit, the economy could get double ****ed at the same time if he gets to power. Awesome. Edited 9 July 2018 by Foxin_mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 Gove next PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 3 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: So how does him leaving give any chance of a coup then? it doesn't. you're clinging onto the last remnants of a daydream. Daydream? He isn't my choice for leader believe me Of course leaving gives him a better chance if launching a coup, every single resignation weakens the PM and increases the likelihood of the number of letters reaching 48 to force the 1922 committee into action. Just now, Alf Bentley said: A couple of serious questions I'd like to check my understanding of, if any politics nerds would be so obliging as to confirm, @MattP? - Am I right in thinking that voting for the Tory leadership is initially among Tory MPs, with the 2 most successful candidates put to party members? There are enough Hard Brexit MPs (48 required?) to force an election. So presumably we could have a scenario where there's a vote among Tory MPs (May v. Hard Brexit MP), which May would presumably win by a large margin. This would then be put to a dwindling party membership with an average age of 97, who all think Attilla the Hun was a pinko socialist Europhile sell-out.....who could then over-rule the Tory MPs and elect JRM or whoever? Like Corbyn v. Lab Mods 2.0. - Am I also right in thinking that if May (or any other Tory leader) loses a confidence vote on the Brexit deal or anything else, that doesn't automatically mean a general election? Constitutionally, the outgoing PM is obliged to advise the Queen whether someone else (in her/his own party or the Opposition) is able to command a parliamentary majority, isn't that right? So, that could be another Tory leader (though who the hell could win the support of Tory Hard Brexiteers and Tory Remainers, I don't know).....or it could be Corbyn, if he could get the Lib Dems, SNP and a few others (possibly even Tory moderates?) onside - presumably only if he guaranteed a Soft Brexit or a second referendum? What a mess! It's been coming for a long time, though. There will presumably also now be hostility within Tory Hard Brexit ranks - between the likes of Gove & Raab who plan to stay on, and Davis, Boris. IDS. JRM and crew who'll rebel.......almost makes Labour look a united, well-disciplined party! Exactly right Alf, MP's then members after Brady gives her the marching orders. Unless we get the same chicanery as last time, worth nothing the tory membership is solidly Eurosceptic so the next Prime Minister is surely going to be a Gove, Johnson or Mogg etc were it come to it. I don't think a vote of confidence means much since the fixed term parliament act was passed regarding elections, Im not sure but I think you are right that she recommends a prime minister to the monarch to take over, which would of course mean the next Tory leader. Not sure how it would reflect the deal with DUP but that's obviously not a problem with the current opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: Gove next PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 Just now, Jon the Hat said: Gove next PM anyone who wants that rubber faced cvnt as PM needs their fvcking head checking. clearly someone who's been bullied his entire life and can't wait to take it out on everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Gove next PM That's where the smart money is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hundreds Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Gove next PM No chance can he win an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 Just now, Bobby Hundreds said: No chance can he win an election. He’ll be a National ****ing hero after he carries us through Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 1 minute ago, Bobby Hundreds said: No chance can he win an election. Why would he need to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hundreds Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 Just now, MattP said: Why would he need to? That's kind of the point of politics mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 Just now, Bobby Hundreds said: No chance can he win an election. People said that about Corbyn the cvnt though, now drugged up ****ers are going around singing his name, wearing t-shirts with his face on and sputtering some nonsense about wealth redistribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 Just now, Bobby Hundreds said: That's kind of the point of politics mate. Not at the minute, the next election isn't until 2022. Even so, could he really fight a worse campaign than May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifted*fox Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 (edited) nobody voted TM into government. the tories like to do whatever they feel like, whenever they want. can't get a majority? bribe the DUP with taxpayer money. as long as they manage to cling onto power they make the rest up as they go along, papering over cracks, covering up evidence. party of criminals. Edited 9 July 2018 by lifted*fox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted 9 July 2018 Share Posted 9 July 2018 23 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: This Rupert hasn’t really thought this through, has he? People vote by a majority to leave EU. Establishment don’t want it to happen and do everything they can to scupper it. Remainer (May) in charge of leaving process. People who are trying to implement the referendum majority vote decide enough is enough. May will be gone and Leave politicians will take charge. Its a good thing and long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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