Guest Col city fan Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 21 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: No way would I sell. I like the guy and believe he will come good. 22 years old, well worth the patience required. Even I wouldn't sell him. Someone must have seen a player in there somewhere? Id loan him, and then see
Tuna Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 Loan him out for the season, see if he can gain some confidence from playing week in week out and see how he does. He may come back a better player and we can see why we signed him in the first place.
WigstonWanderer Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 Seems to have a really good attitude, doesn't sulk, happy to come in as needed.
dominicmsb Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 I really like him as a CB. Can't believe he's not had a chance to prove himself there.
Clever Fox Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: Even I wouldn't sell him. Someone must have seen a player in there somewhere? Id loan him, and then see God, you are mellowing Col, Giving someone a chance to develop. I guess there's hope for you yet. I've studied him a bit and his biggest problem is he doesn't know the game and he loses concentration. Which is probably why he's not been risked at CB. He needs one to one Coaching and someone needs to sit with him and go through passages of play videos. I can assure you the more he learns and understands the game the better he'll get as he has everything else.
weller54 Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 14 minutes ago, Mee-9 said: Don't understand what people see in him. Me neither! So average, and awful as a midfielder... Definitely not a RB... Has to concentrate on becoming a CB and not so sure he'll be great in that position either. Get rid!
ZeGuy Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 16 hours ago, filbertway said: He's not really versatile. Being shoved in different positions as a plug doesn't make you a versatile footballer. James Milner is versatile, he can actually fill a fair few positions to a good standard. Yeah he's a plug. People are eager to sell players but we're not linked with many. The window could close with no further signing (which would a shame).
MC Prussian Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 Stuttgart are closing in on signing Argentinian central defensive midfielder Santiago Ascacibar from Estudiantes for roughly 7 million Euro (£6.4m). Which means Amartey won't move there.
Guest Posted 19 August 2017 Posted 19 August 2017 6 hours ago, weller54 said: What do you charge for a spare room? For him it's free
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 On 19/08/2017 at 12:44, Clever Fox said: God, you are mellowing Col, Giving someone a chance to develop. I guess there's hope for you yet. I've studied him a bit and his biggest problem is he doesn't know the game and he loses concentration. Which is probably why he's not been risked at CB. He needs one to one Coaching and someone needs to sit with him and go through passages of play videos. I can assure you the more he learns and understands the game the better he'll get as he has everything else. Having watched him play I don't doubt what you say. The question needs to asked;how can someone who needs one to one coaching to understand the game get a contract and play football in the PL? It totally beggars belief how technically poor some professional players are.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 2 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Having watched him play I don't doubt what you say. The question needs to asked;how can someone who needs one to one coaching to understand the game get a contract and play football in the PL? It totally beggars belief how technically poor some professional players are, and serious questions should be asked over his purchase.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 On 19/08/2017 at 13:29, MC Prussian said: Stuttgart are closing in on signing Argentinian central defensive midfielder Santiago Ascacibar from Estudiantes for roughly 7 million Euro (£6.4m). Which means Amartey won't move there. Shit.
mod hero Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 On 19/08/2017 at 11:45, dominicmsb said: I really like him as a CB. Can't believe he's not had a chance to prove himself there. This is what I don't get about some folk on here, why do people like him at CB? How many times has he played there for us? I can think of 1 maybe 2 times and one of those was a friendly. "But he played there for Ghana" dont pretend you watched the AFCON. The only thing he's got on his side is age. He's only 22 but I've seen nothing to suggest he can do anything that well, except maybe the games against Porto and Swansea where he looked quite good. Loan
sphericalfox Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 He's not first team, yet can play various positions as a cover utility man? Albeit not at 1st team standard. Yeah, what the shit do we need cover for? Get rid! Blah! Blah! Bleurgh!
AKCJ Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 On 19/08/2017 at 10:25, BenTheFox said: I meant in his case. Ji Sung Park was another example of a good utility player while we're at it. Ju Sung Park played for Manchester United during one of their most successful periods ever, James Milner played for Man City and Liverpool during some of their most successful periods in the Premier League era. They're two of the best utility players to have played in the division, I genuinely don't know what sort of player some fans think should come and sit on our bench. Amartey comes off it, does a sound job wherever he's asked and then happily sits on it the following week. I guarantee that Shakespeare won't let him go without a fight.
Clever Fox Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Having watched him play I don't doubt what you say. The question needs to asked;how can someone who needs one to one coaching to understand the game get a contract and play football in the PL? It totally beggars belief how technically poor some professional players are. Because Clubs buy potential all the time in an attempt to save money. He has all the attributes you look for in a player, Agility, strength, pace, power. Clubs believe if they can find players with these attributes they can polish and mold them into the finished article. One to one Coaching at all clubs is not unique. It happens all the time where coaches decide someone needs help with an aspect of their game. At our own Club Kasper is an example. In his first 2 to 3 years he was afraid to come off his line for crosses or preferring to punch. Now he's quite comfortable to come for crosses and hold onto the Ball. Someone at the Club helped him achieve that confidence. in Amarteys case he got where he is playing CB where he didn't have to move too far. Now he's been asked to play in positions alien to him and is a little lost. If we can get him to improve his concentration and decision making he'll be a good player. To do that we need to improve his understanding of the game. Some players pick things up quickly others take a lot longer. He looks like a slow learner.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 That's all well and good, but my point remains. I struggle to see how this guy and a good many others, are PL professional footballers without the basic ability to control a football and have the spatial awareness and positional sense required to play the game. Hes not a 12yo, yet you seem happy that we have to improve his decision making? His problem I don't think is that; it's the fact that he more often than not seems to be in need of an instruction manual firstly to control the ball, and then he must turn the page for the passing section. If these basic things are not natural by age 17 at the latest I would suggest you are on a rocker. Its a joke; you certainly would not see these characters being taken to La Liga, and I see no place for him here either.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 6 hours ago, AKCJ said: Ju Sung Park played for Manchester United during one of their most successful periods ever, James Milner played for Man City and Liverpool during some of their most successful periods in the Premier League era. They're two of the best utility players to have played in the division, I genuinely don't know what sort of player some fans think should come and sit on our bench. Amartey comes off it, does a sound job wherever he's asked and then happily sits on it the following week. I guarantee that Shakespeare won't let him go without a fight. Nonsense. He is a poor player - nowhere near PL level. A team in this day an age needs players that fulfil specific functions within the team. He is simply not good enough. I challenge you to provide any empirical evidence to suggest that Amartey is of PL quality.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 No need to sell. Still a young player who will develop. Can slot into various positions. Not nailed down one yet. Staggered to think people are keen to offload him.
HoustonFox Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 6 hours ago, AKCJ said: Ju Sung Park played for Manchester United during one of their most successful periods ever, James Milner played for Man City and Liverpool during some of their most successful periods in the Premier League era. They're two of the best utility players to have played in the division, I genuinely don't know what sort of player some fans think should come and sit on our bench. Amartey comes off it, does a sound job wherever he's asked and then happily sits on it the following week. I guarantee that Shakespeare won't let him go without a fight. Zabaleta Amartey is another one for me, like Demarai, who is stuck in that inbetween world of not starting XI but too good or not picked for the U23s. This is where reserve team football is missing for me. Good players need mins to get a rhythm and get their mentality right for games. It's tough to judge Amartey as we don't see him except in certain circumstances and he hasn't had a chance to get a groove on. CB is really tough to just pick up, for me, other than GK, it's the most mentally taxing position where you can't just run yourself into the game. Mistakes cost goals and you can't do much to make up for it, which is why I don't see him there yet. Not sure his midfield position yet either. Against Arsenal, I didn't see him as the screener or destroyer. Not sure if that was tactics or lack of discipline / awareness on his part. At Copenhagen, he seemed to be a B2B mid, a lot like a Wilf. Sorry, wrote more than I meant to there!
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 7 hours ago, mod hero said: This is what I don't get about some folk on here, why do people like him at CB? How many times has he played there for us? I can think of 1 maybe 2 times and one of those was a friendly. "But he played there for Ghana" dont pretend you watched the AFCON. The only thing he's got on his side is age. He's only 22 but I've seen nothing to suggest he can do anything that well, except maybe the games against Porto and Swansea where he looked quite good. Loan I do watch the AFCON and I can tell you now, anybody who uses that as a barometer for how good a player is, is barking up the wrong fooking tree. A truly awful standard of football that sometimes borders on the ridiculous. For us, Amartey has done next to nothing. One good game against Swansea at home last year and the equaliser against Stoke. Apart from that he's been inept to say the least. Personally, I don't think his age is a factor to be considered when talking about his potential. He's not 17. At 22, it should be clear what position is his best, what his main attributes are and there should be a vision of where he'll fit into the first 11 and take us forward as a team. He ticks none of those boxes. I'm sure that when the scouts saw him play in Denmark, he showed qualities that put him on the want list, but unfortunately, there are absolutely no signs that whatever those qualities are, can be replicated in the top tier of English football. The argument that he can fill a number of positions as a utility man is fair enough, however he doesn't fill any of them particularly well so if there is an offer on the table to sell, I think we should take it as to me, he's a waste of a place in the squad.
AKCJ Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 3 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Nonsense. He is a poor player - nowhere near PL level. A team in this day an age needs players that fulfil specific functions within the team. He is simply not good enough. I challenge you to provide any empirical evidence to suggest that Amartey is of PL quality. Just off the top of my head, his three standout games for us last season. Generally rated as MOTM/2nd in each. Of course we'd like him to do it more often but he's still a fairly young lad.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 8 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: I do watch the AFCON and I can tell you now, anybody who uses that as a barometer for how good a player is, is barking up the wrong fooking tree. A truly awful standard of football that sometimes borders on the ridiculous. For us, Amartey has done next to nothing. One good game against Swansea at home last year and the equaliser against Stoke. Apart from that he's been inept to say the least. Personally, I don't think his age is a factor to be considered when talking about his potential. He's not 17. At 22, it should be clear what position is his best, what his main attributes are and there should be a vision of where he'll fit into the first 11 and take us forward as a team. He ticks none of those boxes. I'm sure that when the scouts saw him play in Denmark, he showed qualities that put him on the want list, but unfortunately, there are absolutely no signs that whatever those qualities are, can be replicated in the top tier of English football. The argument that he can fill a number of positions as a utility man is fair enough, however he doesn't fill any of them particularly well so if there is an offer on the table to sell, I think we should take it as to me, he's a waste of a place in the squad. Correct.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 21 August 2017 Posted 21 August 2017 Sorry show some statistical evidence. I will grant you the Swansea game - he did well. The rest of what you have displayed; Come alive. Scoring a header (as against Stoke) no more proves he is of PL quality, than it proves he is a space alien. ?
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