FIFA reject Adrien Silva appeal

[foxinsocks]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

 

 

 

By Nick Wright and Rob Dorsett

Last Updated: 15/10/17 1:19pm

 

 

Leicester will once again be without Adrien Silva when they face West Brom on Monday Night Football.

The Portuguese midfielder has been unable to register for the club after a dispute with FIFA surrounding his £22m move from Sporting Lisbon on Deadline Day.

So what exactly went wrong? And what happens next? We take a look with help fromSky Sports News reporter Rob Dorsett.

What happened?

On Deadline Day, as Chelsea stepped up their efforts to sign Danny Drinkwater, Leicester attempted to bring in Silva from Sporting Lisbon as a replacement. Chelsea confirmed the arrival of Drinkwater shortly after the deadline, but Leicester's brief statement on Silva said the transfer was still "subject to international clearance approval".

Leicester had agreed a £22m deal with Sporting and the player had completed a medical at their training ground, but FIFA claimed the Foxes had missed the Transfer Matching System registration deadline by 14 seconds. The decision left Silva in limbo, unable to even train at Leicester, with Sporting demanding payment for a deal they considered to be done.

How did Leicester react?

Leicester have already gone to great lengths to dispute FIFA's decision, formulating an appeal as soon as the transfer was rejected. "Leicester are adamant they sent all the necessary paperwork via FIFA's secure intranet system before the midnight deadline," explains Dorsett.

"They secured an hour extension to the original 11pm deadline because they were still waiting for some essential documents to be sent over from Sporting Lisbon, and I've been told the club have employed forensic IT experts to extract proof from the club's IT systems to show that all the documents were uploaded by them before midnight."

FIFA rejected their appeal on October 4, however. "FIFA say the documents were downloaded onto their computers 14 seconds after the midnight deadline," says Dorsett. "As such, they cannot bend their rules to allow Silva's registration to proceed.

"The way it was explained to me was by comparing the system to when we send an email; the recipient does not receive that email the moment it was sent, there is an IT delay between sender and recipient. So it was with the Silva paperwork. Leicester believe there is ambiguity in the FIFA law regarding the deadline. They say they met the necessary criteria for registration to be accepted."

But FIFA have been unmoved.

Is there any chance Leicester could reverse the decision?

Leicester's only remaining options are to take their protests to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, attempt to cancel the transfer - something Sporting say they would fight legally - or wait until the transfer window re-opens on January 1 to formally complete the deal.

"Leicester are still considering whether to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport," says Dorsett. "I understand they are confident that they would win an appeal, on the advice of lawyers, but the issue for the club and for the player is how long it may take for CAS to hear their case.

"The current feeling at the club is that an appeal wouldn't be heard before the New Year, when the transfer window will be open and they would be able to register Silva anyway. So it may be a fruitless process. If they are advised that the case can be fast-tracked, and that Silva may be freed up to play sooner than January, then they will appeal.

"However, Leicester officials feel wronged by this whole situation, and they don't like the fact that they are being criticised by some fans for a problem which they are adamant is not of their making.

 

"Also, were they to win a case at CAS, they would be entitled to pursue a case for compensation against FIFA, which could be significant since Leicester are now paying wages to a player they cannot use in any competitive matches for a three-month period.

"These are all issues that Leicester's bosses are considering before making a decision."

How has Silva taken it?

"By all accounts, he is devastated," says Dorsett. "Silva was very keen on a move to the Premier League, and to Leicester in particular, where he expected to get a lot of game time.

"He is now in a situation where he can't play for Leicester until January 1, but he isn't allowed to return to Sporting Lisbon either, because they have been adamant that the transfer is binding, and that he is now a Leicester player."

 

Is he able to train?

"When he was in limbo, awaiting the FIFA decision on his registration, he wasn't allowed to train with Leicester," says Dorsett. "To maintain what fitness levels he had, Silva was working with his brother and a personal instructor, mainly in Leicester, so that he would be ready to go if a favourable decision came back from football's governing body.

"Many people have asked me why Diego Costa was allowed to train with his new team, even though he is in a similar position to Silva, having moved to Atletico Madrid despite not being registered until January. The difference is there was a potential dispute between Sporting and Leicester about who owns the player, whereas Chelsea and Atletico both agreed on Costa's move.

"Most English transfers are made 'subject to international clearance' and the necessary registrations, so it was in Leicester's power to claim the Silva deal was dead, pay no money to Sporting, and send him back.

 

"However, Craig Shakespeare wants the player, admires him greatly, and needs a midfielder of his quality to replace Drinkwater. Leicester would've attempted to sign him again in January anyway. So having decided to accept he is their player, Leicester are now allowed to include him in first-team training, which they have been doing for two weeks.

"Silva has moved to England permanently and is starting to acclimatise. The only good news on this, from a Leicester perspective, is that by the time they can play Silva in January, he will have had plenty of time to get settled in to the club, know and train with his team-mates and manager Craig Shakespeare, and be fit and ready for action."

But this account is incomplete.  As I understood it LCFC had to send the stuff to the fa who did the confirmation on TMS... is this true?  If so there was ample opportunity for LCFC to be compliant and the FA to stuff it up... e.g.  if it arrived at the FA1 second before  midnight then the fa would definitely stuff up.

 

Whatever, I thought it was the FAthat reported to FIFA  that LCFC was14s late and that the registration therefore failed; and so FIFA were just ratifying the FA's stance.  Is this true? (hence why the FA recently asked FIFA to change the decision it had early asked for.

 

Finally, if the CAS has a process that make take time (e.g more than 1 week) then surely silva can seek an injunction to prevent FIFA form stopping him playing in the meanwhile.  Is this being considered?

[davieG]

5 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

If I was a player and Leicester came in for me then I would want them t indemnify me against any repeat of this situation - even if it is not Leicester's fault, the fact that they were willing to risk the player's status by flirting with the deadline shows a lack of consideration to the player.  This farce will leave some mud sticking to lcfc however the rulings go

There's plenty of incidents where a transfer collapse at the last seconds it just so happens we took it slightly further and judging from the reports we were within our rights because we did it on time.

[davieG]

1 minute ago, foxinsocks said:

But this account is incomplete.  As I understood it LCFC had to send the stuff to the fa who did the confirmation on TMS... is this true?  If so there was ample opportunity for LCFC to be compliant and the FA to stuff it up... e.g.  if it arrived at the FA1 second before  midnight then the fa would definitely stuff up.

 

Whatever, I thought it was the FAthat reported to FIFA  that LCFC was14s late and that the registration therefore failed; and so FIFA were just ratifying the FA's stance.  Is this true? (hence why the FA recently asked FIFA to change the decision it had early asked for.

 

Finally, if the CAS has a process that make take time (e.g more than 1 week) then surely silva can seek an injunction to prevent FIFA form stopping him playing in the meanwhile.  Is this being considered?

Sounds to me like the FA messed it up and by backing LCFC were trying to correct their wrong.

[foxinsocks]

Just now, davieG said:

There's plenty of incidents where a transfer collapse at the last seconds it just so happens we took it slightly further and judging from the reports we were within our rights because we did it on time.

I agree that this can happen (- although I believe these transaction should be atomic so either it goes through or it fails - no limbo).  My point is I would not do business with a rabble who allowed this sort of thing to be even a possibility.

[davieG]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

I agree that this can happen (- although I believe these transaction should be atomic so either it goes through or it fails - no limbo).  My point is I would not do business with a rabble who allowed this sort of thing to be even a possibility.

Unfortunately you have to go through the FA and FIFA

[foxinsocks]

Just now, davieG said:

Unfortunately you have to go through the FA and FIFA

I mean I would want to work with a club that didn't risk it by doing this sooooo last minute

[davieG]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

I mean I would want to work with a club that didn't risk it by doing this sooooo last minute

It happens at every club, it's the nature of the beast. It was last minute because that's the way negotiations work.

 

[HybridFox]

If anything, at least going to CAS will stand up to FIFA and get some compensation. Rather than waiting till Jan, effectively letting FIFA do what they want.

[Foxy-Lady]

36 minutes ago, davieG said:

It happens at every club, it's the nature of the beast. It was last minute because that's the way negotiations work.

 

Thats NOT necessarily the way negotiations work.  Thats only the way negotiations work if you choose to negotiate in that 11th hour manner and then choose to haggle/barter over every £.

Plenty of clubs manage to finish their transfer business long before the transfer deadline to avoid any last-minute crisis management issues (example being Man.Utd who said they had concluded their key activites by mid-Aug)

[davieG]

5 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

Thats NOT necessarily the way negotiations work.  Thats only the way negotiations work if you choose to negotiate in that 11th hour manner and then choose to haggle/barter over every £.

Plenty of clubs manage to finish their transfer business long before the transfer deadline to avoid any last-minute crisis management issues (example being Man.Utd who said they had concluded their key activites by mid-Aug)

Maybe I should have said that's the way some negotiations work.

 

It does if the other club involved chooses to play brinkmanship. It's not always down to you to control the timing.

 

Sporting have reputation for being awkward and Chelsea came in late due to Barkley rejecting them at a late stage.

[foxinsocks]

4 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well it does if the other club involved chooses to play brinkmanship. It's not always down to you to control the timing.

 

Sporting have reputation for being awkward and Chelsea came in late due to Barkley rejecting them at a late stage.

We can say no.

Point is... if i was a player i would not go to a club if it couldn't be sorted in reasonable time. ... my worry here is that this mess will not reflect well on us even though the fault was somewhere else. ... we allowed it to happen 

Silva situation is a lesson to all

[Foxy-Lady]

3 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well it does if the other club involved chooses to play brinkmanship. It's not always down to you to control the timing.

but how do you know it was "the other club" that was playing brinkmanship and not us...?!?

 

I have a real concern over the Mahrez transfer situation in that no other club seems to share our valuation of the player (£45m) after last seasons poor form and yet we rejected the highest bid received of £38m from Roma.  If we failed to attract an offer >£40m in August, what price are we likley to be offered in January after 3 further months of playing poorly and potentially sitting on our bench.....not to mention the way it imbalances the rest of the team and the Gray situation?

 

I might be wrong but sometimes, playing hard-ball in negotiations is not in the longer-term interests of all parties but merely serves personal ego and agenda of a few...!

[davieG]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

We can say no.

Point is... if i was a player i would not go to a club if it couldn't be sorted in reasonable time. ... my worry here is that this mess will not reflect well on us even though the fault was somewhere else. ... we allowed it to happen 

Silva situation is a lesson to all

Say no to who, Chelsea, Sporting c;lubs are trying to get the best deal for themselves that creates all sorts of tactics it's not as simple as to say no.

[foxinsocks]

9 minutes ago, davieG said:

Say no to who, Chelsea, Sporting c;lubs are trying to get the best deal for themselves that creates all sorts of tactics it's not as simple as to say no.

My point is we have egg on our face and i worry it will have an impact.  I accept all you say...it's life and it's unfair etc... but we still have the egg. 

I tell the kids to stay out of trouble and stay away from the neighbourhood of trouble (post cide?)

[davieG]

1 minute ago, Foxy-Lady said:

but how do you know it was "the other club" that was playing brinkmanship and not us...?!?

 

I have a real concern over the Mahrez transfer situation in that no other club seems to share our valuation of the player (£45m) after last seasons poor form and yet we rejected the highest bid received of £38m from Roma.  If we failed to attract an offer >£40m in August, what price are we likley to be offered in January after 3 further months of playing poorly and potentially sitting on our bench.....not to mention the way it imbalances the rest of the team and the Gray situation?

 

I might be wrong but sometimes, playing hard-ball in negotiations is not in the longer-term interests of all parties but merely serves personal ego and agenda of a few...!

I never said it wasn't us I'm sure we had a role in it. All I'm pointing out is that negotiations are complex and involve all sorts of tactics to get the best deal and end up with a compromise.

 

i'm not talking about the facts of this situation or any other like Mahrez as I don't know the details and neither does anyone else despite talking as if they do. Having spent quite some time in business negotiations I understand that it can be complex, drawn out, going to the brink,soul destroying and exhausting. So I'm I only suggesting thoughts as to why it may not have been possible for it to be as simple as some like to think it should be.

 

[mozartfox]

"However, Leicester officials feel wronged by this whole situation, and they don't like the fact that they are being criticised by some fans for a problem which they are adamant is not of their making.

 

Well if the said Leicester Officials are 100% innocent, why not spill the beans?    If the Club are saying they have done everything within FIFA's rules, why doesn't the press take this up and show FIFA out to be what they are?    

[yorkie1999]

3 hours ago, mozartfox said:

"However, Leicester officials feel wronged by this whole situation, and they don't like the fact that they are being criticised by some fans for a problem which they are adamant is not of their making.

 

Well if the said Leicester Officials are 100% innocent, why not spill the beans?    If the Club are saying they have done everything within FIFA's rules, why doesn't the press take this up and show FIFA out to be what they are?    

It’s a bit like when you watch one of those programs where the judge fines someone £50 and then they argue and the judge fines them £100 etc

[justfoxes]

I hear the club has a Plan A B C D E & F according to Shakeys interview, so I’m wondering which one is shoving a Bomb up FIFA’s Arse and daubing “FIFA ARE INCOMPETENT CORRUPT CNUTS “ on their main doors of the head office in Zurich ??? ???

[davieG]

Leicester City plan series of Adrien Silva behind-closed-doors friendlies

Bid to have £22m signing match fit by the time his registration is completed in January

 

Mark Clayton

22:50, 16 OCT 2017

 

 

Leicester City boss Craig Shakespeare says it is important midfielder Adrien Silva is integrated quickly into his squad, despite the midfielder being unable to play until January.

The Portugal international cannot play any official fixtures while FIFA retain his registration.

However, Silva is now able to train with his new team-mates and City will try to keep him as fit as possible while they consider whether to take his case to the Court for Arbitration in Sport.

City will go to CAS if they can get the case fast-tracked but would need the co-operation of FIFA to do so.

 

Manager Craig Shakespeare said it was important to ensure Silva was fully integrated regardless of events off the field.

City are set to arrange a series of behind closed-doors friendlies to ensure Silva is close to match ready when his registration is granted.

“It’s been good to have Adrien Silva training with us,” said Shakespeare in his match-day magazine notes for last night’s 1-1 draw with West Brom at the King Power Stadium.

“Clearly, there is still a situation to resolve, but it’s good for everyone that he’s now able to train as it helps him to properly integrate into the group.”

[foxinsocks]

Why arent we fighting this tooth and nail?

 

No more sucking this up

[mozartfox]

17 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Why arent we fighting this tooth and nail?

 

No more sucking this up

May be, just may be, we are not whiter than white afterall.................................................

[foxinsocks]

32 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

May be, just may be, we are not whiter than white afterall.................................................

Maybe. ... but even if we are bang to rights guilty the impact is not proprtionate 

The club should publish what they have

[mozartfox]

27 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Maybe. ... but even if we are bang to rights guilty the impact is not proprtionate 

The club should publish what they have

I agree but this may mean some dirty washing is exposed.

[davieG]

1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

Maybe. ... but even if we are bang to rights guilty the impact is not proprtionate 

The club should publish what they have

If we want to go to CAS and it would seem our only option then we need the cooperation of FIFA so stirring the shit up is not going to help that.

 

I would presume we're in talks with CAS, FIFA and the FA to see if an appeal to CAS can be fast tracked otherwise we're wasting everyone's time and raising hopes unnecessarily.

[weller54]

Anyone know if Silva played in the game against Florist (behind closed doors) on Tuesday morning?