The dead cat bounce

[fleckneymike]

Following Shakespeare's appointment we experienced our dead cat bounce, 7 straight wins in all competitions. Since Sunday April 9th, Everton away, we've played 16 league games and taken 14 points. We've won 3, drawn 5, lost 8.

 

 

Shakespeare hasn't turned anything around. He's fixed nothing. We are no better. We've been out though and out fought by virtually every side we've faced.  We mistook a temporary resurgence as signs of tactical nous and organisation yet with hindsight he changed nothing - he tweaked nothing - he's done nothing. We've reverted very quickly into the insipid form of last season. We still doggedly play 442 with player that are now not suited. He talks vaguely of better quality in the final third with no acceptance that we never get into the final third. He's got to go.

 

[Babylon]

We were worse under Ranieri in my view, the footy might be shit be we still haven't lost to anyone who wasn't in last seasons top 7. When Ranieri went we were getting walked over by everyone.

 

A small turn around but not good enough to save him long term unless style improves and everyone can see some progress.

[Beechey]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

We were worse under Ranieri in my view, the footy might be shit be we still haven't lost to anyone who wasn't in last seasons top 7. When Ranieri went we were getting walked over by everyone.

 

A small turn around but not good enough to save him long term unless style improves and everyone can see some progress.

I can't see how people are missing this. Under Ranieri's bad spell we'd press high for 10 minutes, then just drop off totally and concede, from going 1-0 down it was clear we weren't going to win. The one exception to this was Stoke away (2-2), but I'm sure that was more to do with the referee spraying cards around at our players for stuff that really weren't yellow offences.

 

I had absolutely no confidence of us staying up under Ranieri's second season, I don't have that same feeling now, I'm still very confident of us staying up and getting a half decent finish.

[VLC86]

We can argue that we have only lost to top teams this year but you can't argue that we have been very lucky to get points V Huddersfield and Bournemouth while other clubs such add Watford have picked up points against teams they weren't expected to.

 

 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

8 minutes ago, Babylon said:

We were worse under Ranieri in my view, the footy might be shit be we still haven't lost to anyone who wasn't in last seasons top 7. When Ranieri went we were getting walked over by everyone.

 

A small turn around but not good enough to save him long term unless style improves and everyone can see some progress.

What you say is true im terms of no losses outside the top 7, but that is totally more by luck than judgement this season.

 

We were worse last season, but that’s no benchmark for now keeping a manager not seeming to be able to use basic common sense.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

7 minutes ago, Beechey said:

I can't see how people are missing this. Under Ranieri's bad spell we'd press high for 10 minutes, then just drop off totally and concede, from going 1-0 down it was clear we weren't going to win. The one exception to this was Stoke away (2-2), but I'm sure that was more to do with the referee spraying cards around at our players for stuff that really weren't yellow offences.

 

I had absolutely no confidence of us staying up under Ranieri's second season, I don't have that same feeling now, I'm still very confident of us staying up and getting a half decent finish.

Very confident then...Craig.

 

**** me.

[The Doctor]

6 minutes ago, Beechey said:

, I don't have that same feeling now, I'm still very confident of us staying up and getting a half decent finish.

Out of interest, why? I'm looking at a fixture list and cannot see where the next win comes from without serious upheaval in approach. I'm seeing us approach games against relegation candidates, which anyone even targeting survival would earmark as to win, with the intent of nicking a point. Genuinely see a struggle to survive unless Shakespeare sorts himself out or swings soon.

[TrentFox]

Is this an urban myth? Does anyone know for certain if a dead cat does actually bounce? And from what height does it have to be dropped to see that phenomenon? Personally, I think 14 points from sixteen games suggests more of an arthritic cat than a dead one.  

[Gerard]

I never wanted Shakespeare to get the job in the first place but there was plenty on here who couldn't make him permanent quick enough. Our performances since he got the job is textbook new manager bounce syndrome.

 

For me to give him the job he would have to have given an excellent presentation to the board which highlighted his style of play going forward and what sort of players he was looking to shift and bring in to the club. I've no qualms with him reverting to our old style of play when Ranieri got sacked as it was important to get the players playing with some familiarity at that point rather than introducing new methods. It's pretty obvious now that he never had any new ideas of his own and just followed Ranieri's methods.

 

The Tottenham home defeat had alarm bells ringing for me as when we chased the game I couldn't see a method and it seemed a case of just throwing on attacking players and hoping for the best. Bringing Iheanacho on for his debut for James when we were winning 3-2 on 80 mins looked to me that he was always going to bring him on regardless of the game situation. Why on earth take a midfielder off for a forward when it was obvious we were going to be hanging on in the last 10mins as Arsenal would be throwing everything at us. It was far more important to protect what we had than try to score a fourth goal.

 

I thought it was an ideal time to get a new manager in who had no loyalties to the current squad and reinvent ourselves. Instead we tried to rekindle the title winning team by making as few changes as possible. We needed to start afresh after Ranieri and we still do.

[TrentFox]

1 minute ago, Gerard said:

I never wanted Shakespeare to get the job in the first place but there was plenty on here who couldn't make him permanent quick enough. Our performances since he got the job is textbook new manager bounce syndrome.

 

For me to give him the job he would have to have given an excellent presentation to the board which highlighted his style of play going forward and what sort of players he was looking to shift and bring in to the club. I've no qualms with him reverting to our old style of play when Ranieri got sacked as it was important to get the players playing with some familiarity at that point rather than introducing new methods.

 

The Tottenham home defeat had alarm bells ringing for me as when we chased the game I couldn't see a method and it seemed a case of just throwing on attacking players and hoping for the best. Bringing Iheanacho on for his debut for James when we were winning 3-2 on 80 mins looked to me that he was always going to bring him on regardless of the game situation. Why on earth take a midfielder off for a forward when it was obvious we were going to be hanging on in the last 10mins as Arsenal would be throwing everything at us. It was far more important to protect what we had than try to score a fourth goal.

 

I thought it was an ideal time to get a new manager in who had no loyalties to the current squad and reinvent ourselves. Instead we tried to rekindle the title winning team by making as few changes as possible. We needed to start afresh after Ranieri and we still do.

Jeez! Now you're telling me managers bounce! I can't keep up. This is insane. 

[Babylon]

18 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Out of interest, why? I'm looking at a fixture list and cannot see where the next win comes from without serious upheaval in approach. I'm seeing us approach games against relegation candidates, which anyone even targeting survival would earmark as to win, with the intent of nicking a point. Genuinely see a struggle to survive unless Shakespeare sorts himself out or swings soon.

Short term I'd be more worried playing well and not getting points over playing badly and getting points. We've continued to pick up points against "the rest", so I think a small turn around in form could actually see a decent return of points.

 

Under CR barring one win against West Ham we were getting walked over by almost everyone for months on end and were actually getting worse.

 

CS will get the push of results don't improve simple as that, but I don't think it's an impossible task at the moment.

[ajthefox]

I think @fleckneymike should make another thread.

The two legged blind flamingo goalie stand still: Why didn't Schmeichel dive to try and save Chadli's free kick? Answers on a postcard.

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

7 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

I think @fleckneymike should make another thread.

The two legged blind flamingo goalie stand still: Why didn't Schmeichel dive to try and save Chadli's free kick? Answers on a postcard.

 

He took a step to his right to try and second guess Chadli going that way, next. 

[Buce]

8 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

I think @fleckneymike should make another thread.

The two legged blind flamingo goalie stand still: Why didn't Schmeichel dive to try and save Chadli's free kick? Answers on a postcard.

 

 

We tried that approach trying to get Silva registered.

 

Look where that got us...

 

 

 

[Guest BlueBrett]

Getting your cliched football metaphors mixed up. We'd have gone down if it was a 'dead cat bounce'.

[Beechey]

42 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Out of interest, why? I'm looking at a fixture list and cannot see where the next win comes from without serious upheaval in approach. I'm seeing us approach games against relegation candidates, which anyone even targeting survival would earmark as to win, with the intent of nicking a point. Genuinely see a struggle to survive unless Shakespeare sorts himself out or swings soon.

"Very" was probably jumping the gun. I'm still confident of it. We're a player or two away from a great team. We've not been absolutely crushed yet. Look at last season, we were getting banged 2-0, 3-x, 4-x etc on a regular basis, the closest we've had to that was 2-0 Man United away. The team don't collapse like they did last season. That said, I'd like us to change system for sure. We showed urgency and commitment when we went 352 yesterday, something we didn't show for the previous 75 minutes.

 

We do seem far too reactive, and our substitutions are often cripplingly late.

[jonah]

He'll be gone by the start of November 

[yorkie1999]

Saved us from relegation and earnt us another year in the prem and 120 million in the process, you lot are never grateful.