Guest Kopfkino Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 Great memories of Corbyn asking us to send a sample to Russia to check if it was theirs. Jesus ****ing Christ that man.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 33 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Bold move as suspects identities released... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445 I doubt either of these men will be safe now from either their own government or ours. I would think that releasing their identities in effect executes them. Well, they named Andrey Luguvoi as the suspected assassin of Litvinenko years back....and he's ended up in the Russian parliament, hasn't he?
Beechey Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 Of course there is no chance we will ever actually punish them, unsurprisingly the Russian constitution does not allow for the extradition of Russian nationals.
Nick Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 24 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Well, they named Andrey Luguvoi as the suspected assassin of Litvinenko years back....and he's ended up in the Russian parliament, hasn't he? I fear it will be different this time.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said: I fear it will be different this time. Why do you think so? Not saying you're wrong, as I don't know much about Russia or the secret services, I'm just curious. Presumably, our secret services would've been as capable/incapable of bumping off Luguvoi? Do Putin's lot have less interest in protecting these two, or more interest in harming them?
Nick Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 6 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Why do you think so? Not saying you're wrong, as I don't know much about Russia or the secret services, I'm just curious. Presumably, our secret services would've been as capable/incapable of bumping off Luguvoi? Do Putin's lot have less interest in protecting these two, or more interest in harming them? ?
Nick Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 7 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: ? Security Services have identified suspects as GRU Russian Military Intelligence Officers...
Innovindil Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 Personally looking forward to our forum conspiracy loon to get his teeth into this.
leicsmac Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 1 minute ago, Innovindil said: Personally looking forward to our forum conspiracy loon to get his teeth into this. Which one?
Innovindil Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Which one? Can't even remember his name tbh. Was here spouting about how it was all the government's fault and Russia didn't do anything etc etc.
NasPb Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 Now this is fair and clear evidence. No doubt about it now.
leicsmac Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 7 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Can't even remember his name tbh. Was here spouting about how it was all the government's fault and Russia didn't do anything etc etc. Ah yeah, think I remember. I miss Zingari tbh, man had a good nose for conspiracy.
Nick Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 17 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Can't even remember his name tbh. Was here spouting about how it was all the government's fault and Russia didn't do anything etc etc. He's banned at this time. That was the daft rhetoric of gaelic/northfields/EDL nob fox.
ozleicester Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said: Security Services have identified suspects as GRU Russian Military Intelligence Officers... Harsh IMO
Guest MattP Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 5 hours ago, Kopfkino said: Great memories of Corbyn asking us to send a sample to Russia to check if it was theirs. Jesus ****ing Christ that man. My Grandad hoardes a lot of old papers and whilst having a clean and look around the other day I found one from 2016 with his promise of a kinder, gentler politics. I did chuckle. This sort of stuff happening on his watch and the response to it is quite worrying though, we'd be an international joke in no time.
Countryfox Posted 5 September 2018 Posted 5 September 2018 No .. no .. it wasn’t the Ruskies ... it was the Brits !! ... and the Ruskies offered to help ! ... and the Brits said no !! .... and the Brits are manipulating the facts .. and the Ruskies have never heard of these agents !!!! ... What a load of absolute sh1te ! ... I bet Vlad the bad is pissing his pants laughing at this one. I still think we, and those who support us, should not have gone to the World Cup ... I imagine few will agree with that but how we can toddle off and have a nice jolly with that fookin headcase after what he did (send a couple of goons over here to kill people including a British National, on a whim) is beyond me.
Nick Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 14 hours ago, MattP said: My Grandad hoardes a lot of old papers and whilst having a clean and look around the other day I found one from 2016 with his promise of a kinder, gentler politics. I did chuckle. This sort of stuff happening on his watch and the response to it is quite worrying though, we'd be an international joke in no time. We are an international joke now.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 22 hours ago, Kopfkino said: Great memories of Corbyn asking us to send a sample to Russia to check if it was theirs. Jesus ****ing Christ that man. Turns out it's still his position https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-suggests-salisbury-samples-13197694.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Guest MattP Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 6 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: We are an international joke now. We aren't though really are we? We've certainly made an interesting and contentious decision, some think it's great, some think it's mad - we'll find out in twenty or so years whether it was correct, I've met Americans who thnik it is crazy, Australians who think it's fantastic, Germans who think we are daft, Italians who think we are incredible all because of it, but no one sees the UK as a "joke" because of it. Can you think of anyone in the World would seriously consider it a good idea to ask the Russians if they had any involvement in this? Because that could be the position of our next Prime Minister. It was bad enough watching Trump defend the Kremlin over his own security services and even he reversed it, this complete buffoon does it and doubles down. It's what happens when you get a Morning Star reader at the top of a political party.
Nick Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 32 minutes ago, MattP said: We aren't though really are we? We've certainly made an interesting and contentious decision, some think it's great, some think it's mad - we'll find out in twenty or so years whether it was correct, I've met Americans who thnik it is crazy, Australians who think it's fantastic, Germans who think we are daft, Italians who think we are incredible all because of it, but no one sees the UK as a "joke" because of it. Can you think of anyone in the World would seriously consider it a good idea to ask the Russians if they had any involvement in this? Because that could be the position of our next Prime Minister. It was bad enough watching Trump defend the Kremlin over his own security services and even he reversed it, this complete buffoon does it and doubles down. It's what happens when you get a Morning Star reader at the top of a political party. Whilst I agree that Corbyn is currently making a tool of himself (I was embarrassed for him watching his follow up to May yesterday) I do think you jump on anybold bollocks attempting to damn him which doesn’t do a lot for your own credibility in regard to balance and proportionality. Corbyn was always going to try a route of dialogue in the first instance and his pre-written speech was completely undermined by May’s detailed revelations regarding Salisbury as he predictably read out notions of talk and compromise and of back patting people affected and involved in the investigation, which of course May had already covered. When I said we are a joke internationally, I was really (unclearly) eluding to the disaster our situation we find ourselves in right now as a result of the Brexit related decisions since the vote, rather than the vote itself. Because we look like international dicks right now. What is cracking for May right now is Salisbury. It’s her Falkland Islands. “Stop looking over here at this Unicorn (which is actually a donkey with a dildo strapped to its forehead) and let’s all get behind a collectively agreeable injustice and show our strength, solidarity and competence for a bit. It’s no coincidence she wanted to do all of the announcing yesterday of the police and security services progress in the case and it was well, fairly unprecedented that the head of the organisations leading the investigation didn’t get to release the report. Fantastic bit of spin.
Guest MattP Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 26 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Whilst I agree that Corbyn is currently making a tool of himself (I was embarrassed for him watching his follow up to May yesterday) I do think you jump on anybold bollocks attempting to damn him which doesn’t do a lot for your own credibility in regard to balance and proportionality. Corbyn was always going to try a route of dialogue in the first instance and his pre-written speech was completely undermined by May’s detailed revelations regarding Salisbury as he predictably read out notions of talk and compromise and of back patting people affected and involved in the investigation, which of course May had already covered. When I said we are a joke internationally, I was really (unclearly) eluding to the disaster our situation we find ourselves in right now as a result of the Brexit related decisions since the vote, rather than the vote itself. Because we look like international dicks right now. What is cracking for May right now is Salisbury. It’s her Falkland Islands. “Stop looking over here at this Unicorn (which is actually a donkey with a dildo strapped to its forehead) and let’s all get behind a collectively agreeable injustice and show our strength, solidarity and competence for a bit. It’s no coincidence she wanted to do all of the announcing yesterday of the police and security services progress in the case and it was well, fairly unprecedented that the head of the organisations leading the investigation didn’t get to release the report. Fantastic bit of spin. I think that's harsh on May - it certainly isn't her Falklands and it's doing nothing for her in the polls anyway. My problem with Corbyn is he always wants to take the anti-US/Britain/Israel/West point of view whatever the situation, it wouldn't even be that bad it was neutral but it isn't. It's almost a desire to see the wrong in ourselves but the good in others and that leads him to situations like this. No argument from me with our negotiation mind, that has been a joke. But it still not on the level of Jeremy Corbyn sending Novichok samples to Russia to ask them if they were involved.
Buce Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: I think that's harsh on May - it certainly isn't her Falklands and it's doing nothing for her in the polls anyway. My problem with Corbyn is he always wants to take the anti-US/Britain/Israel/West point of view whatever the situation, it wouldn't even be that bad it was neutral but it isn't. It's almost a desire to see the wrong in ourselves but the good in others and that leads him to situations like this. No argument from me with our negotiation mind, that has been a joke. But it still not on the level of Jeremy Corbyn sending Novichok samples to Russia to ask them if they were involved. That’s pretty much the default position of the liberal left, just as the right’s default position is that we can do no wrong. Two sides of the same bullshit coin.
Guest MattP Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: That’s pretty much the default position of the liberal left, just as the right’s default position is that we can do no wrong. Two sides of the same bullshit coin. Far too deep for this time of day but I wonder why we do this? Both sides. It really is pretty crazy.
leicsmac Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: Far too deep for this time of day but I wonder why we do this? Both sides. It really is pretty crazy. Good question. Perhaps there's something about nationalism/patriotism being something that some people like because it breeds a sense of unity and togetherness, and then in response to that you have those who reject the idea either because they believe only in themselves or in the solidarity of all humans, borders be damned. A corollary of that is that talking down of a lot of different nation states, even their own (because of the above reasons) is going to happen.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 6 September 2018 Posted 6 September 2018 On 05/09/2018 at 11:54, Kopfkino said: Great memories of Corbyn asking us to send a sample to Russia to check if it was theirs. Jesus ****ing Christ that man. He should be locked away in a sanatorium.
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