Old football

[simFox]

Where I am in Africa, they're showing all the previous world cup documentarys, basically just a running narrative of the progress of each competition, they're great, if only just to watch how badly people dressed.

 

But the game always appears to be very slow, the pitches seem much bigger. Not much pressing, loads of man to man marking. The commentary also included revenge fouls and some great goal keeper saves by the players, which just resulted in peno.

 

All the players used to swap shirts, even showed them all in the communal bath! 

 

Guess the modern game has really changed. Great stuff though. Anyone watched them?

Edited 21 May 2018 by simFox

[ARTY_FOX]

1 hour ago, simFox said:

Where I am in Africa, they're showing all the previous world cup documentarys, basically just a running narrative of the progress of each competition, they're great, if only just to watch how badly people dressed.

 

But the game always appears to be very slow, the pitches seem much bigger. Not much pressing, loads of man to man marking. The commentary also included revenge fouls and some great goal keeper saves by the players, which just resulted in peno.

 

All the players used to swap shirts, even showed them all in the communal bath! 

 

Guess the modern game has really changed. Great stuff though. Anyone watched them?

 

I have the 66 final on hard drive and it's honestly at points one of the most painful games to watch. As you say it's so slow. But at the same time I enjoy watching it. 

[Izzy]

1 hour ago, simFox said:

Where I am in Africa, they're showing all the previous world cup documentarys, basically just a running narrative of the progress of each competition, they're great, if only just to watch how badly people dressed.

 

But the game always appears to be very slow, the pitches seem much bigger. Not much pressing, loads of man to man marking. The commentary also included revenge fouls and some great goal keeper saves by the players, which just resulted in peno.

 

All the players used to swap shirts, even showed them all in the communal bath! 

 

Guess the modern game has really changed. Great stuff though. Anyone watched them?

 

I'm guessing some of this is down to the WC being held in the summer. Mexico 70/86, Spain 82, Italia 90, USA '94 were all played in pretty hot weather.

 

Of course the game is quicker now, the players are fitter, supreme athletes and you've got all the sports science etc.

 

The modern day game has changed for the better in many ways but for those of us of a certain age, give us communal baths, a half time orange and the magic sponge any day of the week 

[Kitchandro]

The game was slower 'back in the day' but there also seemed to be a lot more goals. Footballers are probably better on the whole but I think the mentality is a lot more negative.

 

I think football has had it's high point tbh, maybe it was the 90s. There were great players but they didn't seem so dislikeable in general - now almost every top player is hateful (Ronaldo, Suarez, Kane, Diego Costa, Marcelo, in fact most of the Brazil team.) Kits were far nicer and crowds were good without ticket prices being too high. The TV coverage was brilliant (from the BBC epecially).

 

People seemed to look at the game with a sense of wonder but now it's cynical from top to bottom, look at how much diving there is, how managers treat the cup competitions, how fans view the amount of money in the game, and even though we always suspected it, now everyone knows the World Cup is a fix. Hooliganism is still rife outside England, we're just not allowed to stand up anymore.

 

The quality of the last few international tournaments doesn't really suggest we are better off now. We're not getting as many great goals, high scoring games or iconic moments as World Cups like Mexico 86, Spain 82, Mexico 70, France 98 or even Italia 90, which was considered a poor World Cup at the time but is now recognised for a plethora of cult heroes that you just can't get now.

 

On the other hand, a lot of the old stuff is overrated - from 66 and 70 specifically. The 66 final is a slow match and the Brazil England game in 1970 is an absolute borefest despite being remembered as one of the great games. Plus that Carlos Alberto goal, if Iran scored that at this World Cup coming then nobody would remember it for more than 5 minutes, because frankly there isn't an impressive pass in the whole move and they're not closed down at all.

 

Now 86, that was the shizzle. Loads of dramatic games in the knockout stages, boiling weather, and the goal of the tournament shortlist is frankly ridiculous. Even the final was great.

 

Hopefully there will be some good preview shows in England over the next month because getting nostalgic about previous world cups is often more enjoyable than the tournament itself.

[boots60]

11 hours ago, simFox said:

Where I am in Africa, they're showing all the previous world cup documentarys, basically just a running narrative of the progress of each competition, they're great, if only just to watch how badly people dressed.

 

But the game always appears to be very slow, the pitches seem much bigger. Not much pressing, loads of man to man marking. The commentary also included revenge fouls and some great goal keeper saves by the players, which just resulted in peno.

 

All the players used to swap shirts, even showed them all in the communal bath! 

 

Guess the modern game has really changed. Great stuff though. Anyone watched them?

 

If you want to see a great example of how football in the world cup has changed, watch clips of Zaire in 1974. Comedy gold.

[Voll Blau]

They showed all of these on BBC2 ahead of the last World Cup. Hopefully they do again, really gets you in the mood.

[stripeyfox]

3 hours ago, boots60 said:

If you want to see a great example of how football in the world cup has changed, watch clips of Zaire in 1974. Comedy gold.

Was that where the Zaire defender runs out of the wall at a free kick and boots the ball away?

 

 

[Fox92]

I love watching the '74 World Cup final.

 

Netherlands kick off and Cruyff (imo in the top 5 players of all time) picks the ball up, as the deepest outfield player on the pitch, beats about 4 West German players and then gets brought down for a penalty. I can never get my head around an attacking forward being that deep and then proceeding to beat that many players.... in a World Cup final.

 

I'd love to have seen that Dutch side live.

[Koke]

Football has changed for the better but for some of us of certain age we will always look back on previous eras through our nostalgic romantic eyes, and often through rose tinted specs. I remember as a 10 year old sitting in my shorts on a warm summer evening watching the 1994 WC semi final Brazil v Netherlands and i had fallen heads over heels for Begkamp, Bebeto etc. It was breathtakingly beautiful. I was completely dazzled by the joyful Nigerians and how they played the game like I did with my mates.

 

In life we as humans tend to look back on old days through rose tinted specs. Our lives in every aspect is better today than it was decades ago. Football too. Messi v Maradona is bizarrely still a debate despite Messi completely obliterating every record in football. Messi has long surpassed Maradona but people of a certain age will always look back to the 80s and 90s with tinted specs and say Maradona>Messi.

 

I'm as every bit as cynical as everybody else, I hate footballers and pundits, I hate politicians, I hate Jamie Oliver the cvnt  but I sometimes try to put things into perspective.that our football and our lives in general is for the better now.

[Koke]

The Carlos Alberto goal is kind of overrated. If that goal was scored today the defenders would be slaughtered for not pressing or closing down and being all of the place - and rightly so. 

 

Also, note how Italy's left back has gone completely missing.

 

 

 

Edited 22 May 2018 by Koke

[Fox92]

Here we go. The very best.

 

 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

52 minutes ago, Koke said:

Football has changed for the better but for some of us of certain age we will always look back on previous eras through our nostalgic romantic eyes, and often through rose tinted specs. I remember as a 10 year old sitting in my shorts on a warm summer evening watching the 1994 WC semi final Brazil v Netherlands and i had fallen heads over heels for Begkamp, Bebeto etc. It was breathtakingly beautiful. I was completely dazzled by the joyful Nigerians and how they played the game like I did with my mates.

 

In life we as humans tend to look back on old days through rose tinted specs. Our lives in every aspect is better today than it was decades ago. Football too. Messi v Maradona is bizarrely still a debate despite Messi completely obliterating every record in football. Messi has long surpassed Maradona but people of a certain age will always look back to the 80s and 90s with tinted specs and say Maradona>Messi.

 

I'm as every bit as cynical as everybody else, I hate footballers and pundits, I hate politicians, I hate Jamie Oliver the cvnt  but I sometimes try to put things into perspective.that our football and our lives in general is for the better now.

But you have to take into account that the superstars of today have the benefit of greater protection from the officials. And rightly so, because people pay to watch skillful players, not hatchet men. Maradona had to play in an era when you practically had to commit GBH to get a yellow card, never mind a red. Messi doesn't have to deal with any of that.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

48 minutes ago, Koke said:

The Carlos Alberto goal is kind of overrated. If that goal was scored today the defenders would be slaughtered for not pressing or closing down and being all of the place - and rightly so. 

 

Also, note how Italy's left back has gone completely missing.

 

 

 

 

Bit harsh. Last few minutes of a long tournament. Scorching heat. Altitude. Demoralised by impending defeat. And you're slagging them off for not pressing? Jeez!?!

 

The most impressive thing about this goal is Pele's pass. Alberto doesn't even have to break his stride. Reminds me of Riyad's pass to set up Vardy's goal vs United last season.

Edited 22 May 2018 by SouthStandUpperTier

[Izzy]

1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

But you have to take into account that the superstars of today have the benefit of greater protection from the officials. And rightly so, because people pay to watch skillful players, not hatchet men. Maradona had to play in an era when you practically had to commit GBH to get a yellow card, never mind a red. Messi doesn't have to deal with any of that.

I used to enjoy paying to watch hatchet men 

 

Those 50/50 tackles in midfield within the first few minutes used to dictate the game in many ways. They’d be red cards these days but you could see the mutual respect between the players and tackling was an art form.

 

I love the skill, pace and technique of today’s players but I also miss the tough part of the game. It’s gone soft really...

[simFox]

Revenge fouls were a given it seems, crop the goalie and it's a given you'll be hobbled next time you're on the ball. Seemed to be a lot more dribbling back then too

[Samilktray]

I caught a bit of an old game between Liverpool & St Etienne on BT sport earlier. It was horrendous, people can romance about the way football used to be all they want the quality and pace of it was garbage 

[Izzy]

8 hours ago, Samilktray said:

I caught a bit of an old game between Liverpool & St Etienne on BT sport earlier. It was horrendous, people can romance about the way football used to be all they want the quality and pace of it was garbage 

Back then the pitches were bogs, the balls were heavy and boots were crap. Put those players on today’s carpets in slippers and you’d see more pace and better quality I’m sure.

[NorthfieldsFox]

Everyone smoked 10 fags pre match and  at half time 

 

that would slow down an antelope 

[Koke]

2 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Back then the pitches were bogs, the balls were heavy and boots were crap. Put those players on today’s carpets in slippers and you’d see more pace and better quality I’m sure.

 

This is true. Although a lot of hatchet men like Vinnie Jones wouldn't have a career if they came through today. The 70s and 80s gave careers to many thugs

[davieG]

It wasn't like that in the 60's though. There was a greater emphasis on entertaining the crowds, A lot of the violence was down to Don Revie and Leeds win at all costs mentality.

 

The best aspect of those times and fouls was that players, however much they hurt got up and got on with it their philosophy was don't let the opposition see that they've hurt you. Now it's the complete opposite and the slightest touch involves rolling around in agony, it's so pathetic.