Finnegan Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 Am I right in assuming 90% of the horses that die are from falling at hedges? Just ban or moderate those to make them safer imo. I'm guessing most flat racing horses are ludicrously well looked after, have better lives than I do and have a job they actually enjoy? God bless them. You're a bit of a cvnt if you justify the Grand National just because its a tradition mind.
Bert Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 On 06/04/2019 at 20:54, peach0000 said: On the day that a horse died in the grand national I wanted to know does anyone have any legitimate reasons why this barbaric excuse for a sport should be allowed? It's just a disgusting abuse of animals in my opinion. Just to let you know. These horses are perhaps the best kept and looked after animals in the world. If horses don’t want to race they don’t race. It happens. If horses don’t want to jump hurdles or fences, they’ll refuse to do so.
joachim1965 Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 5 minutes ago, Bert said: Just to let you know. These horses are perhaps the best kept and looked after animals in the world. If horses don’t want to race they don’t race. It happens. If horses don’t want to jump hurdles or fences, they’ll refuse to do so. I am not a big fan of horse racing but this post is spot on, they are bred to race, they have the best of everything and as Bert says, if they don't want to race, they won't.
Finnegan Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 Look, I'm a pretty long way from a PETA fanatic vegan but for the love of god stop immediately with implying the horses have a choice. That's just making yourself look hideously dumb.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Look, I'm a pretty long way from a PETA fanatic vegan but for the love of god stop immediately with implying the horses have a choice. That's just making yourself look hideously dumb.
Innovindil Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 47 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Look, I'm a pretty long way from a PETA fanatic vegan but for the love of god stop immediately with implying the horses have a choice. That's just making yourself look hideously dumb. Wtf nonsense is this? Haven't you ever seen a horse refuse to enter/exit the block? Horses aren't mindless drones mate.
ScouseFox Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 51 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Look, I'm a pretty long way from a PETA fanatic vegan but for the love of god stop immediately with implying the horses have a choice. That's just making yourself look hideously dumb. come on bro, if a ****ing massive horse doesn’t want to move then putting a little man on top of it is hardly gonna inspire them, is it. you can lead a horse to water is literally the phrase. they run because it’s all they’ve ever known, it’s what they do and they will do it regardless.
Finnegan Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 12 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Wtf nonsense is this? Haven't you ever seen a horse refuse to enter/exit the block? Horses aren't mindless drones mate. 7 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: come on bro, if a ****ing massive horse doesn’t want to move then putting a little man on top of it is hardly gonna inspire them, is it. you can lead a horse to water is literally the phrase. they run because it’s all they’ve ever known, it’s what they do and they will do it regardless.
Countryfox Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 On 06/04/2019 at 23:22, Col city fan said: Why not make all races on the flat or reduce the fence sizes? What idiotic point are you trying to make? Horses can have a great life under stables and running races without having to fall so hard they snap their necks in two. Again, think before you blurt ffs.. I'm 100% with you on that one Col. A lot of people on here are arguing horses are built to run .. they like it ... etc etc ... yeah fine I agree ... let them run all day .. but not jump over fences when they are boloxed !
Guest MattP Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: Look, I'm a pretty long way from a PETA fanatic vegan but for the love of god stop immediately with implying the horses have a choice. That's just making yourself look hideously dumb. Twist Magic often just refused, Stormez as well in a different way. Brilliant talented horses but often just didn't want to race.
Voll Blau Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 On 06/04/2019 at 22:15, deejdeej said: No but is there really any need to make the jumps hard and high for entertainment purposes...? Actually what's wrong with just flat racing? Think this sums up how I feel about it. Stopped betting on the National a few years ago when it hit me that the first thing I was checking for was to see if all the horses had survived, rather than whether I'd won any dough. Any race where the *relatively low* death rate of participants is being used to justify its existence probably isn't worth continuing with to be honest.
Finnegan Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 8 minutes ago, MattP said: Twist Magic often just refused, Stormez as well in a different way. Brilliant talented horses but often just didn't want to race. That's an animal reacting to its immediate situation and being large enough to be wilful. That's a long, long way from having "choice" in the broader sense. FWIW, as long as the animal isn't in any significant risk of harm then I'm all for any kind of working animals. The vast majority enjoy their tasks, race horses enjoy running, sheep dogs love herding, etc. I'm not suggesting all horse sports are cruel, they aren't, they're often enjoyable for everyone involved. Just don't make out like an animal has a "choice" in any comparable way to a free human, its a very quick way to give the animal rights campaigner the upper hand in your argument by just being silly af.
Bert Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: Look, I'm a pretty long way from a PETA fanatic vegan but for the love of god stop immediately with implying the horses have a choice. That's just making yourself look hideously dumb. Well it’s not really. Even in flat racing horses refuse to enter stalls, refuse to leave stalls. By doing this it’s a clear action of the horse not wanting to do so. Jockeys have strict guidelines to follow during races that be pulling them up for whatever reason or easing them down with little chance of winning, the safety of the horse is the priority.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 15 minutes ago, Finnegan said: That's an animal reacting to its immediate situation and being large enough to be wilful. That's a long, long way from having "choice" in the broader sense. FWIW, as long as the animal isn't in any significant risk of harm then I'm all for any kind of working animals. The vast majority enjoy their tasks, race horses enjoy running, sheep dogs love herding, etc. I'm not suggesting all horse sports are cruel, they aren't, they're often enjoyable for everyone involved. Just don't make out like an animal has a "choice" in any comparable way to a free human, its a very quick way to give the animal rights campaigner the upper hand in your argument by just being silly af. We might well be singing from a similar hymn sheet but I don't see how people are making out it has choice in a comparable way to a free human. It seems more to me, people that say the horse has no choice view choice only through an anthropomorphic lens, and much of the objection to horse racing comes from similar anthropomorphising. And tbh most of the time it comes from people that have evidently never spent any time around horses, don't understand horses, can't be bothered to look how they are treated, and just float in a bubble of ignorance. Not denying that there are many valid criticisms of the sport but they often go on being ignored as people talk utter horseshit about it once a year.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 April 2019 Posted 8 April 2019 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: That's an animal reacting to its immediate situation and being large enough to be wilful. That's a long, long way from having "choice" in the broader sense. FWIW, as long as the animal isn't in any significant risk of harm then I'm all for any kind of working animals. The vast majority enjoy their tasks, race horses enjoy running, sheep dogs love herding, etc. I'm not suggesting all horse sports are cruel, they aren't, they're often enjoyable for everyone involved. Just don't make out like an animal has a "choice" in any comparable way to a free human, its a very quick way to give the animal rights campaigner the upper hand in your argument by just being silly af. Absolutely how I see it It’s in-bred I thought? A working dog may love being a working dog... but they have no ‘choice’ do they? They are bred to work Which is fine. But herding up a few sheep isn’t going to kill a border collie is it? When being urged on to be jumping over fences when a horse is knackered may well kill them. Thats how I see it. Race horses.. fine.. but as safely as possible.
ozleicester Posted 10 April 2019 Posted 10 April 2019 On 08/04/2019 at 20:46, Bert said: Just to let you know. These horses are perhaps the best kept and looked after animals in the world. If horses don’t want to race they don’t race. It happens. If horses don’t want to jump hurdles or fences, they’ll refuse to do so. If they refuse, they get killed and chopped into little pieces, only the limited successful few get the gold star treatment- THOUSANDS are KILLED every year because they refuse to/cant race. Purely so a shedload of wannabe kings can laugh and get pissed. On 08/04/2019 at 20:54, joachim1965 said: I am not a big fan of horse racing but this post is spot on, they are bred to race, they have the best of everything and as Bert says, if they don't want to race, they won't.
Guest MattP Posted 10 April 2019 Posted 10 April 2019 7 hours ago, ozleicester said: If they refuse, they get killed and chopped into little pieces, only the limited successful few get the gold star treatment- THOUSANDS are KILLED every year because they refuse to/cant race. Purely so a shedload of wannabe kings can laugh and get pissed. 1. Evidence of this? 2. You've clearly never met a racehorse owner in your life.
Guest MattP Posted 10 April 2019 Posted 10 April 2019 I know one is on a Saturday but it's bizarre 9.6 million tuned in for the Grand National whilst only 1.5 million tuned in for the Gold Cup. I wish this country knew it's racing a bit more.
fuchsntf Posted 10 April 2019 Posted 10 April 2019 On 08/04/2019 at 16:58, Finnegan said: That's an animal reacting to its immediate situation and being large enough to be wilful. That's a long, long way from having "choice" in the broader sense. FWIW, as long as the animal isn't in any significant risk of harm then I'm all for any kind of working animals. The vast majority enjoy their tasks, race horses enjoy running, sheep dogs love herding, etc. I'm not suggesting all horse sports are cruel, they aren't, they're often enjoyable for everyone involved. Just don't make out like an animal has a "choice" in any comparable way to a free human, its a very quick way to give the animal rights campaigner the upper hand in your argument by just being silly af. Horses racing is like men working.....We fking hate it!!!! Having to jump when told,getting the odd carrot when we are good... Parade the opposite sex in front of us,so we can all watch...Being told we have to retire,just as we are getting the hang of it.... People slapping us on the back and telling us how good we,when they want something from us....... Then some tosser,telling us we are carrying an handi-cap!!!
Bert Posted 10 April 2019 Posted 10 April 2019 1 hour ago, MattP said: I know one is on a Saturday but it's bizarre 9.6 million tuned in for the Grand National whilst only 1.5 million tuned in for the Gold Cup. I wish this country knew it's racing a bit more. Grade 3 handicap chase or a Grade 1 chase. It’s a no brainer for me.
adam1 Posted 12 April 2019 Posted 12 April 2019 It maybe worth noting that PETA who were full on anti grand national last week are now full on anti wool clothes this week.... you couldn't make it up. Ban wool clothes or horse racing? Both sound absurd.
ozleicester Posted 12 April 2019 Posted 12 April 2019 2 minutes ago, adam1 said: It maybe worth noting that PETA who were full on anti grand national last week are now full on anti wool clothes this week.... you couldn't make it up. Ban wool clothes or horse racing? Both sound absurd. Why?
howlinmadmurfdoc Posted 12 April 2019 Posted 12 April 2019 3 minutes ago, adam1 said: It maybe worth noting that PETA who were full on anti grand national last week are now full on anti wool clothes this week.... you couldn't make it up. Ban wool clothes or horse racing? Both sound absurd. PETA spent the week before the grand national praising Ryanair for a vegan lasagne, then last weekend attacking horse racing. Still I suppose O’leary can plough some of the vegan lasagne profits into buying more horses.
adam1 Posted 12 April 2019 Posted 12 April 2019 13 hours ago, ozleicester said: Why? Why would you ban wool clothes?
Guest Kopfkino Posted 12 April 2019 Posted 12 April 2019 14 hours ago, adam1 said: It maybe worth noting that PETA who were full on anti grand national last week are now full on anti wool clothes this week.... you couldn't make it up. Ban wool clothes or horse racing? Both sound absurd. Theyre anti pets ffs. In fact they're so anti pets, the majority of animals that end up in their care get put down. Nobody should ever take lessons from PETA on anything
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