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Young players need time. He's not gonna be the complete package. He did well at WBA, Championship, and has been in our side for less than a year. If we actually had quality out wide then perhaps we could loan him out to another PL side. Give young players time instead of slating them constantly.

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3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

literally just one under-6 performance in addition to yesterday using your fan-rating logic lol.

 

Well done on playing yourself and proving yourself wrong. 

so 2 then? 

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1 minute ago, jaylcfc94 said:

lol. because it is an outlier. every player got rated high. 

so is he not allowed any credit for also getting a high rating?

 

If he didn't play well in that game as well, you'd be on his back as well. The lad can't win.

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1 minute ago, adam95581 said:

This thread is why I hate some of our fanbase.
 

At the start of the season everyone wanted to give Barnes a chance and now, after a couple of sub-par performances, people want him binned off. He’s in the top 5 for assists in the league and has the most for us. Yes, he’s not been taking his own chances, but on the whole he offers more threat than Pérez, Gray and Kevin.

We need to be patient and back him for a bit longer. 

 

He’s not he’s 8th joint with 7 other players 

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14 minutes ago, jaylcfc94 said:

lol. because it is an outlier. every player got rated high. 

And is perhaps the reason that we won 9 - 0 to do with the fact that everyone played well...?

 

Or does a positive score only count if the rest of your team play badly?

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He’s a decent player who’ll get better, but he was dreadful yesterday. At one point their keeper had the ball and he didn’t even close him down, his effort was minimal. If we want to compete with the top 4 we need a world class winger, it’s as simple as that. Barnes should be used from the bench and in cup matches, as well as an occasional start. 

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5 hours ago, Sampson said:

I've seen thqt video before.

 

Firstly, many of those chances he runs through the defence in a way he couldnt in the PL and you dont get those chances in the PL, defenders press more and see smarter. History is littered with players who cound get 20 goals a season at Championship level but couldnt hit a barn door at PL level. Do we not remember how incredible Jermaine Beckford was at League One level, scoring some sensational goals, but how poor he was at Championship level - and that move up was way, way smaller?

 

Secondly, are you really judging a player on a 10 minute youtube video over the past 12 months we've watched him? Anyone can look good on YouTube- do you not remember Kaebi or Kermorgant? They looked spectacular on youtube. You're not going to get any simple chances Barnes has missed on a video like that.

 

His finishing this season has been atricious and last season it was even worse, evenhis solitary goal last season was shanked and dribbled in despite being a simple chance.

 

We have an entire calandar year now of "he just needs a goal to down down", "he's just low on confidence, one goal and he'll go on a run", "he's trying too hard, he'll get one soon then not stop" etc. etc. Meanwhile he's spent almost an entire year now fluffing simple chance after simple chance and wasting goal scoring opportunity after goal scoring opportunity.

 

If we're still saying the same in 6 months time, will people still be saying "he just needs a goal"? What about another year? 2 years? 3 years? At what point do fans continue to stick their head in the sand and ignore what they are watching because of a ****ing youtube video at a lower level against inferior defenders and goalkeepers?

 

If he wasn't a local lad who came through our academy, he'd be getting way, way less people defending him than people currently do. His actual performances on the pitch  haven't justified being as held in as high regard as he is here.

 

 

im simply saying to say he can’t finish is nonsense. don’t make it into something else- that was the point. he clearly can finish.

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4 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

which division do WBA play in again?

that’s irrelevant. 

 

 

The poster said he couldn’t finish and there’s proof that he can. that’s all - stop changing the goalposts.

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Just now, MPH said:

that’s irrelevant. 

 

 

The poster said he couldn’t finish and there’s proof that he can. that’s all - stop changing the goalposts.

you’ll be posting john from down the pub 18/19 highlights  next 

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1 hour ago, jaylcfc94 said:

no it doesn’t prove anything. we are a premier league club competing against the best clubs in the world. the championship is a world away. look at che adams he scores over 20 in the championship but 0 in the premier league so far.  

 

Next you’ll be posting John from down the pub highlights saying he’s a great finisher 

 

 

What do people not get?

 

 

he said he couldn’t finish. that’s evidence he can.  no one said anything else lol

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Just now, MPH said:

What do people not get?

he said he couldn’t finish. that’s evidence he can.  no one said anything else lol

Quite a number of people are incapable of admitting being wrong, about anything, ever. We appear to have stumbled across one of those.

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1 minute ago, jaylcfc94 said:

you’ll be posting john from down the pub 18/19 highlights  next 

 

 

it wasn’t a discussion about how good he was and can he cut it in the prem, it was a single point about wether he can finish.

 

 

some of you need to read the points people make before jumping on board all hurt and angry.

 

lol

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6 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

im simply saying to say he can’t finish is nonsense. don’t make it into something else- that was the point. he clearly can finish.


Based on a YouTube video against second tier opposition, which only shows his goals and not all of his shots and misses - and against much worse defenders and goalkeepers where he gets far more time at that. His finishing has been atrocious for a good calendar year in the top flight - he may well improve in the future, but so far he's shown nothing to suggest he is anything other than an atrocious finisher at this level. It's absolutely not nonsense, it's exactly what we've seen. You're deluding yourself if you think he's shown he is a good finisher at this level, he may well be when he grows older and after training in 3 seasons time, but right now, all he has shown so far is anything but.

Again, history is littered with players who scored bucket loads and could finish at Championship level but looked woeful at PL level against better goalkeepers and defenders where they are given much time. You seem to be equating how, where and when you can finish in the Championship with the PL, which is utterly bizarre.

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5 minutes ago, MPH said:

that’s irrelevant. 

 

 

The poster said he couldn’t finish and there’s proof that he can. that’s all - stop changing the goalposts.

exactly. that's like saying just because they played in a lower league means they can never step up lol 

 

Look at Vardy ffs. Scored shit load in non-league and then the Championship but would that mean, at the time, he can't score in the PL?!

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Just now, StanSP said:

exactly. that's like saying just because they played in a lower league means they can never step up lol 

 

Look at Vardy ffs. Scored shit load in non-league and then the Championship but would that mean, at the time, he can't score in the PL?!

Nope. Vardy absolutely made the step up, but for every Vardy, there's 20 players who couldn't make that step up. You seem to be equating where, how and when the chances fall, the opposition they are against and the space and time you get to finish at Championship level which is ridiculous.

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1 minute ago, Sampson said:


Based on a YouTube video against second tier opposition, which only shows his goals and not all of his shots and misses - and against much worse defenders and goalkeepers where he gets far more time at that. His finishing has been atrocious for a good calendar year in the top flight - he may well improve in the future, but so far he's shown nothing to suggest he is anything other than an atrocious finisher at this level. It's absolutely not nonsense, it's exactly what we've seen. You're deluding yourself if you think he's shown he is a good finisher at this level, he may well be when he grows older and after training in 3 seasons time, but right now, all he has shown so far is anything but.

 

 

when Vardy has had his off form patches in the past, was he suddenly unable to finish?

 

 

He could still finish, he was just having an off form patch. All strikers do that.

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3 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Nope. Vardy absolutely made the step up, but for every Vardy, there's 20 players who couldn't make that step up. You seem to be equating where, how and when the chances fall, the opposition they are against and the space and time you get to finish at Championship level which is ridiculous.

but the point being you should use scoring loads in the Championship as a stick to beat a player with saying they can't finish. It doesn't make sense.

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I’m not going to jump on his back because of yesterday because everyone was poor. What I would say though, he certainly should be scoring more goals than what he is. 

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6 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

when Vardy has had his off form patches in the past, was he suddenly unable to finish?

 

 

He could still finish, he was just having an off form patch. All strikers do that.

 

There is no comparison between the finishing ability of our greatest striker ever and a soon to be championship barnes. 


Vardy is clinical and only needs one sniff. Barnes is not. 

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1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

 

when Vardy has had his off form patches in the past, was he suddenly unable to finish?

 

 

He could still finish, he was just having an off form patch. All strikers do that.

Of course, but firstly Vardy has proven he could do it in the past at this level and Barnes simply hasn't and had gone a whole calendar year constantly missing chances then people would absolutely be saying Vardy isn't the player he was.

We're not talking about 3 or 4 games now, we're talking about January 2019-December 2019/ All of last season we heard "he just needs a goal" - he got it after nearly fluffing an easy chance, he didn't go on a run and now all this season we've heard is "he just needs a goal.

Mate, he's averaging 1.9 shots per game this season and averaged 2.5 shots per game for us last season - in that time, he's scored a whopping 2 goals over an entire calendar year now - 1 of which was a fluffed shot that probably wouldn't have gone in if he'd hit it cleanly

We're not talking about a bit of bad form for a few games, we're talking about the absolute worst in the league shot to goals ratio over an entire calendar year! His finishing has been absolutely inexcusable for a long time now.

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3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

but the point being you should use scoring loads in the Championship as a stick to beat a player with saying they can't finish. It doesn't make sense.

yes what’s wrong with that? posting championship highlights to prove he can finish at premier  league levels is stupid 

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1 minute ago, jaylcfc94 said:

 

There is no comparison between the finishing ability of our greatest striker ever and a soon to be championship barnes. 


Vardy is clinical and only needs one sniff. Barnes is not. 

 

 

oh good grief. i dispair lol.

 

 

i wasn’t comparing them as strikers. i was talking about a striker  who can finish being off form. He doesn’t lose the ability to finish was my very simple point.

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