Guest Col city fan Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 2 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said: What I'm. What I'm trying to say is that you and others are downplaying CONSECUTIVE TOP TEN FINISHES as not a great achievement but at the time it was. It was a totally different era. Now we have mega rich owners, the prem is mega rich not just the top few clubs, and we can compete a lot better. Our facilities and everything from the ground up have improved so much. Back then the club had no money really at all, a small shed of a stadium, whilst most of the rest of the prem had mega bucks. You had Chelsea man utd Newcastle Leeds Liverpool etc spending plus even Wimbledon spending loads on players while we didn't spend a bean really til Taylor spunked a load on dross. O Neill achieved a miracle for 5 years, and as I say if the one off title win didn't happen it would still be by far our most successful period. Completely agree. Great post. Anyone looking back at that era with anything less than big respect for what we achieved clearly didn’t experience it. Our midfield of Lennon, Parker and Muzzy was and always will be one of our best ever.
SpacedX Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 On the subject of MF and not wishing to derail the thread, but our greatest of all time may well have been anchoring the Gillies Hungary inspired whirl and switch system employed to devastating effect by the ice kings which was driven by creator in chief, and inside left Dave Gibson. The pairing and movement of Cross and Gibson and actually the synergy of that side has never been seen since, not even the unity of 2015-16.
foxile5 Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 2 minutes ago, Line-X said: On the subject of MF and not wishing to derail the thread, but our greatest of all time may well have been anchoring the Gillies Hungary inspired whirl and switch system employed to devastating effect by the ice kings which was driven by creator in chief, and inside left Dave Gibson. The pairing and movement of Cross and Gibson and actually the synergy of that side has never been seen since, not even the unity of 2015-16. A gnats dick away from the league and Cup double, weren't we?
HighPeakFox Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 Both midfields fantastic and essential in their own ways. I was there for the MON era but my memory plays tricks - nostalgia and time distort the past.
foxile5 Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 3 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Both midfields fantastic and essential in their own ways. I was there for the MON era but my memory plays tricks - nostalgia and time distort the past. Lennon was very similar to Wilf, but much better at passing. Similar in the sense he used to win the ball, not that he was six foot and Nigerian. I remember my old boy every game used to wax lyrical - 'look, free never ever gives the ball away.' It was mostly sideways passing though. Muzzy and Maddison aren't comparable. They play different games. At a push I would take future Maddison. Muzzy took better corners. Maddison takes better free kicks.
Toddybad Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 19 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Completely agree. Great post. Anyone looking back at that era with anything less than big respect for what we achieved clearly didn’t experience it. Our midfield of Lennon, Parker and Muzzy was and always will be one of our best ever. .
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 1 minute ago, Toddybad said: It was a brilliant midfield and team. It was a brilliant era. But to say it's our best midfield ever when we've won the league and now have another team capable of reaching the champions League is a bit silly imo. He actually said it’s one of our best ever, not the best ever.
Toddybad Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 Just now, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said: He actually said it’s one of our best ever, not the best ever. I realised and removed the comment but you beat me to it.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 33 minutes ago, Toddybad said: I realised and removed the comment but you beat me to it. No problem mate and you are spot on. ANY top midfield we’ve ever had must always contain Kante. Imo he was the lynchpin of our incredible achievement
murphy Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 9 hours ago, Oxfordfox83 said: I honestly reckon that just on midfields (both of which are 3s, not 4s) that Izzet, Lennon and Parker would give Maddison, Youri and Wilf/Hamza a serious run for their money. They were solid, creative and talented. But Vardy>Heskey, and Chilly/Ricardo > Guppy/Impey, and that’s where I think the current boys would flourish. (I’ve now got a dream sequence playing in my head of Vardy winding up Walsh and Elliott and seeing how long it would be till one of them kicked him over the old East Stand...) I actually think that Guppy was better than Chilwell. At least more effective. Not as quick, not such an athlete, not as good defensively, but he had a superb delivery and plenty of end product. Ricardo v Impey is a mismatch. Your profile pic reminds me. If we're comparing midfields of old, Draper was better than most.
FoxyJim1987 Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 6 minutes ago, murphy said: I actually think that Guppy was better than Chilwell. At least more effective. Not as quick, not such an athlete, not as good defensively, but he had a superb delivery and plenty of end product. Ricardo v Impey is a mismatch. Your profile pic reminds me. If we're comparing midfields of old, Draper was better than most. Guppy was a brilliant player, incredible crosser of the ball, could cross it from anywhere. Hard to compare him to Chilwell as mostly Guppy was a wide midfielder or wing back, where Chilwell is a more defensive minded left back. Draper was class, shame he was here in such a poor side and for such a brief amount of time.
Nod.E Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 1 hour ago, FoxyJim1987 said: What I'm. What I'm trying to say is that you and others are downplaying CONSECUTIVE TOP TEN FINISHES as not a great achievement but at the time it was. It was a totally different era. Now we have mega rich owners, the prem is mega rich not just the top few clubs, and we can compete a lot better. Our facilities and everything from the ground up have improved so much. Back then the club had no money really at all, a small shed of a stadium, whilst most of the rest of the prem had mega bucks. You had Chelsea man utd Newcastle Leeds Liverpool etc spending plus even Wimbledon spending loads on players while we didn't spend a bean really til Taylor spunked a load on dross. O Neill achieved a miracle for 5 years, and as I say if the one off title win didn't happen it would still be by far our most successful period. Nobody is questioning how much of a great achievement it was. The question was which is a 'better', i.e. more talented midfield. People making arguments about our current team's quality shouldn't get people's backs up about previous players. Yes there was that one Muzzy comment but again I think the intention there was more about Maddison's potential.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 58 minutes ago, murphy said: I actually think that Guppy was better than Chilwell. At least more effective. Not as quick, not such an athlete, not as good defensively, but he had a superb delivery and plenty of end product. Ricardo v Impey is a mismatch. Your profile pic reminds me. If we're comparing midfields of old, Draper was better than most. Draper was a sensational player, right about the time I was old enough to appreciate it. I never understood why he seemed to fade away at Villa, thought he was destined to make the leap to one of the great Italian sides like Barcelona....
murphy Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 22 minutes ago, Oxfordfox83 said: Draper was a sensational player, right about the time I was old enough to appreciate it. I never understood why he seemed to fade away at Villa, thought he was destined to make the leap to one of the great Italian sides like Barcelona.... I was with you all the way until that bit
Oxfordfox83 Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 5 minutes ago, murphy said: I was with you all the way until that bit Ah mate, I guess someone had to fall into the trap... 1:30 into this vid:
ScouseFox Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 2 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said: What I'm. What I'm trying to say is that you and others are downplaying CONSECUTIVE TOP TEN FINISHES as not a great achievement but at the time it was. It was a totally different era. Now we have mega rich owners, the prem is mega rich not just the top few clubs, and we can compete a lot better. Our facilities and everything from the ground up have improved so much. Back then the club had no money really at all, a small shed of a stadium, whilst most of the rest of the prem had mega bucks. You had Chelsea man utd Newcastle Leeds Liverpool etc spending plus even Wimbledon spending loads on players while we didn't spend a bean really til Taylor spunked a load on dross. O Neill achieved a miracle for 5 years, and as I say if the one off title win didn't happen it would still be by far our most successful period. i’ve genuinely got no idea if you’re just taking the piss or not. literally nobody is “downplaying” the achievements of the team from the late 90s. they did really well for what they were. which is sort of the point. this team is comfortably better and if both achieved the same things, one would be viewed as “a miracle” and the other would be viewed as a bit of a disappointment, imo.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 6 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: i’ve genuinely got no idea if you’re just taking the piss or not. literally nobody is “downplaying” the achievements of the team from the late 90s. they did really well for what they were. which is sort of the point. this team is comfortably better and if both achieved the same things, one would be viewed as “a miracle” and the other would be viewed as a bit of a disappointment, imo. Not being argumentative, any chance you could explain the “they did really well for what they were” part 👍🏼
ScouseFox Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 2 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said: Not being argumentative, any chance you could explain the “they did really well for what they were” part 👍🏼 that was his point not mine. describing it as a miracle that that team finished in the top half.
murphy Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 17 minutes ago, Oxfordfox83 said: Ah mate, I guess someone had to fall into the trap... 1:30 into this vid: Ok, I hadn't seen that before. Joachim was another one that faded at the graveyard that is Aston Villa. When he played for us, I thought Draper was a future England captain.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 7 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: that was his point not mine. describing it as a miracle that that team finished in the top half. Ah ok that’ll teach me to read further back 😊🦊
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norwichfox Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 2 hours ago, Col city fan said: No problem mate and you are spot on. ANY top midfield we’ve ever had must always contain Kante. Imo he was the lynchpin of our incredible achievement What, both of them?
FoxyJim1987 Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 59 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: i’ve genuinely got no idea if you’re just taking the piss or not. literally nobody is “downplaying” the achievements of the team from the late 90s. they did really well for what they were. which is sort of the point. this team is comfortably better and if both achieved the same things, one would be viewed as “a miracle” and the other would be viewed as a bit of a disappointment, imo. I'm not taking the piss at all and the fact that a lot of others on here are agreeing with me should tell you I'm making a valid point. Comments on here have been dismissing players in that side simple as that, when it was a totally different era. The point is that the way the prem was back then its like Huddersfield coming up with their budget and team now and finishing top 10 5 seasons in a row and winning 2 cups. That's what it was like, and apart from a one off miracle season that's the greatest period of our 100 plus year history so those guys deserve more respect.
FoxyJim1987 Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 58 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: that was his point not mine. describing it as a miracle that that team finished in the top half. As I say everything's relative. We were a tiny tiny fish in a massive pond and achieved 3 cup finals and consistently top half with a small squad small budget poor ground and facilities
ScouseFox Posted 5 September 2019 Posted 5 September 2019 1 minute ago, FoxyJim1987 said: As I say everything's relative. We were a tiny tiny fish in a massive pond and achieved 3 cup finals and consistently top half with a small squad small budget poor ground and facilities surely you’re taking the piss? you are COMPLETELY missing the point. literally nobody apart from you gives two shits about our budget or the size of the press room in the 90s compared to now. we. are. simply. comparing. footballers. the fact that that you are basically saying that team overachieved and we couldn’t afford any better players is literally agreeing with the point that today’s midfield would probably wipe the floor with them. over and out. surely a troll.
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