Which midfield is better

[urban fox]

5 minutes ago, SystonFox said:

Of course I watched them. I grew up idolising that side. People look back fondly on those days and rightly so yet they don’t appreciate what we have now. Maddison is super talented and will likely go far with his career. With or without us. It doesn’t matter how long he stays for in my opinion.

Yes he is super talented, nobody denies that. but, no way can he be compared in terms of his contribution to the club after one season and four games to any player who gave their best years to the club through thick and thin. Pogba is super talented but he is ripping Man utd apart with his crappy attitude and self centred ego. How many people will remember the likes of Maddison in ten or twenty years time if he up sticks in a years time?  There is more to being a legend than simply being talented.  It is what you actually bring to the club.  FFS we had had Mancini here for a brief time but will he be remembered as a legend (how many on here even know his name)? Cambiasso, class player big influence in the great escape, a legend? no.

[KingsX]

4 hours ago, Samilktray said:

Well this thread went exactly as anyone would have predicted didn’t it. The old boys getting pissy about the younger generations opinions 

 

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[Guest An Sionnach]

People will be saying Stephen Gerrard was not as good as Jessie Lyngard before you know it. In truth there are few great players left in world football and most of them are over thirty. There are far too many one season wonders about..if Maddison keeps it up for three or four years then we'll know.

[ScouseFox]

if the current midfield stays together for as long as the 90s midfield, if all we had to shout about was a league cup and some top 10 finishes, we would’ve failed dramatically. they are so much more talented than “top 10 finishes” even being worth mentioning. 

[Guest Electric Yetis]

Izzet was better than Maddison currently is. 

[Guest Col city fan]

8 hours ago, SystonFox said:

I’m not saying my opinion is that Izzet is half the player but I get the feeling he is talked about as if he is twice the player any of our current lot ever will be. It’s all nostalgic and blue tinted specs 

Were you around at the time cos you’re talking bollox

[twoleftfeet]

did we have a midfield under MON? or did we lump the ball to Hesky to fall over, to get a free kick, for Gary Parker to take, for one of the center backs to nod it into the net. how you could not include Gary Parker in the four midfielders from MON time I don't know. If you look at it another way we seem to have managed to replace the midfielders who have left in recent years with players of a much more similar calibre than we managed just after MON left followed shortly after by Lennon.

[twoleftfeet]

20 minutes ago, pds said:

Izzet was better than Maddison currently is. 

Made the world cup semi-finals with Turkey if my memory serves me right. Something Maddison has yet to do.

[SystonFox]

5 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

How though can you argue Izzet has half the talent of a guy in his 2nd season in the prem? That was a stupid comment and I think you must know that. 

It may have been worded stupidly. I did not intend to say I believe Izzet has half the talent but it’s the perception I get off most fans my age (32) and above that Izzet et al are twice as talented as the current crop and always will be

[SystonFox]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Were you around at the time cos you’re talking bollox

Rightio cheers for the input 

[Suzie the Fox]

Izzet was my fave ever player for LCFC, along with the likes of Guppy and Lennon, but i think i am biased as that was my era. 

 

Maybe if this question is asked again in a few years, i will change my view, but for now Izzet > Maddison... But different times and different player. 

[FoxyJim1987]

1 hour ago, SystonFox said:

It may have been worded stupidly. I did not intend to say I believe Izzet has half the talent but it’s the perception I get off most fans my age (32) and above that Izzet et al are twice as talented as the current crop and always will be

No not really, just its impossible to go to the other extreme as well and say our current players are far better than guys who played for years consistently well. Muzzy is not only a club legend but was a damn good player at home in any era and any of our sides. 

[SystonFox]

Alright FoxyJim1987 Izzet ain’t gonna shag you mate

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, SystonFox said:

Alright FoxyJim1987 Izzet ain’t gonna shag you mate

He might...

[swanlee]

Jari Rantanen was Finnish weren't he?

 

But not a midfielder if I recall 

[Oxfordfox83]

I honestly reckon that just on midfields (both of which are 3s, not 4s) that Izzet, Lennon and Parker would give Maddison, Youri and Wilf/Hamza a serious run for their money. They were solid, creative and talented. 

 

But Vardy>Heskey, and Chilly/Ricardo > Guppy/Impey, and that’s where I think the current boys would flourish.

 

 

 

(I’ve now got a dream sequence playing in my head of Vardy winding up Walsh and Elliott and seeing how long it would be till one of them kicked him over the old East Stand...)

[Nod.E]

Jesus Christ, people need to chill out

 

Don't think anybody is comparing contributions to the club. It was a question of talent.

 

Funny how people get so defensive about the past.

 

For the record, my opinion is that Muzzy reached a much higher level than Maddison of present, but Maddison possesses an upper limit that goes beyond Izzet's peak level.

 

We're comparing a 22 year old who has had one season with us to somebody who's career we observed over a decade long spell. We know what came of Izzet and it was great, but at this young age and from what we've seen, all the signs are that Maddison COULD be better. He has the tools.

[FoxyJim1987]

13 hours ago, twoleftfeet said:

did we have a midfield under MON? or did we lump the ball to Hesky to fall over, to get a free kick, for Gary Parker to take, for one of the center backs to nod it into the net. how you could not include Gary Parker in the four midfielders from MON time I don't know. If you look at it another way we seem to have managed to replace the midfielders who have left in recent years with players of a much more similar calibre than we managed just after MON left followed shortly after by Lennon.

I suppose because for the last 2 or 3 years O Neill was here Parker was a bit part player struggling with fitness. His best year was the Palace play off year in div 1, then did OK the next year too, but more often than not it was Izzet Sav and Lennon in the midfield. Yes we were food at set pieces, but as I keep saying, this team keeps getting slagged off on here, either people were not around, not fans back then or have memory loss, because we had good footballers and were extremely underrated. It's like saying all we did to win the league was lump it to Vardy or give it to Mahrez. 

[FoxyJim1987]

4 hours ago, Nod.E said:

Jesus Christ, people need to chill out

 

Don't think anybody is comparing contributions to the club. It was a question of talent.

 

Funny how people get so defensive about the past.

 

For the record, my opinion is that Muzzy reached a much higher level than Maddison of present, but Maddison possesses an upper limit that goes beyond Izzet's peak level.

 

We're comparing a 22 year old who has had one season with us to somebody who's career we observed over a decade long spell. We know what came of Izzet and it was great, but at this young age and from what we've seen, all the signs are that Maddison COULD be better. He has the tools.

No one is disputing that, and if that was the original point no one would argue. Its that fact that it was said Izzet had half the talent Maddison does which is ridiculous. There shouldn't be a disservice given to very good players who were and still are massively underrated. If we hadn't had that miracle season those years on the late 90s would still be our most successful in history, but people seem to be playing down their achievements and ability that's all. 

[FoxyJim1987]

9 hours ago, SystonFox said:

Alright FoxyJim1987 Izzet ain’t gonna shag you mate

Don't be daft mate, it's not a schoolyard. Just don't take the piss by making stupid comments about a club legend. 

[FoxyJim1987]

14 hours ago, ScouseFox said:

if the current midfield stays together for as long as the 90s midfield, if all we had to shout about was a league cup and some top 10 finishes, we would’ve failed dramatically. they are so much more talented than “top 10 finishes” even being worth mentioning. 

Mate it's a different era. Back then we didn't have over 100 million in prize and TV money, we had **** all compared to the vast majority of the league. Not only did we finish top half over and over we got to 3 Cup finals winning two of them with a small squad assembled of misfits free transfers and guys from lower leagues. The title win has clouded everyone's memories I reckon. 

[bfox]

Revealing your age Suzie!

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Loved the MON sides, love our current side, loved the Pearson/Claudio sides which was better? who cares? They were all great and gave us fantastic memories 

[ScouseFox]

38 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

Mate it's a different era. Back then we didn't have over 100 million in prize and TV money, we had **** all compared to the vast majority of the league. Not only did we finish top half over and over we got to 3 Cup finals winning two of them with a small squad assembled of misfits free transfers and guys from lower leagues. The title win has clouded everyone's memories I reckon. 

not really sure what money or where players were signed from or the title win (which none of these players were involved in) has got to do with anything? 

 

simply said if we keep this same team together for 5 years and the main thing we are shouting about is CONSECUTIVE TOP TEN FINISHES then we would’ve failed. because this team is much better than that. 

[FoxyJim1987]

What I'm. 

8 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

not really sure what money or where players were signed from or the title win (which none of these players were involved in) has got to do with anything? 

 

simply said if we keep this same team together for 5 years and the main thing we are shouting about is CONSECUTIVE TOP TEN FINISHES then we would’ve failed. because this team is much better than that. 

What I'm trying to say is that you and others are downplaying CONSECUTIVE TOP TEN FINISHES as not a great achievement but at the time it was. It was a totally different era. Now we have mega rich owners, the prem is mega rich not just the top few clubs, and we can compete a lot better. Our facilities and everything from the ground up have improved so much. Back then the club had no money really at all, a small shed of a stadium, whilst most of the rest of the prem had mega bucks. You had Chelsea man utd Newcastle Leeds Liverpool etc spending plus even Wimbledon spending loads on players while we didn't spend a bean really til Taylor spunked a load on dross. O Neill achieved a miracle for 5 years, and as I say if the one off title win didn't happen it would still be by far our most successful period.