Which midfield is better

[FoxyJim1987]

1 minute ago, ScouseFox said:

surely you’re taking the piss? you are COMPLETELY missing the point. literally nobody apart from you gives two shits about our budget or the size of the press room in the 90s compared to now. 

 

we. are. simply. comparing. footballers. 

 

the fact that that you are basically saying that team overachieved and we couldn’t afford any better players is literally agreeing with the point that today’s midfield would probably wipe the floor with them. 

 

over and out. surely a troll. 

Oh fvck me how simply do I have to explain. 

 

Firstly the midfield was QUALITY back then. Under rated ability consistent international players who were among the best in the prem at the time. Guppy, Lennon, Sav and Izzet were together 4 or 5 years and were brilliant. I had a problem with some saying Ndidi and Maddison were infinitely better than those players which is bollocks. What I'm saying about budget etc is the eras are different so achievements are only relative to the era. As I said its like Huddersfield doing what we did in the late 90s now, so I'm saying that side that midfield was awesome and the current crop have a long way to go to emulate them. As I keep saying take that one miracle season away and that's the best team and players arguably we have EVER HAD. 

Not sure why your saying im a troll, you're the only one making those accusations. I'm a passionate Leicester fan who is arguing a point that's all. 

[Babylon]

24 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

 literally agreeing with the point that today’s midfield would probably wipe the floor with them. 

 

 I can only presume you either weren't born or weren't old enough to remember if you think that's the case. Our midfield then went toe to toe regularly with some of the best midfields the premier league have ever seen. 

 

The midfield we have now has done the square root of fook all for us yet, it's nothing but potential and what they might do.

[FoxyJim1987]

26 minutes ago, Babylon said:

 I can only presume you either weren't born or weren't old enough to remember if you think that's the case. Our midfield then went toe to toe regularly with some of the best midfields the premier league have ever seen. 

 

The midfield we have now has done the square root of fook all for us yet, it's nothing but potential and what they might do.

Thank you. I tried to make a similar point but got called a troll taking the piss. 

[Al-aLondon-Foxile]

I’ve seen them both, and Izzet is one of my all time favourite players, but this crop are different class. Back in MONs day we were called the grinders, work rate and determination were key, that’s not to say they weren’t talented and skilful too, they were, except maybe for Savage, but modern football has evolved so much that it’s difficult to truly compare. 

[Finnaldo]

Wesolowski - Tiatto - Hughes - Newton 

[Happy Fox]

Our midfield is better than Manchester United's 

[FoxyJim1987]

3 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

Wesolowski - Johansson - Tiatto - Hughes - Newton 

Do you mean Nils Eric Johansson? If so he was a centre back buddy. 

[Finnaldo]

Just now, FoxyJim1987 said:

Do you mean Nils Eric Johansson? If so he was a centre back buddy. 

Yes he was  I'm not sure why I typed him out I think it was just the 2006/07 trauma creeping back

[Samilktray]

I think we all know which team wins on football manager if they face off against each other 

[Stoopid]

1 hour ago, Al-aLondon-Foxile said:

I’ve seen them both, and Izzet is one of my all time favourite players, but this crop are different class. Back in MONs day we were called the grinders, work rate and determination were key, that’s not to say they weren’t talented and skilful too, they were, except maybe for Savage, but modern football has evolved so much that it’s difficult to truly compare. 

Evolved? Do you mean it's faster? Probably true - but in terms of sheer footballing ability, your point eludes me. Muzzy was a complete  midfielder, easily the equal of Maddison, arguably better - and going back a bit, I don't think Keith Weller gave the ball away as much in his entire Leicester career as I've seen Tielemans cough it up this season alone...

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Al-aLondon-Foxile said:

I’ve seen them both, and Izzet is one of my all time favourite players, but this crop are different class. Back in MONs day we were called the grinders, work rate and determination were key, that’s not to say they weren’t talented and skilful too, they were, except maybe for Savage, but modern football has evolved so much that it’s difficult to truly compare. 

That's the issue, we're comparing footballers who could get away with boozing all week and still managing to win at the weekend, with modern day athletes. If they were footballers now though, the likes of Lennon and Izzet would likely be fitter and more professional though taking them up another notch. All we can compare is how they did at the time and the current group haven't done enough to warrant any sort of tag of being better. 

 

We were going away to the likes of Man U at their peak with Beckham, Giggs, Scholes and Keane and not just competing, drawing and winning games. 

[SpacedX]

2 hours ago, Al-aLondon-Foxile said:

I’ve seen them both, and Izzet is one of my all time favourite players, but this crop are different class. Back in MONs day we were called the grinders, work rate and determination were key, that’s not to say they weren’t talented and skilful too, they were, except maybe for Savage, but modern football has evolved so much that it’s difficult to truly compare. 

I'll take you back earlier in time - and this thread and again mention our side of 62-63. If you think that it was simply about "griniders, work rate and determination" then you'd be so absolutely wrong.  The ice kings had all of that, McLintock and Stringy could run all day - but they also had, guile, creativity, ingenuity, agility and immense game intelligence - look no further than Dave Gibson. In an era that players and managers didn't think beyond numbers on shirts, they would routinely switch roles and flip positions with ease to confuse and confound their opponents. I don't think a more flexible and adaptable team of players ever sported the blue and white - a sharp contrast to the drilled rehearsed rigidity of players and positions today. 

 

One of the more pronounced changes that I would identify in the contemporary game is the role and expectations of the modern full back. 

[Jobyfox]

I really don’t think it’s rose tinted specs at all to suggest that Lennon and Izzett were special players. They were up there with the best in the league. We also had nothing like the resources we have now to build a team around them.

 

I actually think the question is a little premature. Maddison & Tielemans are incredibly talented, but need to convert that into consistent performances over time. Their potential may be greater, but ultimately they have to realise that potential.

 

Wilf is the only one who has really been around long enough to compare. Personally I don’t think he’s as complete a midfielder as Lennon was or as talented as Muzzy. But it’s quite nice to imagine him playing in that era with Lennon and Izzett slightly in front of him. 

 

None of them are probably as good as Kante or Cambiasso but, for reasons of longevity, I will still remember them more fondly in some respects. 

[murphy]

O'Neill's team was a collection of journeymen, cast offs and veterans and I loved them all the more for that, but within that team Lennon and Izzet were genuine quality.  Not only were they very good players themselves but they also complimented each other perfectly, making a very good unit and being more than the sum of their parts.  Lennon always seemed to be either on the ball or available, everything went through him.  I remember it being said at the time that those two were the best CM pairing outside of Arsenal's Vieira and Petit and United's Keane and Scholes.

 

It remains to be seen whether our current crop will be better.  At the end of last season Maddison & Tielemans worked very well together.  It's early days for them but I think they have a good chance of eclipsing their predecessors but they haven't done it yet.

[Guest An Sionnach]

6 hours ago, Al-aLondon-Foxile said:

I’ve seen them both, and Izzet is one of my all time favourite players, but this crop are different class. Back in MONs day we were called the grinders, work rate and determination were key, that’s not to say they weren’t talented and skilful too, they were, except maybe for Savage, but modern football has evolved so much that it’s difficult to truly compare. 

If Ibrahimovic can still score against these modern evolved footballers at 38 what has changed , nothing has changed in the last 20 years , footballers were just as fit then as they are now , however we do not have anything like as many great players . A 25 year old Zidane would be worth £300 million if Maguire is worth £80 m.

[deanolegend1989]

Lennon and Izzet were top top draw. If they were training the same in this generation as the current crop they would be as good for sure.

 

If we're comparing like for like, it’s hard as there all different players but what I will say is our current squad/first 11 are probably the best we’ve ever had.

we can for the first time, realistically compete for a top 6 even top 4 finish!

its incredible really.

I do feel, whilst the 1997-2000 team did incredible, there was a sense that they hit their ceiling, we were a good top 10-top 8 team. We did really well and they were top players for sure, but this crop are bordering world class.

 

Saying that, we achieved 2 cups in 3 years and pushed hard at times.

This teams ceiling is higher though, Ive never been more confident if this group stays together etc but so far Bar a miracle season, we haven’t really achieved f all!!

This next 1/2 seasons is crucial to suggest how good we really are. If we can achieve a top 6 finish and win a cup then we can say this is the best team ever(our PL win had 3 world class players and a couple more good components and a few honestly very average players). This current team has barely a weakness, better squad than 15/16 too.

 

overall this is the best squad in our entire history, we are on par squad wise with Utd Chelsea arsenal, first time ever I genuinely think man to man we are direct competitors. This is why for me this group is better, however until we win its remained to be seen. Top 6(even top 4) and a cup = best era ever. Let’s see if we can achieve something great in the next few seasons!