Jattdogg Posted 16 May 2020 Share Posted 16 May 2020 1 hour ago, WigstonWanderer said: I gave this a , but it’s actually quite frightening that this guy is in charge of the most powerful nation on earth The way I look at this is that he has 4.5 years left to govern. Just start the clock now, forget about travelling to the states, that they exist and then in 4.5 years all will be better. Hehe The pipe dream is 0.5 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 May 2020 Share Posted 16 May 2020 23 hours ago, leicsmac said: Voter suppression where you have local bureaucratic control (like through making accepted ID difficult to obtain for certain demographics) is not difficult to do, and the Repubs have that control in many places. Obviously just a theory, but it's possible. Oh, and if we're talking partisan then dismissing this theory as bunk and/or unimportant while actively entertaining the equally theoretical Muslim voter fraud in the UK seems a bit partisan too. It's not theoretical in Britain at all. Some in depth research and reports have been conducted on it, it's only really denied by the people who benefit from it I.e Labour and it's supporters. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/election-fraud-allowed-to-take-place-in-muslim-communities-becau/amp/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37055521 https://t.co/oWD5iqdMpj?amp=1 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/12/report-stringent-id-checks-cordons-electoral-fraud-pickles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 16 May 2020 Share Posted 16 May 2020 1 minute ago, MattP said: It's not theoretical in Britain at all. Some in depth research and reports have been conducted on it, it's only really denied by the people who benefit from it I.e Labour and it's supporters. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/election-fraud-allowed-to-take-place-in-muslim-communities-becau/amp/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37055521 https://t.co/oWD5iqdMpj?amp=1 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/12/report-stringent-id-checks-cordons-electoral-fraud-pickles ...and I'm sure I could find equally compelling research and reports on voter suppression by Repub legislatures if I were to put some effort into it and it was so desired. It is simply wrong to dismiss one and treat the other as concerning if there is any interest at all in impartiality here. As before, the only reason I might find the UK case a little less alarming is that it didn't have a hand in those who did it (but let's say allegedly, in both cases, for the moment) being given the keys to the entire kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 May 2020 Share Posted 16 May 2020 22 minutes ago, leicsmac said: ...and I'm sure I could find equally compelling research and reports on voter suppression by Repub legislatures if I were to put some effort into it and it was so desired. It is simply wrong to dismiss one and treat the other as concerning if there is any interest at all in impartiality here. As before, the only reason I might find the UK case a little less alarming is that it didn't have a hand in those who did it (but let's say allegedly, in both cases, for the moment) being given the keys to the entire kingdom. If you can find me comparable evidence I wouldn't dismiss it at all - I'd be extremely interested in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 16 May 2020 Share Posted 16 May 2020 The democrats should run a campaign with trump as ‘Teflon Don’ .....portraying him as a mafia boss who continually evades justice ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 16 May 2020 Share Posted 16 May 2020 2 minutes ago, st albans fox said: The democrats should run a campaign with trump as ‘Teflon Don’ .....portraying him as a mafia boss who continually evades justice ....... Issues with DuPont maybe.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pSinatra Posted 16 May 2020 Share Posted 16 May 2020 The man's off his tits 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 16 May 2020 Share Posted 16 May 2020 30 minutes ago, pSinatra said: The man's off his tits That's enough internet for me today. What the actual ****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 (edited) . Edited 17 May 2020 by urban.spaceman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 5 hours ago, pSinatra said: The man's off his tits I ****ing said he was gonna be hilarious 4 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 11 hours ago, MattP said: It's not theoretical in Britain at all. Some in depth research and reports have been conducted on it, it's only really denied by the people who benefit from it I.e Labour and it's supporters. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/11/election-fraud-allowed-to-take-place-in-muslim-communities-becau/amp/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37055521 https://t.co/oWD5iqdMpj?amp=1 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/12/report-stringent-id-checks-cordons-electoral-fraud-pickles There was a second investigation in said case and it led to no charges as far as I found https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tower-hamlets-electoral-fraud-police-announcement-mayor-luftur-rahman-a8527966.html%3famp "Some 20 detectives and police staff examined evidence relating to 169 separate allegations plus the newly-identified offence, trawling through 2,450 documents and statements, 28 days of election court transcripts and “several thousand pages of digital material”. Prosecutors were handed the force’s findings, but they advised it was “very unlikely that the Code for Crown Prosecutors test would ever be passed in respect of the potential offences that had been identified”." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 (edited) I think we can't dismiss @leicsmac claims when fairly solid articles like this are on the internet. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/21/trump-adviser-republicans-voter-suppression Edited 17 May 2020 by the fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 11 hours ago, MattP said: If you can find me comparable evidence I wouldn't dismiss it at all - I'd be extremely interested in it. 29 minutes ago, the fox said: There was a second investigation in said case and it led to no charges as far as I found https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tower-hamlets-electoral-fraud-police-announcement-mayor-luftur-rahman-a8527966.html%3famp "Some 20 detectives and police staff examined evidence relating to 169 separate allegations plus the newly-identified offence, trawling through 2,450 documents and statements, 28 days of election court transcripts and “several thousand pages of digital material”. Prosecutors were handed the force’s findings, but they advised it was “very unlikely that the Code for Crown Prosecutors test would ever be passed in respect of the potential offences that had been identified”." 15 minutes ago, the fox said: Found an article that supports some of @leicsmac claims. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/21/trump-adviser-republicans-voter-suppression Thank you for doing a bit of the legwork for me there. I'll weigh in with some of my own: https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-targeting-minorities-journalist-says https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/magazine/the-man-behind-trumps-voter-fraud-obsession.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-election-idUSKCN18B1QB And these are just attempts in Kansas, North Carolina, Wisconsin and North Dakota where a court has found evidence of possible voter suppression tactics and ruled on it, rather than mere speculation. Who knows what else is out there that hasn't been found/ruled upon yet? So yes, I think I'm right in thinking that Republican voter suppression in the US is as big a problem as Labour voter fraud in the UK - if not bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 Oh, and on the topic of corruption: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52694497 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 "They said Mr Linick had "opened an investigation into wrongdoing by Secretary Pompeo himself", adding that his firing was "transparently designed to protect Secretary Pompeo from personal accountability". "Meanwhile, on Saturday, the White House said the decision to oust Mr Linick was prompted by Mr Pompeo himself. "Secretary Pompeo recommended the move, and President Trump agreed," an official said." those are some strong allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 4 hours ago, the fox said: "They said Mr Linick had "opened an investigation into wrongdoing by Secretary Pompeo himself", adding that his firing was "transparently designed to protect Secretary Pompeo from personal accountability". "Meanwhile, on Saturday, the White House said the decision to oust Mr Linick was prompted by Mr Pompeo himself. "Secretary Pompeo recommended the move, and President Trump agreed," an official said." those are some strong allegations. No accountability! It seems Teflon don really is appropriate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 17 May 2020 Share Posted 17 May 2020 And now there is a retweet of a budding anti-Semitic/nationalist group. "Today Trump retweeted the white nationalists I follow most closely- Michelle Malkin & the America First/groyper movement. I know we’re all desensitized by now, but I can’t get over how extreme this is. These are the folks leading the white nationalist movement today, & Trump has given them massive exposure. Always an extreme anti-immigrant crusader, Malkin has gone even further off the deep end this year, after being shunned by mainstream conservatives for embracing the AF/groyper movement and its antisemitic leader Nick Fuentes. https://thebulwark.com/michelle-malkin-mother-of-groypers/ She’s long focused on ending ‘mass migration’ into the US, to preserve the so-called ‘historic demographic core’ of the West, i.e. white people. Despite being a self-described ‘little brown woman’, white nationalists accept her as a fellow-traveler, mainstreaming their core ideas. A tiny sampling of how awful Malkin is- In a February speech, Malkin claimed it's valid to question the # of Jews killed in the Holocaust. She regularly touts her new column at the site Unz Review, whose ‘Banned Books’ section features ‘Auschwitz: A Three-Quarter Century of Propaganda’ & other Holocaust denial tomes. Earlier this month, Malkin & Milo Yiannopoulos released an ‘America First Reading List’ that included Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ and William Pierce’s ‘Turner Diaries’, a race war fantasy novel inspiring white nationalist acts of terror since the 80s. https://twitter.com/safetyberkeley/status/1257533294171656194?s=20 The America First movement, which Trump also retweeted, is a leading white nationalist org. Focused on influencing college campuses and mainstream conservative institutions, they emphasize Christian patriotism, and seek to distance themselves from prior generations of 'toxic' white nationalists, in a savvy appeal towards mainstream respectability. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/11/20948317/alt-right-donald-trump-jr-conservative-tpusa-yaf-racism-antisemitism While many white nationalist orgs are in tatters due to deplatforming and doxxing, the America First movement is still going strong. Last month, AF leader Patrick Casey said in a podcast, that in the COVID era “it’s more important now than ever for us to get out there on the internet.”" Teflon enough? Probably, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 18 May 2020 Share Posted 18 May 2020 On 17/05/2020 at 04:33, leicsmac said: Thank you for doing a bit of the legwork for me there. I'll weigh in with some of my own: https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-targeting-minorities-journalist-says https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/magazine/the-man-behind-trumps-voter-fraud-obsession.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-election-idUSKCN18B1QB And these are just attempts in Kansas, North Carolina, Wisconsin and North Dakota where a court has found evidence of possible voter suppression tactics and ruled on it, rather than mere speculation. Who knows what else is out there that hasn't been found/ruled upon yet? So yes, I think I'm right in thinking that Republican voter suppression in the US is as big a problem as Labour voter fraud in the UK - if not bigger. The intent certainly seems to be there, fortunately the courts and law enforcement seem to be holding up against it unlike over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 18 May 2020 Share Posted 18 May 2020 4 hours ago, MattP said: The intent certainly seems to be there, fortunately the courts and law enforcement seem to be holding up against it unlike over here. Well, judging by the reports found and posted above there has also been serious investigation into the UK matters too, it just didn't end up in court because there wasn't enough evidence. I continue to stand by the assertions above regarding the seriousness of both - the only thing I'll add is that these are just the parts in the UK and US that have come to light so far, who knows what's going on behind closed doors and not known yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 18 May 2020 Author Share Posted 18 May 2020 Each week he seems to say something even more insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 18 May 2020 Share Posted 18 May 2020 2 hours ago, Lionator said: Each week he seems to say something even more insane. Humanity has failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 19 May 2020 Share Posted 19 May 2020 4 hours ago, Lionator said: Each week he seems to say something even more insane. I ****ing said in 2016 we were in for a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 19 May 2020 Share Posted 19 May 2020 1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said: I ****ing said in 2016 we were in for a laugh. ...and if the man were solely on the stand-up circuit it would be really damn funny. But he isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 19 May 2020 Share Posted 19 May 2020 Reddit nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 19 May 2020 Share Posted 19 May 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Lionator said: Each week he seems to say something even more insane. I don't see what all the fuss is about with these nit-picked statements. Employees can still refuse not to look after their boss's dog, picking up dry cleaning or making dinner reservations. Unless it's illegal to ask. Otherwise, of course, it may be somewhat odd or more extraordinary, but "wrong"? How often did this take place? Once, twice? Shocking! That's just an opinion, and we all know everyone has one. This is why I don't do Twitter, it's an echo chamber, limited space allows for limited statements, and thus it all becomes rather toxic and self-serving. As for taking hydroxychloroquine, the drug has been approved in my country for over 20 years and I've never heard of any serious side effects connected to it or people dying as a consequence of taking it. It does have its potential side effects, just like any other drug, one of the more severe but also ultra-rare ones being cardiac arrhythmia, which isn't "fatal" per se. But hey, who needs facts when you can have Twitter outrage? Edited 19 May 2020 by MC Prussian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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