US Presidential Election 2020

[Jattdogg]

[pSinatra]

I used to laugh at some of the stupid shit he would come out with.  Now it's just fvcking depressing.

[Izzy]

10 minutes ago, pSinatra said:

I used to laugh at some of the stupid shit he would come out with.  Now it's just fvcking depressing.

"I think Mike's on an aeroplane going to some far away place"

 

I never know if to laugh or cry tbh

[fuchsntf]

On 25/04/2020 at 02:43, Jattdogg said:

Guys a tw@t of the highest order. Playing it off as sarcasm and putting back at the media. Your base of supporters are absolutely stupid. I can't stand his stupid face anymore. Please do the world a favour and piss off to mars.

Mars has its own problems,dont dare wish or risk Trumpism on Inter-planetary Interaction or relations....

We have enough plastics,dont Shoot any of our own crap out into space....?

 

Captain Kirk & Spock wouldnt be chuffed..!!

[Alf Bentley]

13 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Mars has its own problems,dont dare wish or risk Trumpism on Inter-planetary Interaction or relations....

We have enough plastics,dont Shoot any of our own crap out into space....?

 

Captain Kirk & Spock wouldnt be chuffed..!!

 

Captain Kirk should stand in the presidential election.

 

He already has his own populist campaign theme song.....

 

 

[fuchsntf]

5 minutes ago, Izzy said:

"I think Mike's on an aeroplane going to some far away place"

 

I never know if to laugh or cry tbh

I fking Keep telling you all, the Aliens have taken over und Integrated into all Planet Earths high offices...

You try and have any other Intellectual discussion or make Head or tale  over any recent past Events & elections of our Great White leaders in the free World  of UK & USA...Its come to the point, I might start giving more attention & Value to Putin,unless he was One of the first who had an Encounter  of the 3rd kind...

 

Not forgetting other leaders went of the map & missing for awhile....Ignore my wise words at your peril...David Vincent & I do Really know...

We are Not alone...We know what happens on those long  Dark lonely roads....

[fuchsntf]

7 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Captain Kirk should stand in the presidential election.

 

He already has his own populist campaign theme song.....

 

 

He would at least Boldly go..

Edited 9 May 2020 by fuchsntf

[Jattdogg]

8 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Captain Kirk should stand in the presidential election.

 

He already has his own populist campaign theme song.....

 

 

He is a fellow Canadian so cant boldy go there lol.

 

Prime minister of Canada maybe!

[the fox]

I thought, and still think that Trump is going to be reelected this year.

 

 

[Jattdogg]

5 minutes ago, the fox said:

I thought, and still think that Trump is going to be reelected this year.

 

 

Sadly, i can see him winning by a larger margin this year.

[foxile5]

All this kinda weird and erratic shit started when we turned on the Large haydron Collider. 

 

[Guest MattP]

6 hours ago, the fox said:

I thought, and still think that Trump is going to be reelected this year.

 

6 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Sadly, i can see him winning by a larger margin this year.

I think the Democrats win Florida so the election is probably going to be decided on Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan.

 

I edge towards Biden but it's going to be extremely close.

 

A lot could depend on what stage the pandemic is at, if it's over Trump could do well on a economic recovery platform, if not I don't see how he wins.

[Dahnsouff]

5 hours ago, foxile5 said:

All this kinda weird and erratic shit started when we turned on the Large haydron Collider. 

 

Re-watched the first episode of Fringe last night, got me thinking 
Some serious X Files, Outer Limits sh!t going on...and now the Hadron Collider..

Too much at one time. Cannot be a coincidence, must ask Davie.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

 

I think the Democrats win Florida so the election is probably going to be decided on Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan.

 

I edge towards Biden but it's going to be extremely close.

 

A lot could depend on what stage the pandemic is at, if it's over Trump could do well on a economic recovery platform, if not I don't see how he wins.

his base think he’s doing a great job ........ you would assume that the democrats will all vote Biden. The waverers in the middle - who do they want ? ‘Sleepy joe’ (can’t deny trump has done brilliantly with that name) may be seen as too ponderous to move the country forward economically post pandemic ...trump will point to the economy pre pandemic and say how great it was ..... that he can re deliver that whereas Biden simply cannot. 
 

unless we see an enormous screw up next few months with big wave after wave of infections and deaths (which Biden has to conclusively pin on trump) then I think trump is back in. 

[MC Prussian]

On 09/05/2020 at 05:26, The_77 said:

1. You decided and then claimed that her constituents are fed up with her. The Business Insider piece you linked shows that the majority of her constituents support most of her positions and that the majority of her constituents *approve* of the job she’s doing. In fact, “With a 52% approval rating, the congresswoman had higher net favorability rating than any other major politician in her state, including Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Sen. Chuck Schumer, and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand. She also had a slightly higher net favorability than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the Siena poll found.”

 

Now you moved the goal posts to say that most of her constituents aren’t socialists. Of course that’s the case. We could probably say that about every district in the country. 😂

 

Also, Business Insider? Really?

 

2. That Vanity Fair piece doesn’t show any evidence of AOC’s mismanagement of the COVID-19 crisis in the Bronx. If anything, the last few weeks prove she was right: the stimulus bill was indeed “a Band-Aid over a gunshot wound.” We’re at Great Depression levels of unemployment and joblessness. 
 

The article also suggested that, considering the constituents she represents, she was “warranted” to speak out against the bill. 
 

3. If Fernando Cabrera gets within 15 points of AOC on primary night, he can count that as a victory. We’ll see what happens but judging by his quotes in the National Review piece, he can’t even count the number of Democrats in the U.S. Senate. 
 

AOC is not perfect and I’m not here to be her campaign surrogate; I was calling you out on all the BS you’re spouting (and continue to spout) on this thread, and you couldn’t back up an ounce of it. 
 

I’m also not here to give you a lessons in American civics, so have a nice rest of 2020 on this thread. 

P.S. I would never imagine daring to come on here acting like an expert on British politics, and I certainly wouldn’t dare to make claims about the whims of a political district from another country (and not to someone who’s from there), especially if I had to resort to haphazard google searches to try to back up my points. 

You have every right to discuss British politics if you're inclined. That freedom exists for everyone.

 

When I criticize AOC, I criticize her based on what she's done for her district and the content of her speech.

She seems to be more interested in pushing her own persona in Washington than taking care of issues back home in NY. For someone with a bachelor in economics, she knows little about her field of study.

How come she let it come this far in the 14th District becoming the most infected place in all of Manhattan? Why did self-isolation not work out here?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/politics/coronavirus-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html

 

The 52% approval rating in comparison to the other major politicians isn't really much of a surprise when you look at the others' track record and failures. That number is from 2019 and surely also down to the novelty and "fresh face" factor back then, I wonder that the approval rating is today.

Same goes for all the other mentioned percentages in her favour.

 

Cabrera can count, you just misread his quote. Both sentences are correct. She was voted down 57-0, including all of her (43) Democrat colleagues.

 

Her voters certainly don't identify with Democratic Socialism, and that for a good reason. "Socialism" is frowned upon in most of the Western World. And as you know, many of her constituents come from countries where the Socialist Experiment has failed (miserably).

 

In times like these, unprecedented for the last four, five generations, it's hard to judge or criticize rather unique political decisions on a national level now, as the virus is still ongoing. That's something to discuss in the months or years to come, looking back.

Stimulus bills are needed in any case, as businesses would otherwise struggle and go bankrupt more easily. The question remains whether they'll be able to pay back all these credits.

We'll see lots of businesses going bust in the next few weeks and months regardless, but you could equally blame them for not prepping up for such a scenario.

If anything, it shows the lack of liquidity and the clouds some of these businesses are built on.

AOC does not realize that, instead stands out thanks to an impressive, but stupid quote.

 

It sounds kind of odd for a person such as AOC to go against the grain in this regard, when she's the one pushing for medicare for all, free tuition at public colleges and a federal jobs guarantee. All government money.

 

To me, AOC is mostly show, famous for her personality, but not her political achievements, no bills passed, wacky, unrealistic ideas. The Green New Deal, not allowing Amazon in NY, for instance.

She's confident, I salute her for that. Sadly. she's highly incompetent also.

[Lionator]

I tend to agree with @MattP. Polling in the all important swing states seem to be in favour of Biden right now, although take polls with a pinch of salt. For example, he's on average 8 points ahead in Michigan. It's even 43%-43% in Texas at the moment in the latest polls which would be incredible. A democrat hasn't won Texas since Carter in 76. Trump's handling of the virus has been predictably shambolic and if the upsurge in deaths in America continues then I can't see how Trump will maintain support of the swing voters. Maybe he'll start a war or something.

[leicsmac]

Yeah, I'm not getting the argument that Trump will carry a larger majority than what he got in 2016 when vast swathes of polling data suggest otherwise and Covid-19 is tearing things up over there and will likely continue to do so til election day.

 

Of course, the data wasn't in his favour in 2016 (though 538 did give him a 30%ish chance on the day) so such things can happen. All things point towards a pretty close race so honestly I don't get the arguments for it being a foregone conclusion either way beyond mere hunches.

[Jattdogg]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Yeah, I'm not getting the argument that Trump will carry a larger majority than what he got in 2016 when vast swathes of polling data suggest otherwise and Covid-19 is tearing things up over there and will likely continue to do so til election day.

 

Of course, the data wasn't in his favour in 2016 (though 538 did give him a 30%ish chance on the day) so such things can happen. All things point towards a pretty close race so honestly I don't get the arguments for it being a foregone conclusion either way beyond mere hunches.

He surprised us once so take nothing off the table. Wait till he kills biden in debates with his funny insults. His base love that shit and it pulls people in. Sad, but true.

7 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Re-watched the first episode of Fringe last night, got me thinking 
Some serious X Files, Outer Limits sh!t going on...and now the Hadron Collider..

Too much at one time. Cannot be a coincidence, must ask Davie.

Fringe was one of the greatest shows ive ever watched.  America needed more basic programming lol. Orrrrrr perhaps i am the thick one. Very possible!

[The_77]

I guess I need to repeat that I was not getting into a debate over AOC, @MC Prussian. I was calling you out for acting like you are an expert on such local matters from matters from thousands of miles away, for not showing the best grasp our the how government is structured here, and for presenting certain ideas as facts. Alas, we go again.

 

3 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

You have every right to discuss British politics if you're inclined. That freedom exists for everyone.

 

I never said I didn't and I have that right. I only said I wouldn't act like an expert about another country's politics (like you are) and I wouldn't make claims about the whims of a specific district (like you did), especially considering you were wrong in what you presented as facts.

3 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

When I criticize AOC, I criticize her based on what she's done for her district and the content of her speech.

She seems to be more interested in pushing her own persona in Washington than taking care of issues back home in NY. For someone with a bachelor in economics, she knows little about her field of study.

How come she let it come this far in the 14th District becoming the most infected place in all of Manhattan? Why did self-isolation not work out here?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/politics/coronavirus-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html

 

If's completely ridiculous to blame any one Congressional representative (especially a freshman rep) for the spread of COVID in his or her district. Those policies are down to the mayor, municipal council, and state government, especially a freshman rep. I think you'll find that she's actually incredibly engaged with her district, more so than most other members of Congress, as the NY Times not only highlighted with examples but even explicitly stated.

 

The 14th District is also comprised of neighborhoods in the Bronx and Queens, not Manhattan. AOC didn't let it come that far in letting areas of that district get hit so hard by the virus, that's a completely asinine statement to make. Many of those areas are incredibly densely populated with working class and immigrant communities who don't have the luxury of working from home like people do in other more white-collar neighborhoods. Add the high asthma and other co-morbidity rates of those neighborhoods to the mix, and it's no surprise that this district is experiencing high rates of infections and death. Astoria, where I live (half of which is in her district), has one of the lowest rates of infection and COVID-related death. These dynamics have been going on for generations.

 

She voted against the stimulus bill, knowing it will pass, as another way of having it on record that she felt it should go further. I doubt she would have if she knew she was the swing vote that could doom any chance of relief. You're taking that vote to show that she's not doing anything for her district and is responsible for the spread of the virus there, and that is not based in any sort of reality.

3 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

 

The 52% approval rating in comparison to the other major politicians isn't really much of a surprise when you look at the others' track record and failures. That number is from 2019 and surely also down to the novelty and "fresh face" factor back then, I wonder that the approval rating is today.

 

Same goes for all the other mentioned percentages in her favour.

 

Cabrera can count, you just misread his quote. Both sentences are correct. She was voted down 57-0, including all of her (43) Democrat colleagues.

 

 Ok, well, there's a primary coming up in June, so you'll get to find out about AOC and Cabrera.

 

3 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Her voters certainly don't identify with Democratic Socialism, and that for a good reason. "Socialism" is frowned upon in most of the Western World. And as you know, many of her constituents come from countries where the Socialist Experiment has failed (miserably).

The only things I'm going to say about this ridiculous comment are: that, again, it's not the damn point. You claimed her constituents are fed up with her. You posted an article to support that fact but the article showed that the majority of her constituents support her policies and approve of her as their rep. I already told you that it's no surmise that most don't consider themselves socialists and that we can probably say that about every district in the whole country.

 

4 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

In times like these, unprecedented for the last four, five generations, it's hard to judge or criticize rather unique political decisions on a national level now, as the virus is still ongoing. That's something to discuss in the months or years to come, looking back.

I agree and I suggest you start doing the same.

 

4 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Stimulus bills are needed in any case, as businesses would otherwise struggle and go bankrupt more easily. The question remains whether they'll be able to pay back all these credits.

We'll see lots of businesses going bust in the next few weeks and months regardless, but you could equally blame them for not prepping up for such a scenario.

If anything, it shows the lack of liquidity and the clouds some of these businesses are built on.

All fair points.

 

4 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

AOC does not realize that, instead stands out thanks to an impressive, but stupid quote.

 

It sounds kind of odd for a person such as AOC to go against the grain in this regard, when she's the one pushing for medicare for all, free tuition at public colleges and a federal jobs guarantee. All government money.

 

To me, AOC is mostly show, famous for her personality, but not her political achievements, no bills passed, wacky, unrealistic ideas. The Green New Deal, not allowing Amazon in NY, for instance.

She's confident, I salute her for that. Sadly. she's highly incompetent also.

I don't think that's all she stands out for but, whatever, it doesn't matter.

 

You're entitled to your political opinions, I was certainly not trying to stop you from having them. If that's what you think about her, fine but that's not what I was addressing when it came to your posts on this thread.

[leicsmac]

To answer the question on the Covid thread, while he's of course pointed the finger at China before I'm not entirely sure Trump has made that exact "ask China" point to other reporters in that pointed a fashion, nor would he have done it in that way or been so subsequently dismissive if the reporter had not been Asian American or a woman. And I'm evidently not alone on that one.

 

Of course, given the polarisation that exists around the man everyone is going to have a different interpretation of such events that they will stick to so your mileage may vary.

 

I think one thing that might be agreed upon however is that it is totally unbecoming of a statesman - but that is nothing new.

 

Edit: in the interests of balance I will say that Trump does appear to be taking the shooting in Georgia in the manner it probably should be taken.

 

Edited 12 May 2020 by leicsmac

[DGriff]

Does Biden genuinely have dementia.  Sometimes he can barely speak a sentence.  It is very sad.  The third favorite is Hilary in the betting odds.

[Detroit Blues]

17 hours ago, DGriff said:

Does Biden genuinely have dementia.  Sometimes he can barely speak a sentence.  It is very sad.  The third favorite is Hilary in the betting odds.

To be fair, Trump has the same issue. Maybe just, less pronounced.

 

It is depressing that we are choosing between two dinosaurs. In fact, i'd rather vote for that inflatable one @Cheese lost.

[Jattdogg]

13 hours ago, Detroit Blues said:

To be fair, Trump has the same issue. Maybe just, less pronounced.

 

It is depressing that we are choosing between two dinosaurs. In fact, i'd rather vote for that inflatable one @Cheese lost.

Hundreds of millions of citizens and this is the best america can do

[st albans fox]

Latest polling shows trump behind in the popular vote (51-46) but ahead in the swing states (52-45) ..........  

 

crucially, trump is trusted more than Biden on economy and by the time we get to polling day, I’m pretty sure it’s going to be the recovery of the economy which will be centre stage. The virus may not have gone away but the republican narrative will be that a vaccine is just around the corner and we will have found some therapeutic tools to allay some of the fears .....

 

 

[Lionator]

Do we know what this supposed Obamagate is yet? Or is it just some sort of cryptic distraction to try and change the narrative?