Lionator Posted 19 May 2020 Author Share Posted 19 May 2020 2 hours ago, MC Prussian said: I don't see what all the fuss is about with these nit-picked statements. Employees can still refuse not to look after their boss's dog, picking up dry cleaning or making dinner reservations. Unless it's illegal to ask. Otherwise, of course, it may be somewhat odd or more extraordinary, but "wrong"? How often did this take place? Once, twice? Shocking! That's just an opinion, and we all know everyone has one. This is why I don't do Twitter, it's an echo chamber, limited space allows for limited statements, and thus it all becomes rather toxic and self-serving. As for taking hydroxychloroquine, the drug has been approved in my country for over 20 years and I've never heard of any serious side effects connected to it or people dying as a consequence of taking it. It does have its potential side effects, just like any other drug, one of the more severe but also ultra-rare ones being cardiac arrhythmia, which isn't "fatal" per se. But hey, who needs facts when you can have Twitter outrage? It's hardly a nit-picked statement or twitter outrage is it? You can watch these press conferences every night on youtube. There's barely a minute that goes by where he doesn't lie or say something completely outrageous. And just because a drug is approved, it doesn't mean that people should just be prescribed it willy-nilly. You wouldn't take an approved chemotherapy drug to prevent you from getting cancer while trashing the scientists who are saying "actually this doesn't work for cancer anyway". He's a dangerous idiot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 19 May 2020 Share Posted 19 May 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Lionator said: It's hardly a nit-picked statement or twitter outrage is it? You can watch these press conferences every night on youtube. There's barely a minute that goes by where he doesn't lie or say something completely outrageous. And just because a drug is approved, it doesn't mean that people should just be prescribed it willy-nilly. You wouldn't take an approved chemotherapy drug to prevent you from getting cancer while trashing the scientists who are saying "actually this doesn't work for cancer anyway". He's a dangerous idiot. There's two matters here - the press conferences and the reactions to them. Let's separate them for argument's sake. Lying is one thing, saying "something outrageous" another. One could potentially include legal action (if it's proven to be unlawful), the other is just pure self-serving aggrandisement by loons on Twitter (and elsewhere), with some people buying into it without much resistance. I haven't heard Trump claim hydroxychloroquine being a "one-for-all" solution or that he's forcing the population to use it. There's also the responsibility of doctors and drugstores (depending on the availability) to hand out prescriptions - if the prescription is justified. Just based on that tiny snippet, all he says is that he is allegedly using it and that it hasn't hurt him. Science doesn't know yet whether the drug is working against coronavirus or not, studies are still underway: https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731 Your comparison to chemotherapy or cancer treatments thus falls flat. Trump isn't dangerous (well, to whom exactly? To mankind, the US or simply just the Democrats? Why?), nor is he an idiot. Part of these claims are made up by the (US) mainstream media, who still want him gone so desperately. Sure, he does come up with the odd blunder here and there and his vocabulary and demeanor aren't so presidential (compared to some of those who came before him). As far as I can tell, he hasn't started a war yet and until coronavirus came along, the US economy was going pretty strong. He may not be a great, sympathetic or convincing president, but he's the president the US deserve at this point. Edited 19 May 2020 by MC Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 19 May 2020 Share Posted 19 May 2020 7 hours ago, leicsmac said: ...and if the man were solely on the stand-up circuit it would be really damn funny. But he isn't. That's the funniest bit!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 19 May 2020 Share Posted 19 May 2020 2 hours ago, MC Prussian said: There's two matters here - the press conferences and the reactions to them. Let's separate them for argument's sake. Lying is one thing, saying "something outrageous" another. One could potentially include legal action (if it's proven to be unlawful), the other is just pure self-serving aggrandisement by loons on Twitter (and elsewhere), with some people buying into it without much resistance. I haven't heard Trump claim hydroxychloroquine being a "one-for-all" solution or that he's forcing the population to use it. There's also the responsibility of doctors and drugstores (depending on the availability) to hand out prescriptions - if the prescription is justified. Just based on that tiny snippet, all he says is that he is allegedly using it and that it hasn't hurt him. Science doesn't know yet whether the drug is working against coronavirus or not, studies are still underway: https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731 Your comparison to chemotherapy or cancer treatments thus falls flat. Trump isn't dangerous (well, to whom exactly? To mankind, the US or simply just the Democrats? Why?), nor is he an idiot. Part of these claims are made up by the (US) mainstream media, who still want him gone so desperately. Sure, he does come up with the odd blunder here and there and his vocabulary and demeanor aren't so presidential (compared to some of those who came before him). As far as I can tell, he hasn't started a war yet and until coronavirus came along, the US economy was going pretty strong. He may not be a great, sympathetic or convincing president, but he's the president the US deserve at this point. I'm just going to focus on this one part here - is the inference here that Trump has not lied at any point in his press conferences, merely "said outrageous things", because that seems to be the inference? I'm interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 If these polls are true Florida is a must win for Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 He surely can't win an election right now can he? I know Biden is absolutely nothing to celebrate but Trump is a total car crash right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magictv Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 14 minutes ago, MattP said: If these polls are true Florida is a must win for Trump. Are those numbers in the other states listed worse than expected for Trump then? Are they the more important swing states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 19 minutes ago, Bryn said: He surely can't win an election right now can he? I know Biden is absolutely nothing to celebrate but Trump is a total car crash right now. In the middle of a pandemic it would be extremely difficult, it's certainly possible he could win if the election was fought on economic recovery though. The debates are a big problem for Biden as well as he's not the sharpest mind off the cuff. 10 minutes ago, Magictv said: Are those numbers in the other states listed worse than expected for Trump then? Are they the more important swing states? Those numbers are awful for Trump, he holds Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and even the margin of error doesn't have him within reach on that. The 18% of "don't knows" in Florida and North Carolina could be deciding the Presidency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 Trump will get those left back to work, economic shoots of recovery, democrats feckless, recency bias along with all of that will see him have another term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 1 minute ago, MattP said: In the middle of a pandemic it would be extremely difficult, it's certainly possible he could win if the election was fought on economic recovery though. The debates are a big problem for Biden as well as he's not the sharpest mind off the cuff. Those numbers are awful for Trump, he holds Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and even the margin of error doesn't have him within reach on that. The 18% of "don't knows" in Florida and North Carolina could be deciding the Presidency. Biden is awful, but I think at this stage it truly is anyone but Trump. The American party political system really is a mess isn't it? They need to get past the two party system urgently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 2 minutes ago, Bryn said: Biden is awful, but I think at this stage it truly is anyone but Trump. The American party political system really is a mess isn't it? They need to get past the two party system urgently. Two party system is fine, it's worked for years. The problem is candidates, Trump was effectively an independent who successfully railroaded a Republican party looking the other way and only started to fight him when it was too late. Then the Democrats picked Hilary Clinton, she lost and they then spent three years moaning and trying to bring Trump down instead of sorting out the party - because of that they then followed that up by managing to have a contest between a dementia patient and a batty old socialist. The bookies have it 50/50 and you can see why, if I was American I'd be taking the exact sane position as I did in 2016 and wouldn't vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 Those polls make me hopeful (Trump needs Florida and at least one other from those six) but quite frankly given the year so far goodness only knows what the situation is going to be in November when voting day actually comes round. The only hope I have right now is that the Repub efforts at voter suppression of certain demographics are addressed with the seriousness they deserve and as such the outcome is at least fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 22 May 2020 Author Share Posted 22 May 2020 2 hours ago, MattP said: In the middle of a pandemic it would be extremely difficult, it's certainly possible he could win if the election was fought on economic recovery though. The debates are a big problem for Biden as well as he's not the sharpest mind off the cuff. Those numbers are awful for Trump, he holds Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and even the margin of error doesn't have him within reach on that. The 18% of "don't knows" in Florida and North Carolina could be deciding the Presidency. You can say that again!! https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1263812635235102721?s=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 22 May 2020 Author Share Posted 22 May 2020 I've come around to the idea of Biden winning although I despise a lot of what he stands for. Mainly however I'd be excited to see Trump being escorted out of the white house by the authorities after refusing to budge. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 2 hours ago, Lionator said: You can say that again!! https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1263812635235102721?s=20 Jesus These debates are going to be absolutely mental. I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 22 May 2020 Share Posted 22 May 2020 Keep acting like an adult and Biden might just come out of this scandal with more votes than he entered it with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2020 Share Posted 23 May 2020 11 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: Keep acting like an adult and Biden might just come out of this scandal with more votes than he entered it with. Problem is he's going to spout stuff like this all the time while he's on his own, I didn't think he was part of that identity politics clan that believes they own black votes but he must be otherwise he just wouldn't say it. Trump hasn't wasted any time, I'm buying one of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 23 May 2020 Share Posted 23 May 2020 17 minutes ago, MattP said: Problem is he's going to spout stuff like this all the time while he's on his own, I didn't think he was part of that identity politics clan that believes they own black votes but he must be otherwise he just wouldn't say it. Trump hasn't wasted any time, I'm buying one of these Good to see you doing your bit to help his re-election, Matt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 May 2020 Share Posted 23 May 2020 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Good to see you doing your bit to help his re-election, Matt! Think I've told you this before but I actually collect election memorabilia, I have a feeling this election might produce a few collectables before it's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 23 May 2020 Share Posted 23 May 2020 3 minutes ago, MattP said: Think I've told you this before but I actually collect election memorabilia, I have a feeling this election might produce a few collectables before it's over. And where would we be without hobbies? I'm not sure about the amount of memorable memorabilia being produced as a result of this election but I'm pretty sure it isn't going to be predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 23 May 2020 Share Posted 23 May 2020 Trump will capitalize on sloppy joes comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 23 May 2020 Share Posted 23 May 2020 55 minutes ago, MattP said: Problem is he's going to spout stuff like this all the time while he's on his own, I didn't think he was part of that identity politics clan that believes they own black votes but he must be otherwise he just wouldn't say it. Trump hasn't wasted any time, I'm buying one of these Fair play, he's definitely got an audience for shirts like that. And it's certainly a more catchy slogan than "maybe hate is what we need" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 23 May 2020 Share Posted 23 May 2020 The US system seems thoroughly undemocratic and set up by design to create culture wars. It will only get worse as the US loses its monopoly on the global stage, patriotism has always been the factor that bound them together post civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 25 May 2020 Share Posted 25 May 2020 (edited) What on Earth is this thing with Trump and Joe Scarborough? Is it just nonsense? Edited 25 May 2020 by Dahnsouff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 27 May 2020 Share Posted 27 May 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52815552 What is the phrase? "The first sign of a cult is the leader saying that everyone else is lying to you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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