Coronavirus Thread

[Phube]

4 minutes ago, Strokes said:

We get so much money wastage in servicing and maintaining hospitals fire alarms.

Sat around for hours on end waiting for permits to be signed. One time I waited 6 hours (2 men) for one.

Ha, I’m one of those who makes smoke detector checkers wait for permits (literally did this Friday!) but at least I send them away until I’m ready for them, who makes you wait? Seems odd!

[Super_horns]

We either seem to have people who feel it's nothing to worry about and just getting on with life and then others who think it's going to lead to real issues - be it death or large cases of serious illness.

I am sure most though are in the middle somewhere - having tests and keeping to the restrictions but not locking themselves away hardly going out.
 

[Phube]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Yet again, the VAST majority of poorly people with covid in hospital are the unvaccinated

FFS, who are the ‘anti-vaxxers’ and what fookin planet are these morons living on?

 

Brexit land of sunny uplands!?

[The Year Of The Fox]

7 minutes ago, Strokes said:

We get so much money wastage in servicing and maintaining hospitals fire alarms.

Sat around for hours on end waiting for permits to be signed. One time I waited 6 hours (2 men) for one.

Unnecessary red tape in many aspects. 
 

Permits to work

Hot work permits

Working at heights

 

You name it, there’s a piece of paper about it and a signature required on it 😂

[dsr-burnley]

55 minutes ago, Phube said:

Just a question, as an NHS worker, who manages the multi million pound budgets each department/directorate gets when you fire all the middle managers?

Where do you find all these trained frontline staff now we’ve so brilliantly Brexited and can’t get anyone in (particularly bad in my specialism Nationwide)?

 

Also the NHS annual leave runs April to March, therefore no-one is fixed to use it in the winter busy period!

I don't think anyone was proposing to fire all the middle managers - just some of them.

 

My local NHS trust (East Lancashire) had, based on the 2018-19 accounts which was the last "normal" year, 7,161 staff, of whom 2,155 were admin and estates staff.  That's a smidgeon over 30% of the staff not doing medical work.

 

As a comparison, Ibstock (similar sized plc) have 2,310 staff, 269 of them admin.  11.6%.  A far more reasonable ratio. 

 

Incidentall,y re. Brexit, Brexit has no impact whatsoever on our ability to import foreign workers.  The government can allow or not allow as many foreign workers as it pleases. If they can't get foreign nurses, it will be because of covid, not Brexit.

Edited 19 December 2021 by dsr-burnley

[Strokes]

5 minutes ago, Phube said:

Ha, I’m one of those who makes smoke detector checkers wait for permits (literally did this Friday!) but at least I send them away until I’m ready for them, who makes you wait? Seems odd!

The estates teams, we have to get permits to shutdown parts of the system for repair works. 
It’s pretty planned, they called us in.

Madness.

[Phube]

1 minute ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Unnecessary red tape in many aspects. 
 

Permits to work

Hot work permits

Working at heights

 

You name it, there’s a piece of paper about it and a signature required on it 😂

Yup, you should just let workmen pile into a Radiation work area, or a clean room environment or maybe an infectious diseases quarantine zone or maybe even a reverse barriered patient area!

 

It would save so much time I reckon. 

[Strokes]

4 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Unnecessary red tape in many aspects. 
 

Permits to work

Hot work permits

Working at heights

 

You name it, there’s a piece of paper about it and a signature required on it 😂

Well I understand why these permits are needed, we are working on a life safety system that covers the entire hospital. The risks need to be known but often these are sent in advance, so it should be prepared.

[The Year Of The Fox]

17 minutes ago, Strokes said:

We get so much money wastage in servicing and maintaining hospitals fire alarms.

Sat around for hours on end waiting for permits to be signed. One time I waited 6 hours (2 men) for one.

Before Serco (I think it was) took over at Glenfield, they had their own in house plumbers. (I know because after the failed ward refurbishments, one of our lads jumped ship and worked for Glenfield Hospital directly)

 

They’d have very basic jobs to do throughout the day. Most of it though involved sitting round drinking tea. When any bigger jobs came in, they’d do it as overtime (double time) so as not to interrupt their daily routine of basically doing very little. 
 

These bigger jobs were quite frequent though, so all the plumbers there were on a very very nice wage. 
 

And people talk like privatising various parts of the NHS is a bad thing 😅

 

A government needs to totally reform the organisation, but none will ever have the guts, as it would stir up hornets nest after hornets nest. 

 

Edited 19 December 2021 by The Year Of The Fox

[The Year Of The Fox]

2 minutes ago, Phube said:

Yup, you should just let workmen pile into a Radiation work area, or a clean room environment or maybe an infectious diseases quarantine zone or maybe even a reverse barriered patient area!

 

It would save so much time I reckon. 

On the other hand, I know from experience that my blowtorch is hot. I also know that having a fire inside a building isn’t a good thing. 
 

I don't need to sign something to tell me that 😅

[Phube]

3 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

I don't think anyone was proposing to fire all the middle managers - just some of them.

 

My local NHS trust (East Lancashire) had, based on the 2018-19 accounts which was the last "normal" year, 7,161 staff, of whom 2,155 were admin and estates staff.  That's a smidgeon over 30% of the staff not doing medical work.

 

As a comparison, Ibstock (similar sized plc) have 2,310 staff, 269 of them admin.  11.6%.  A far more reasonable ratio. 

 

Incidentall,y re. Brexit, Brexit has no impact whatsoever on our ability to import foreign workers.  The government can allow or not allow as many foreign workers as it pleases. If they can't get foreign nurses, it will be because of covid, not Brexit.

Aaaah the classic only Doctors and Nurses do work in hospital trope! Thank god those Nurses can solve the electrical power outages, clean the wards, sort the rubbish collections, cook the food organise cross charging to different hospitals and private companies for services, pay themselves sort out HR matters set the budget all whilst giving optimum patient care!

 

Yes Brexit has a massive effect on those non-nursing roles that are not on the Government list because they are not registered professions or pay below £28,000 are not skilled enough but no bugger else in the country seems to want to do the job.

[The Year Of The Fox]

5 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Well I understand why these permits are needed, we are working on a life safety system that covers the entire hospital. The risks need to be known but often these are sent in advance, so it should be prepared.

Some are obviously important of course. 
 

Others are pure common sense 

[Zear0]

25 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

I don't think anyone was proposing to fire all the middle managers - just some of them.

 

My local NHS trust (East Lancashire) had, based on the 2018-19 accounts which was the last "normal" year, 7,161 staff, of whom 2,155 were admin and estates staff.  That's a smidgeon over 30% of the staff not doing medical work.

 

As a comparison, Ibstock (similar sized plc) have 2,310 staff, 269 of them admin.  11.6%.  A far more reasonable ratio. 

 

Incidentall,y re. Brexit, Brexit has no impact whatsoever on our ability to import foreign workers.  The government can allow or not allow as many foreign workers as it pleases. If they can't get foreign nurses, it will be because of covid, not Brexit.

In my early career, before I left the place, I used to work for an international engineering company. The CEO was going through some metrics about staff skills and such and fewer than 50% of people on payroll were engineers. In my experience now in consulting, 30% is actually on the lower end of "support" staff as mad as that seems. The world of finance and HR has ballooned this decade. 

Edited 19 December 2021 by Zear0

[StanSP]

I'm getting desperately concerned as each day goes by that we may not be able to go on the honeymoon in New Year that we've planned for just over 12 months

 

[leicsmac]

A lot of contributions overnight, then.

 

I think I'm just going to repeat this as it still seems to apply:

 

On 08/12/2021 at 21:12, leicsmac said:

Alternatively:

 

"We can't go on with restrictions to pay for that space mission to deflect that asteroid. It's my choice to let it land, after all"

 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Before Serco (I think it was) took over at Glenfield, they had their own in house plumbers. (I know because after the failed ward refurbishments, one of our lads jumped ship and worked for Glenfield Hospital directly)

 

They’d have very basic jobs to do throughout the day. Most of it though involved sitting round drinking tea. When any bigger jobs came in, they’d do it as overtime (double time) so as not to interrupt their daily routine of basically doing very little. 
 

These bigger jobs were quite frequent though, so all the plumbers there were on a very very nice wage. 
 

And people talk like privatising various parts of the NHS is a bad thing 😅

 

A government needs to totally reform the organisation, but none will ever have the guts, as it would stir up hornets nest after hornets nest. 

 

People talk like that because they know it likely wouldn't end at the "various" parts. Slippery slope in full effect.

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

I don't think anyone was proposing to fire all the middle managers - just some of them.

 

My local NHS trust (East Lancashire) had, based on the 2018-19 accounts which was the last "normal" year, 7,161 staff, of whom 2,155 were admin and estates staff.  That's a smidgeon over 30% of the staff not doing medical work.

 

As a comparison, Ibstock (similar sized plc) have 2,310 staff, 269 of them admin.  11.6%.  A far more reasonable ratio. 

 

Incidentall,y re. Brexit, Brexit has no impact whatsoever on our ability to import foreign workers.  The government can allow or not allow as many foreign workers as it pleases. If they can't get foreign nurses, it will be because of covid, not Brexit.

It takes a lot of people to keep a hospital facility running effectively so the medical staff can concentrate on their jobs.

[Strokes]

6 hours ago, StanSP said:

I'm getting desperately concerned as each day goes by that we may not be able to go on the honeymoon in New Year that we've planned for just over 12 months

 

It’s ****ing bleak isn’t it?

Im sick of moving and cancelling holidays. 
We’ve still not successfully managed one that wasn’t uk based since this all began.

Really hope you get to go Stan.

[The Year Of The Fox]

7 hours ago, Phube said:

Brexit land of sunny uplands!?

Staunch Brexiteer here, waiting until Wednesday for my booster jab 

😘

[grobyfox1990]

8 hours ago, Phube said:

Brexit land of sunny uplands!?

Weird you’d bring brexit into it. 51.9% voted leave but 70% are fully jabbed and 40% are boosted!! What part of the brexit manifesto advocated anti vaccines?!

[String fellow]

Yesterday, Piers Corbyn apparently told a large crowd in London to 'hammer to death those scum' who voted in favour of some of the new Covid-19 restrictions in the Commons. Putting it another way, he appeared to be encouraging people to murder MPs. Surely he fits the description of being 'semi-braindead' rather better than Lord Frost, who btw gained a 1st class degree at Oxford.

[The Year Of The Fox]

16 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Weird you’d bring brexit into it. 51.9% voted leave but 70% are fully jabbed and 40% are boosted!! What part of the brexit manifesto advocated anti vaccines?!

Unbelievably bitter this poster is isn’t he/she 😂

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, Strokes said:

It’s ****ing bleak isn’t it?

Im sick of moving and cancelling holidays. 
We’ve still not successfully managed one that wasn’t uk based since this all began.

Really hope you get to go Stan.

Thanks mate. Selfishly, don't really care what happens after, just want to get there! 

[Farrington fox]

So now it’s been revealed, SAGE were only modelling for worst case scenario’s. Re Omicron. 

 

[Strokes]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Thanks mate. Selfishly, don't really care what happens after, just want to get there! 

Understandable given it’s your honeymoon.

Fingers crossed.