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STEVIE B

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Surely the Sky team should be a bit more critical of Englands tactics.

l get why India are getting praised & rightly so, they’ve been very good in all 3 Tests.

 

Could the lack of criticism towards England be because they don’t want to upset their mates, therefore possibly getting no interviews etc ? 

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leicsmac

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Just now, James and his giant peach said:

Its not reactionary though is it? They've played brainless cricket for two tests on the bounce. There's a sense of arrogance and stupidity with the batting which is hurting them. 

When this team is having the same run of results as the team before it (eg. before the change in playing style), then it is not reactionary. 

 

The last time I checked, it wasn't. 

 

I agree that things could be better, but the current commentary by various talking heads just screams throwing the baby out with the bathwater and going back to the previous way of playing - which, again, wasn't all that successful. 

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7 minutes ago, STEVIE B said:

Surely the Sky team should be a bit more critical of Englands tactics.

l get why India are getting praised & rightly so, they’ve been very good in all 3 Tests.

 

Could the lack of criticism towards England be because they don’t want to upset their mates, therefore possibly getting no interviews etc ? 

I think Hussain and Atherton are fair and critical of both. 

James and his giant peach

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Just now, leicsmac said:

When this team is having the same run of results as the team before it (eg. before the change in playing style), then it is not reactionary. 

 

The last time I checked, it wasn't. 

 

I agree that things could be better, but the current commentary by various talking heads just screams throwing the baby out with the bathwater and going back to the previous way of playing - which, again, wasn't all that successful. 

But they will have the same results if they keep playing this way. We will lose this series, India are better, and Australias bowling attack will wipe the floor with us too. 

 

No one is saying change the confidence the attacking style but use your head. When you ten mins from lunch, Brook has tried to launch one into orbit and got out, Crawley gets out the same way each game, Pope bats his first 30 balls like a tailender, changes to personnel and playing to the situation need to brought in, and players especially in the top order need to be held accountable. 

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STEVIE B

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2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

When this team is having the same run of results as the team before it (eg. before the change in playing style), then it is not reactionary. 

 

The last time I checked, it wasn't. 

 

I agree that things could be better, but the current commentary by various talking heads just screams throwing the baby out with the bathwater and going back to the previous way of playing - which, again, wasn't all that successful. 

I totally get what you’re saying. Bazball is fantastic, sometimes against the better sides Bazball with brains is just as effective. It’s not as simple as going back to the old style of batting or the new way. The opinions are really interesting. 

 

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The questions that get asked of this Stokes side are the same that have been asked pretty much throughout his leadership. Crawley, Pope and Bashir are not test quality players.  I think Pope has an argument at number 5 but arguably the strength of this team is the middle order.

 

I think they cross that line of self-confidence to arrogance. They back their own (mediocre) ability over common sense and that costs them far too many test matches.

 

Good vibes over good cricket will always see them lose more than they will win.

leicsmac

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Just now, James and his giant peach said:

But they will have the same results if they keep playing this way. We will lose this series, India are better, and Australias bowling attack will wipe the floor with us too. 

 

No one is saying change the confidence the attacking style but use your head. When you ten mins from lunch, Brook has tried to launch one into orbit and got out, Crawley gets out the same way each game, Pope bats his first 30 balls like a tailender, changes to personnel and playing to the situation need to brought in, and players especially in the top order need to be held accountable. 

They haven't had that kind of run of results yet. Perhaps I'm willing to have a little more patience than most, though. 

 

I'm reasonably sure there are a few people wanting a wholesale change of style, but leaving that aside for a moment, I do agree that changes in personnel are needed (Bethell for Pope, and anyone for Crawley, for instance). 

 

Actually having any or more than one of six first choice seam bowlers might help too - I honestly didn't know the injury problems were that bad. 

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RowlattsFox

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We lost lots of test matches before bazball. Looks bad when it doesn't work for the likes Brook, but Pant is the same, sometimes they will ride their luck and get big scores. 

Top order need to be more reliable, but more importantly you can't let the opposition get 400 every time and expect to win all the time. 

 

 

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STEVIE B

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4 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

The questions that get asked of this Stokes side are the same that have been asked pretty much throughout his leadership. Crawley, Pope and Bashir are not test quality players.  I think Pope has an argument at number 5 but arguably the strength of this team is the middle order.

 

I think they cross that line of self-confidence to arrogance. They back their own (mediocre) ability over common sense and that costs them far too many test matches.

 

Good vibes over good cricket will always see them lose more than they will win.

Great post. 

leicsmac

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4 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

The questions that get asked of this Stokes side are the same that have been asked pretty much throughout his leadership. Crawley, Pope and Bashir are not test quality players.  I think Pope has an argument at number 5 but arguably the strength of this team is the middle order.

 

I think they cross that line of self-confidence to arrogance. They back their own (mediocre) ability over common sense and that costs them far too many test matches.

 

Good vibes over good cricket will always see them lose more than they will win.

24 wins, 12 losses, one draw. 

 

Hmmmmm.

 

Do agree regarding the three players mentioned, though. 

leicsmac

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Hopefully we'll see the return of Wood, Atkinson, Robinson, etc sooner rather than later.

 

It's probably true that we miss Broad and Anderson more in these conditions than anyone thought, too.

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