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The Ashes 21/22

By Lako42, in General Football and Sport

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Voll Blau

Voll Blau

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54 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I just can't wait for it to be all over tbh. The whole tour has been painful to watch.

The worst thing was we all knew it was coming a mile off.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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2 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

The worst thing was we all knew it was coming a mile off.

Yep.

 

Thing is though, gutting the squad, chopping and changing probably isn't going to help either. I'm honestly not sure what the solution is as there seems to be no higher order bats able to make the jump from county to Test level and certainly no quality spinner in sight, both of which are sorely needed.

Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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15 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Yep.

 

Thing is though, gutting the squad, chopping and changing probably isn't going to help either. I'm honestly not sure what the solution is as there seems to be no higher order bats able to make the jump from county to Test level and certainly no quality spinner in sight, both of which are sorely needed.

Issue is there are players at county level who have been performing but haven't been given any kind of chance yet. It was hard to justify picking Crawley and Hameed based on county form, there's others who are justified in their test selections based on county form such as Burns and Pope. However moving forward it's hard to keep justifiying the selection at test level of Burns, Malan, Hameed and possibly Crawley (albeit he's shown some glimpses, well 2 innings in his test career is it?). Pope's age and consistency at county level probably shows he's worth persisting with. 

 

 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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5 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Issue is there are players at county level who have been performing but haven't been given any kind of chance yet. It was hard to justify picking Crawley and Hameed based on county form, there's others who are justified in their test selections based on county form such as Burns and Pope. However moving forward it's hard to keep justifiying the selection at test level of Burns, Malan, Hameed and possibly Crawley (albeit he's shown some glimpses, well 2 innings in his test career is it?). Pope's age and consistency at county level probably shows he's worth persisting with. 

 

 

And using county form as a yardstick is often inaccurate as well, yeah.

 

Honestly, as per above, I'm not sure of the best way to build a winning Test team ala 2010-2013 from what we have right now, other than by being lucky enough to find some stars.

Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And using county form as a yardstick is often inaccurate as well, yeah.

 

Honestly, as per above, I'm not sure of the best way to build a winning Test team ala 2010-2013 from what we have right now, other than by being lucky enough to find some stars.

But how else are you judging players really, it's all you have to go on (additionally picking players who haven't even performed at that level is poor) Players like Foakes have shown they should be playing test cricket but he gets shafted by the selectors.

Duquesne Whistle

Duquesne Whistle

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It's times like these when the brief spell of Jason Roy as an England test opener now seems like a modern times highlight..

The bowlers again showing that they can do a job. You have to feel sorry for them punishing their bodies day in, day out, only to find themselves bowling again the same day. 

 

Tell you what, I never under appreciated the likes of Strauss, Cook or Pietersen anyway, but it just reminds you how good those batsmen were and just what they achieved in Australia just a decade ago (Trott too).

 

I shouldn't really be surprised with England repeating the mistakes of previous away Ashes series. They rarely come close to getting it right in Oz, and that isn't a new thing. They were severely hamstrung with the injuries of Archer and Stone as options this time, but the bowling really hasn't been a problem anyway. I really don't know what we do with the batting, but it does feel like something radical is required at this point. Half a dozen South Africans is possibly the answer...

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 minute ago, Tommy Fresh said:

But how else are you judging players really, it's all you have to go on (additionally picking players who haven't even performed at that level is poor) Players like Foakes have shown they should be playing test cricket but he gets shafted by the selectors.

I don't disagree, it's the only metric we really have to work with.

 

I guess my point is that the clamour for the ECB to "fix" this is understandable but the solution, if one does come about in the form of discovering players that win Test matches on the regular for England, is going to be down as much to chance as it is to their actions.

coolhandfox

coolhandfox

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Just heard Agnew saying the bowlers let Australia get 100 to many. :appl:

 

I'd be pissed off as a bowler.

 

We haven't managed to score more than 250 in 6 out of 9 innings.

 

For me the bowling hasn't been far away, it's hard to bowl when you have no score board pressure on the other team.

 

They can play so freely

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Corky

Corky

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2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Just heard Agnew saying the bowlers let Australia get 100 to many. :appl:

 

I'd be pissed off as a bowler.

 

We haven't managed to score more than 250 in 6 out of 9 innings.

 

For me the bowling hasn't been far away, it's hard to bowl when you have no score board pressure on the other team.

 

They can play so freely

The bowlers can easily come back and say the dropped catches have cost us well in excess of that this series.

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AjcW

AjcW

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9 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Just heard Agnew saying the bowlers let Australia get 100 to many. :appl:

 

I'd be pissed off as a bowler.

 

We haven't managed to score more than 250 in 6 out of 9 innings.

 

For me the bowling hasn't been far away, it's hard to bowl when you have no score board pressure on the other team.

 

They can play so freely

Agnew is a ****ing arse hole. First chance he had to be positive all series when we had them 80 odd for 4 first session of this game and he still comes out with “I think the Aussies edged that session” 

 

Even if they did it was still a chance for him to at least commend some of the bowling and the fact they had the Aussies four down on the opening afternoon. 
 

Every time I see his comments pop up on the BBC feed it’s something negative. 
 

People have every right to criticise England, but there’s also time to point out when things have gone well, and to go after the bowlers who are the only ones who have shown any fight is just not constructive at all. 
 

Surely time for him to be replaced, dinosaur commentator 

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