Central midfield concerns

[tickler28]

I'm loathed to criticise him because he's young and it was his debut but KDH for all the good he does was in no man's land for their first goal yesterday and kept giving the ball away 2nd half. I think the biggest area we need cover in at the minute is CM. Its the area I think Rodgers needs to focus on in January.

 

**** knows why Rodgers thought it was a good idea to loan out Praet....Mendy not in squad (I understand why because he nearly left) but then we're left with Choudhury who's not fancied because he's been a liability....Soumare who's not ready yet for the pace of the Prem, Ndidi who's currently out of form and off to Afcon in January and Youri who seemingly wants away and who can blame him?

 

Its the area where in the next 12 months with players departing I think we'll see big changes...it might also help our shakey defence to have a solid base in front of them.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Most important part of the team and we've been spoiled with how good it's been last few years. I think Rodgers for all his faults does create a good engine room in his teams.

 

You're right we're going to see changes and possibly not for the better. If we recall Praet, give him the starting role next to Wilf and blood Soumaré and KDH we might be OK but the halcyon days of Youri and in form Wilf being one of the best CM partnerships in the league look to be gone at this point.

[Finnegan]

KDH and Soumaré have shown enough in the glimpses they've had already this year to show Praet would have very little to offer us. Especially given he's defensively shit. 

 

We've got probably the best central midfield squad in the league on paper. 

 

The problem isn't the personnel it's the whole organisation as a team which all comes back to the coaching. 

 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

KDH and Soumaré have shown enough in the glimpses they've had already this year to show Praet would have very little to offer us. Especially given he's defensively shit. 

 

We've got probably the best central midfield squad in the league on paper. 

 

The problem isn't the personnel it's the whole organisation as a team which all comes back to the coaching. 

 

Agree with your last statement and strongly disagree with the first 2! Particularly the best central midfield squad, we are LIGHT YEARS behind Chelsea and Man City in that department. It is however a relative strength for us (at the moment - when Youri goes not any more).

[tickler28]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

KDH and Soumaré have shown enough in the glimpses they've had already this year to show Praet would have very little to offer us. Especially given he's defensively shit. 

 

We've got probably the best central midfield squad in the league on paper. 

 

The problem isn't the personnel it's the whole organisation as a team which all comes back to the coaching. 

 

Completely disagree with that statement im afraid. KDH is one for the future and shouldn't even be considered in your strongest 4 centre mids. None of us know if he's gonna go full blown Barnes on us or end up being another Choudhury. Right now Soumare is bedding in...ill give him some slack....he has areas he needs to improve in and hopefully he'll get there.

 

If you need 2 players effectively for every position then we need 4 CM and right now I count only 3....Ndidi, Soumare, Tielemans. You can't count Choudhury cos Rodgers doesn't trust him....seemingly Mendy and Praet are gone and like I said earlier....you can't include KDH in the 4.....not when you have ambitions of top 6

[moore_94]

7 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

I'm loathed to criticise him because he's young and it was his debut but KDH for all the good he does was in no man's land for their first goal yesterday and kept giving the ball away 2nd half. I think the biggest area we need cover in at the minute is CM. Its the area I think Rodgers needs to focus on in January.

 

**** knows why Rodgers thought it was a good idea to loan out Praet....Mendy not in squad (I understand why because he nearly left) but then we're left with Choudhury who's not fancied because he's been a liability....Soumare who's not ready yet for the pace of the Prem, Ndidi who's currently out of form and off to Afcon in January and Youri who seemingly wants away and who can blame him?

 

Its the area where in the next 12 months with players departing I think we'll see big changes...it might also help our shakey defence to have a solid base in front of them.

Because Praet didn't want to stay here and be a squad player, he wouldn't have played instead of Soumare when Wilf got injured, so it isn't like he would've been racking up appearances here like he wants.

 

Other than 1 game he has also been pretty quiet at Torino so far, in fact he was pretty horrendous himself in their last game.

[walkerleeds]

Can't legislate for Tielemans getting injured. 

 

I'd imagine Soumare/ KDH would have been in and out of the team had this not been the case, which wouldn't have been a problem.

[tickler28]

Being so reliant on 1 player (Tielemans) who is off soon worries the shit out of me....I struggle to see how we will maintain the same levels when he departs 

[tickler28]

4 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Because Praet didn't want to stay here and be a squad player, he wouldn't have played instead of Soumare when Wilf got injured, so it isn't like he would've been racking up appearances here like he wants.

 

Other than 1 game he has also been pretty quiet at Torino so far, in fact he was pretty horrendous himself in their last game.

Rodgers problem is he is terrible at rotating the squad....half the reason we end up with so many injuries

[lcfc sheff]

I did look at that midfield before the season and thought there isn’t much we can do to improve on that, even thought it was one of the better ones in the league… I’m either dreadfully wrong or the tactics/formation/manager isn’t right and I suspect it’s the later as it’s his job to get the best out his players.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

7 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Completely disagree with that statement im afraid. KDH is one for the future and shouldn't even be considered in your strongest 4 centre mids. None of us know if he's gonna go full blown Barnes on us or end up being another Choudhury. Right now Soumare is bedding in...ill give him some slack....he has areas he needs to improve in and hopefully he'll get there.

 

If you need 2 players effectively for every position then we need 4 CM and right now I count only 3....Ndidi, Soumare, Tielemans. You can't count Choudhury cos Rodgers doesn't trust him....seemingly Mendy and Praet are gone and like I said earlier....you can't include KDH in the 4.....not when you have ambitions of top 6

I agree with you on KDH, he is getting massively over rated based on very little. He has shown nothing at all to prove he belongs at this level at 23 years old. If he's the future of our central midfield we'd better accept mediocrity.

[The People's Hero]

Boisdale at Victoria. 15 minutes. Old fashioneds and fat Cubans. I’ll put you in the know. 

[weller54]

Half arsed Tielemans (because he doesn't want to be here) and a terrible out of form Ndidi is not the force it once was!

[yorkie1999]

11 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

I agree with you on KDH, he is getting massively over rated based on very little. He has shown nothing at all to prove he belongs at this level at 23 years old. If he's the future of our central midfield we'd better accept mediocrity.

Yes, but he insists he wants to continue his journey with us.

[fuchsntf]

The personal/players in our midfield, I have no problem,  we are Chasing Shadows if we Keep hammering our players.

Most agree that this squad is One of our best ever..!!  KDH,Tielemans,Maddison,Ndidi, Soumare the departing Praet,.....Mendy also played his part..!!

KDH,Climate have to be given space, ist their First PL season, Deep Analyse und Making every small Error is Chicken shit...

Ffs Vardy put Great hero, has lost us games, by Not converting easy chamces....Its football..

We should Stop this crap in Chasing around players every mistakes and pulling out Top-pundits cards...First Enjoy the games **...!!!

We are Team playing indifferent football & Way Off our "expected" form, with a long period of Historical Building Defensive errors...

Thomas & KdH, Soumare, IMO should be given a Bit more Space & patience, especially in a Team mis-firing, where the  experienced players have more to answer for..!!

 

** though I suppose at the moment its difficult to Enjoy anything, even our Good moments,because every week we throw Loose

spanners around, with the same repetative mistakes..

 

 

 

Edited 6 December 2021 by fuchsntf

[don_danbury]

31 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Half arsed Tielemans (because he doesn't want to be here) and a terrible out of form Ndidi is not the force it once was!

???

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

We've got probably the best central midfield squad in the league on paper. 

 

Eh?

[escape2victory]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

We've got probably the best central midfield squad in the league on paper. 

 

 

 

Huge shout !

[Guest Col city fan]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

KDH and Soumaré have shown enough in the glimpses they've had already this year to show Praet would have very little to offer us. Especially given he's defensively shit. 

 

We've got probably the best central midfield squad in the league on paper. 

 

The problem isn't the personnel it's the whole organisation as a team which all comes back to the coaching. 

 

The best central midfield squad on paper!?

I’ll have some of what you’re smoking chap

👍
That’s literally one of the most bizarre posts I think I’ve ever seen you write 

Edited 6 December 2021 by Col city fan

[Jethrolcfc]

I think the team are crying out for a strong midfield player who will captain the team. Having Kasper doing the job is clearly not working. We need someone who can read the game and influence it. We’re far to light weight in the centre of the park and have been for a number of years. 

[Sampson]

5 hours ago, Finnegan said:

We've got probably the best central midfield squad in the league on paper. 

 

This is probably the single most absurd opinion I've ever read on this forum and that's saying something.

Imagine thinking our central midfield squad is better than one which contains the options of N'Golo Kante, Jorginho and Mateo Kovacic!

[The People's Hero]

2 minutes ago, Sampson said:

This is probably the single most absurd opinion I've ever read on this forum and that's saying something.

Imagine thinking our central midfield squad is better than one which contains the options of N'Golo Kante, Jorginho and Mateo Kovacic!

Well it is saying something since you’ve ignored ‘ Kermo was decent ‘ and every post made by everyone’s most forgotten wash fabric. 

[Finnegan]

9 hours ago, Sampson said:

This is probably the single most absurd opinion I've ever read on this forum and that's saying something.

Imagine thinking our central midfield squad is better than one which contains the options of N'Golo Kante, Jorginho and Mateo Kovacic!

 

Alright so it was a bit of hyperbole, I meant to write One Of The not just The (I mean Man City alone have probably the best in the world) but Chelsea (maybe) and Man City, who've spent the world, are the only clubs you could argue have a better central midfield than we do. 

 

And honestly, you talk to a lot of Chelsea fans and even they'll tell you they don't entirely understand the Jorginho hype. How he went from being a solid top four holding midfielder to being a Ballon D'or candidate sung about with the reverence of a Pirlo or peak Modric I and they have no idea. 

 

Give it a year to eighteen months once Tielemans has left us for some super massive club and all of a sudden the press (and even a bunch of our own fans) are going to wake up to the fact he's one of the best midfielders on the planet. 

 

Ndidi is sought after by almost every club above us in the Premier League, both he and Tielemans get in pretty much every Champions League 25 man squad. He's literally, statistically, one of the world's most efficient ball winners of the last five or six years. 

 

And Madders looking back to his actual self is a game winner at any level. His runs with injuries and the form it takes out of him is a concern but at his best there really aren't too many better playmakers in the division. 

 

Seriously, you think Liverpool, Tottenham, United, Arsenal, West Ham, Everton, Villa, etc have better central midfields than we do? Wherever else they may be better in the squad that isn't it. 

[honeybradger]

10 hours ago, Sampson said:

This is probably the single most absurd opinion I've ever read on this forum and that's saying something.

Imagine thinking our central midfield squad is better than one which contains the options of N'Golo Kante, Jorginho and Mateo Kovacic!

Jorginho and kovacic ffs. They were average before tuchel and jorginho has been making plenty of mistakes recently. Tielemans and ndidi ability wise are at least on their level, it's our system that is causing us to get overrun.

[TMELcfc]

Short but sweet… this isn’t just the players, this is the manager. There is no organisation all over the pitch. 
When people just criticise the defenders for goals conceded, its does my head in, we do not defend well as a team. 

 

Whoever plays in midfield seem to be told to press with the strikers, N’Didi is sometimes so high up, there is a gap big enough for 2 or 3 buses to pass through… everyone needs to press or don’t do it at all. 
 

What I’d like to see is N’Didi just being a screen in front of the back 4 again, whether we play a diamond or 4141 etc. That is what he’s good at, that’s all he should do. 
 

Manager is so stubborn I doubt it’ll change which will result him getting the sack anyway, but my point is we have been leaking goals for a while, not just this season. So it doesn’t really matter who plays. 

Edited 7 December 2021 by lcfceaves