Covid Roll Call

[grobyfox1990]

18 minutes ago, Otis said:

Yeah. No one cares mate, chances are you'll be fine.... off you trot... bleeding attention seekers everywhere these days.

Lol,  not really what I was getting at. More the thought that anyone in 2024 could possibly think they’ve never had covid before, by putting so much faith and trust in a 2p piece of plastic from Shenzhen.

 

[leicsmac]

27 minutes ago, Otis said:

It's been a year now and we're still stuck on page 1 hearing the same stories, is anything new being learnt. 

 

I think some people still need convincing as to the seriousness of it all, yes.

 

But of course the path forward to make sure the world in general is better prepared next time is the most important thing. I say it so often but it bears repeating - acts of nature, even when directly caused by humans, can cause death and suffering on a scale that would make even the most psychotic dictators green with envy. There needs to be more attention placed on them and their consequences, especially when such things often produce more of the human-shaped boogeymen due to the pressure they exert anyway.

[MPH]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Context was the post I was responding to 

 

extreme satire 

Please excuse me. It’s hard to tell sometimes!

[Sly]

Covid doesn’t have the mortality rate of Ebola, Marburg, Rabies, HIV etc. However if the next virus that impacts humanity has the transmission rate of Covid and Death % of Marburg we’d wipe out half the worlds population. 

 

Was it not as simple as COVID 19, was so easily passed on, even with what seems a relatively low mortality rate at 1%, the overall death toll was significant. 
 

Hence the reason to stop the spread, lock everyone away from each other so the NHS isn’t totally overwhelmed. The virus in simple turns burned itself out by not being able to get passed on.
 

That logic always made sense to me, albeit we were learning on the job. Some countries did better than others. It could have been worse, it could have been better.
 

The human race need to build a natural resistance, or receive a vaccine to reduce the impact. 
 

I think it is as simple that recording a death as “Covid” was maybe the straw that broke the camels back. When you hear how out of control intensive care units were at their peak, in reality, they were in survival mode and just simply trying to cope. Logging cause of death maybe wasn’t the top priority.

 

How many people are ultimately killed by pneumonia, rather than the other symptoms they have? If the body has a weakened immune system immune system, it will always be the final blow that is deemed to have killed you, not the 40 cuts before. 
 

The overall death toll is still tragic, thankfully a vaccine was engineered quickly to counter the devastating impact it was having. Without that, the world would still largely be upside down. 

 

 

[dsr-burnley]

20 hours ago, Sly said:

Covid doesn’t have the mortality rate of Ebola, Marburg, Rabies, HIV etc. However if the next virus that impacts humanity has the transmission rate of Covid and Death % of Marburg we’d wipe out half the worlds population. 

 

Was it not as simple as COVID 19, was so easily passed on, even with what seems a relatively low mortality rate at 1%, the overall death toll was significant. 
 

Hence the reason to stop the spread, lock everyone away from each other so the NHS isn’t totally overwhelmed. The virus in simple turns burned itself out by not being able to get passed on.
 

That logic always made sense to me, albeit we were learning on the job. Some countries did better than others. It could have been worse, it could have been better.
 

The human race need to build a natural resistance, or receive a vaccine to reduce the impact. 
 

I think it is as simple that recording a death as “Covid” was maybe the straw that broke the camels back. When you hear how out of control intensive care units were at their peak, in reality, they were in survival mode and just simply trying to cope. Logging cause of death maybe wasn’t the top priority.

 

How many people are ultimately killed by pneumonia, rather than the other symptoms they have? If the body has a weakened immune system immune system, it will always be the final blow that is deemed to have killed you, not the 40 cuts before. 
 

The overall death toll is still tragic, thankfully a vaccine was engineered quickly to counter the devastating impact it was having. Without that, the world would still largely be upside down. 

 

 

The logic that the virus disappeared because it burned out, is false logic.  The virus didn't disappear.  It's still here.  

 

Even in China, where their version of lockdown literally meant locking all infected people away, they couldn't stop the spread.  And in this country, there were far too many people moving around to stop the spread.  The whole food chain, from farming to manufacture to shops to delivery, ran more or less as normal.  Hospitals obviously kept going and spread the virus.  Manufacturing kept going, mostly.  I've seen lockdown described as rich people self-isolating at home while poor people fetched them stuff, and there is enough truth in that to put the kibosh on any idea of eliminating the virus by stopping it spreading.

[dsr-burnley]

On 26/09/2024 at 20:54, leicsmac said:

230,000 odd people inside of a couple of years is an awful lot of people to watch die in pretty horrible fashion - whether they were more vulnerable to it shouldn't really come into it unless one wants to make the argument that they were somehow deserving of it - Just World Fallacy?

 

I would hope that folks consider the testimony of those giving it right now pretty carefully and show at least some basic empathy for those who died, in numbers and in misery, and for those who tried to help them but couldn't and had to move onto the next body, again and again.

Whether they were vulnerable has to come into it, unfortunately.  Covid was not a matter of saving as many lives as possible with no negative impact on the rest of society.  Even the NHS has to make calculations, whether formal or gut feeling, in allocating resources to the ones who will get most benefit.  Case in point - if they have one heart and two people who could benefit from the transplant, then all else being equal it will go to the 10 year old not the 80 year old.  The age and vulnerability of the potential recipients does count.

 

What the drawn-out enquiry ought to do (but probably won't) is to assess whether the positive effects of lockdown outweighed the negative, and whether it was the right thing to do on each of the four times it was proposed or implemented.  When it comes to excess deaths, it is at least possible to compare the "worth" of a life lost to covid compared with a life lost later to undiagnosed cancer, and hopefully a fair effort can be made at reckoning the numbers.  It's harder to evaluate the worth of a life lost to covid compared with the effect on children of missing close to 2 years' school.  Or for that matter the worth of a life lost to covid with the worth of the lives of the old people who spent a year or two in miserable loneliness and died anyway.  But it's all relevant.

[leicsmac]

10 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

Whether they were vulnerable has to come into it, unfortunately.  Covid was not a matter of saving as many lives as possible with no negative impact on the rest of society.  Even the NHS has to make calculations, whether formal or gut feeling, in allocating resources to the ones who will get most benefit.  Case in point - if they have one heart and two people who could benefit from the transplant, then all else being equal it will go to the 10 year old not the 80 year old.  The age and vulnerability of the potential recipients does count.

 

Certainly any entity with limited resources has to make decisions like this - but I'm not sure how much that has to do with the attitude of some people that rather clearly infers they're happy for the vulnerable to risk death (and actually die) as long as their own lives are not impacted in any way at all.

 

10 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

What the drawn-out enquiry ought to do (but probably won't) is to assess whether the positive effects of lockdown outweighed the negative, and whether it was the right thing to do on each of the four times it was proposed or implemented.  When it comes to excess deaths, it is at least possible to compare the "worth" of a life lost to covid compared with a life lost later to undiagnosed cancer, and hopefully a fair effort can be made at reckoning the numbers.  It's harder to evaluate the worth of a life lost to covid compared with the effect on children of missing close to 2 years' school.  Or for that matter the worth of a life lost to covid with the worth of the lives of the old people who spent a year or two in miserable loneliness and died anyway.  But it's all relevant.

IMO the true value in this enquiry will be an established strategy to deal with such natural disasters going forward, yes. But that being said, in the absence of a control group, controlled variables or repeated testing it's always going to be inconclusive about whether or not one particular strategy would have worked much better than another and the next one that comes along may be much, much worse than Covid, so such a strategy will clearly have to be flexible and have multiple different outputs and cover multiple scenarios.

[Spudulike]

Had my covid and flu jabs yesterday. Feel absolutely shite today 

 

Anyone else had the same?

[jgtuk]

30 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Had my covid and flu jabs yesterday. Feel absolutely shite today 

 

Anyone else had the same?

Yes but not for long. 
Shingles jab wiped me out for a week 

[WigstonWanderer]

On 27/09/2024 at 04:12, Otis said:

Very true.

Wasn't it recorded as a covid death if they had tested positive for covid in the previous 30 days?

Unfortunately it's doubtful we'll ever know the true figure. 

 

I think the excess mortality rates backed up the Covid count

[WigstonWanderer]

On 27/09/2024 at 04:44, grobyfox1990 said:

The mental thing is you STILL hear people saying ‘oh no, just tested positive! My first time! Omg!! Managed to dodge it for years xoxo!!’ 

Bro - this thing had a R rate of over 3 at one point. Whatever a cheap, mass produced piece of Chinese plastic is telling you, you’ve had covid before 

I think you made the same exact quote when I said I’d caught it for the first time about a year ago and was asking for advice here amongst people who probably had more experience than me regarding worries I had about passing it on the my 96 year old father. It really seemed to upset you that I even asked.

 

I live in Western Australia, and for a long time not many people here had caught it, so the cheap piece of Chinese plastic coupled with my own lack of symptoms over the preceding years was probably quite accurate.

[Daggers]

10 hours ago, Spudulike said:

Had my covid and flu jabs yesterday. Feel absolutely shite today 

 

Anyone else had the same?

Not really. I hammed it up to get out of things on the wife's job list - but made a Lazurean recovery for the pub and football the following morning.

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, WigstonWanderer said:

I think you made the same exact quote when I said I’d caught it for the first time about a year ago and was asking for advice here amongst people who probably had more experience than me regarding worries I had about passing it on the my 96 year old father. It really seemed to upset you that I even asked.

 

I live in Western Australia, and for a long time not many people here had caught it, so the cheap piece of Chinese plastic coupled with my own lack of symptoms over the preceding years was probably quite accurate.

I have no idea who you are, can rarely see usernames, a year ago tho! Imagine you were quite upset if you remember that. 
There is no way of you knowing if the cheap Chinese plastic was accurate. 

[WigstonWanderer]

14 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

I have no idea who you are, can rarely see usernames, a year ago tho! Imagine you were quite upset if you remember that. 
There is no way of you knowing if the cheap Chinese plastic was accurate. 

The reason I remember it is that you went on and on in the climate thread about something I supposedly said in the Covid thread and I was rather taken aback.

 

Anyway, don’t want to stink up this thread, best leave it there.

[FoxesDeb]

Came across something I hadn't seen before until last night, I stumbled upon a Facebook conversation between 2 people I vaguely know, talking about an app they have on their phones which can apparently detect which people have been vaccinated via bluetooth, and also pick up signals from bodies in UK graveyards of vaccinated people.

 

I thought it was a wind up but no, they were serious. Absolutely mind boggling.

[Zear0]

20 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Came across something I hadn't seen before until last night, I stumbled upon a Facebook conversation between 2 people I vaguely know, talking about an app they have on their phones which can apparently detect which people have been vaccinated via bluetooth, and also pick up signals from bodies in UK graveyards of vaccinated people.

 

I thought it was a wind up but no, they were serious. Absolutely mind boggling.

Why is that so hard to believe?  Anyone who's done their own research knows that Bill Gates made sure all COVID jabs had these tracking devices in them which can be picked up by phones and 4G masts. 

[FoxesDeb]

32 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Why is that so hard to believe?  Anyone who's done their own research knows that Bill Gates made sure all COVID jabs had these tracking devices in them which can be picked up by phones and 4G masts. 

Very unsurpringly one of the people said exactly this 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said:

Came across something I hadn't seen before until last night, I stumbled upon a Facebook conversation between 2 people I vaguely know, talking about an app they have on their phones which can apparently detect which people have been vaccinated via bluetooth, and also pick up signals from bodies in UK graveyards of vaccinated people.

 

I thought it was a wind up but no, they were serious. Absolutely mind boggling.

Is it bad to say that isn't the most batshit tinfoil hat conspiracy BS I've heard this week?

[FoxesDeb]

17 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Is it bad to say that isn't the most batshit tinfoil hat conspiracy BS I've heard this week?

I'm intrigued to know what could be crazier!

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

I'm intrigued to know what could be crazier!

Dems/Biden/Deep State/WEF/insert other scapegoat here are using weather manipulation to generate a lot of hurricanes in the US at this time so that climate change appears to be a bigger threat than it actually is/people find it difficult to vote in particular areas and so the forthcoming election is subject to a rigging attempt and people will give up their "freedoms".

 

... actually, to be fair, having thought about it the one you mentioned is probably at least on a par with that.

[blabyboy]

There's been a UN ban of weather warfare since the 70's. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention#:~:text=It opened for signature on,force on 5 October 1978.&text=The Convention bans weather warfare,of inducing damage or destruction.

 

Crazy that the French didn't sign up

 

Edited 19 October 2024 by blabyboy

[Daggers]

 

Expert reaction to a cohort study,published in Nature Communications Medicine, of long Covid in children and young people over a two year period finds that it diminishes, mirroring results found in adults.

• ‘Long-term effects of Covid-19 in children and young people: A 24-month national cohort study’ by Terence Stephenson et al. was published in Nature Communications Medicine at 10:00am UK time on Wednesday 4 December. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1038/s43856-024-00657-x

 

Prof Peter Openshaw, Professor of Experimental Medicine and Dr Claudia Efstathiou Research Associate, Imperial College London, said:

“This paper is good news, showing that most young people (aged 11-to-17-years at the time of onset) recover fully from Long COVID by 2 years. One quarter still had symptoms at 3 months, one in ten at a year, but only one in 14 at 2 years.

“The findings mirror what we’ve seen in adults. For example, females at higher risk of long COVID, and those with more episodes of COVID are more likely to be affected. Those in the most economically deprived quintile were three times more likely to be unvaccinated compared to those in the least deprived quintile, and deprivation was a risk factor for Long COVID.

“The large UK study adds to our understanding of post-COVID conditions, highlighting that there’s a subset of children and young people who still have symptoms 2 years after COVID. This group warrants further study and support.”

 

Dr Nathan Cheetham, Senior Postdoctoral Data Scientist in the Department of Twin Research, King’s College London, said:

“The higher likelihood of long COVID among children and young people in England’s most deprived neighbourhoods’ echoes similar trends seen among adults in previous research. The trends in long COVID by deprivation in the study were also seen whether or not the young person’s first infection was before or after the roll-out of COVID-19 vaccinations.

“This study again shows that health conditions like long COVID tend to affect the most disadvantaged in society, both young and old.

“These results reinforce the need to address the underlying causes of ill health, such as poor housing conditions, financial stress and unequal access to health care services, if we want to shift focus towards preventing illness before inequalities such as those found in this study arise.”