hackneyfox Posted 7 June 2022 Posted 7 June 2022 48 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: In fairness I know nothing about him other than the clip. On the basis of that he looks likely to blow over in a gentle breeze. Whilst he has some close skills, is he any better than a Perez mk11? If his name was Seth Smith from Barnsley would we be interested? I'd hazard a guess that players for Porto will probably have a better career than someone from Barnsley, Seth Smith may be the exceotion to that of course. 1
volpeazzurro Posted 7 June 2022 Posted 7 June 2022 1 hour ago, hackneyfox said: I'd hazard a guess that players for Porto will probably have a better career than someone from Barnsley, Seth Smith may be the exceotion to that of course. Yes, absolutely right of course but my main point is that some people like a bit of perceived glamour or exotic name 🤣
Popular Post stu Posted 7 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 7 June 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: We are the gift that keeps on giving for that club... Porto? Ricardo was a fine piece of business for us. Assume you may be mixing them up with Sporting for Slimani and Silva. Edited 7 June 2022 by stu 6 1
st albans fox Posted 7 June 2022 Posted 7 June 2022 2 minutes ago, stu said: Porto? Ricardo was a fine piece of business for us. Assume you mixing them up with Sporting for Slimani and Silva. Yes I’m not sure what Porto have done wrong apart from hammer us 5-0 in the CL 3
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 7 June 2022 Posted 7 June 2022 20 minutes ago, stu said: Porto? Ricardo was a fine piece of business for us. Assume you may be mixing them up with Sporting for Slimani and Silva. Yes. I am an idiot, it seems. 1 1
MPH Posted 7 June 2022 Posted 7 June 2022 6 hours ago, JimJams said: Obligations are usually tied to triggers, like games played and/or European qualification etc. If he's garbo, we don't fulfill the criteria to trigger the obligation. If we do, presumably we'll be getting our moneys worth. well that’s not an obligation then if we can choose the terms.
Popular Post Deeg67 Posted 8 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 8 June 2022 Don’t know much about the player TBH but I like the idea of pairing that dashing d’Artagnan facial hair with KDH and giving us a sort of Musketeers starter kit. 9
JimJams Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 2 hours ago, MPH said: well that’s not an obligation then if we can choose the terms. Er, yes it is. A loan with obligation isnt just a loan where you're immediately committed to buy the player. There is a set of criteria to be met before the obligation is triggered. Like try before you buy!
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 5 hours ago, MPH said: well that’s not an obligation then if we can choose the terms. 2 hours ago, JimJams said: Er, yes it is. A loan with obligation isnt just a loan where you're immediately committed to buy the player. There is a set of criteria to be met before the obligation is triggered. Like try before you buy! The triggers are usually pretty straightforward with a low bar - it would be unlikely that they wouldn’t be met. otherwise you may as well have the deal as an option to buy at an agreed price (as we currently have with lookman). The obligation to buy route is generally used as a way to kick the fee down the road for the buying club. Effectively there are different ‘ obligation to buy’ deals. some will allow the player to back out - sometimes it will be in the selling clubs interest to have a deal structured this way and more often the buying club (for ffp reasons). But as a rule, if there is an obligation to buy then the deal will nearly always go through.
MPH Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 8 hours ago, JimJams said: Er, yes it is. A loan with obligation isnt just a loan where you're immediately committed to buy the player. There is a set of criteria to be met before the obligation is triggered. Like try before you buy! 5 hours ago, st albans fox said: . But as a rule, if there is an obligation to buy then the deal will nearly always go through. Indeed and there’s no getting out of it. No matter how badly he plays.
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 9 minutes ago, MPH said: Indeed and there’s no getting out of it. No matter how badly he plays. But as I wrote - it’s not 100% certain it could depend if the seller/buyer wants to spin the deal a certain way and the other party isn’t bothered. We never know because we’re plankton …..
MPH Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, st albans fox said: But as I wrote - it’s not 100% certain it could depend if the seller/buyer wants to spin the deal a certain way and the other party isn’t bothered. We never know because we’re plankton ….. well, once it’s agreed and the terms are set, it IS certain otherwise it’s not an obligation is my point. Edited 8 June 2022 by MPH
JimJams Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 If the obligation kicked in after the player makes 30 appearances then you're in control over whether or not it becomes obligation. But you have that condition in the terms of the loan. So there absolutely is a way of getting out of it. Which is why it's done. So if he's crap, you simply don't play him enough to make the terms active.
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 40 minutes ago, JimJams said: If the obligation kicked in after the player makes 30 appearances then you're in control over whether or not it becomes obligation. But you have that condition in the terms of the loan. So there absolutely is a way of getting out of it. Which is why it's done. So if he's crap, you simply don't play him enough to make the terms active. If I’m loaning a player out with an obligation to buy then if there are clauses like that in there I need to lose my job.
JimJams Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, st albans fox said: If I’m loaning a player out with an obligation to buy then if there are clauses like that in there I need to lose my job. If you put in clauses like that you'd just be doing your job. It's pretty standard practice. Ghendouzis loan to Marsielle had such clauses. https://dailycannon.com/2022/03/guendouzi-permanent-marseille/ From that article: Quote It’s been common knowledge for a long time that Guendouzi had an obligation to buy in his Marseille contract. But the obligation was only active under certain conditions. That’s fairly standard practice with an obligation to buy. For example, Konstantinos Mavropanos’ loan will only automatically turn permanent if Stuttgart avoid relegation. David Ospina’s 2018/19 loan to Napoli only turned permanent if he made 25 appearances. It's quite normal. Edited 8 June 2022 by JimJams
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 4 minutes ago, JimJams said: If you put in obligations like that you'd just be doing your job. It's pretty standard practice. Ghendouzis loan to Marsielle had such clauses. https://dailycannon.com/2022/03/guendouzi-permanent-marseille/ From that article: It's quite normal. Not quite true - as I said earlier, obligations to buy are not always transparent ….. My understanding was that it isn’t officially an obligation, but the clauses to make it permanent are very gettable. So essentially is an obligation to buy. Believe Mavropanos deal was similar. Think that one goes through provided Stuttgart stay up.
JimJams Posted 8 June 2022 Posted 8 June 2022 Yes and the Ospina deal goes permanent on 25 appearances. So like is said in the beginning for big money moves for us, this would be a better option.
Vindaloo FOX Posted 16 June 2022 Posted 16 June 2022 (edited) On his way to Arsenal . Edited 16 June 2022 by Vindaloo FOX
-sodapop Posted 16 June 2022 Posted 16 June 2022 21 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said: On his way to Arsenal . **** me, this was the only one I really wanted to see from our links so far 1
Jabfox Posted 16 June 2022 Posted 16 June 2022 17 minutes ago, -sodapop said: **** me, this was the only one I really wanted to see from our links so far Same 😂 Wonder if this has an impact on Youri's potential move. I think it might.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 16 June 2022 Posted 16 June 2022 Just now, Jabfox said: Same 😂 Wonder if this has an impact on Youri's potential move. I think it might. was just about to post the same. He is going to end up at Spurs isn't he!!
Jabfox Posted 16 June 2022 Posted 16 June 2022 17 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: was just about to post the same. He is going to end up at Spurs isn't he!! I really hope not but the CL pull might entice him. My only thoughts are I'm not sure he is a Conte midfielder and they are signing Bissouma from Brighton I think. Gonna be one long summer 😂
Scotch Posted 16 June 2022 Posted 16 June 2022 26 minutes ago, Jabfox said: Same 😂 Wonder if this has an impact on Youri's potential move. I think it might. I'm not sure but if they do still get Youri, they definately won't still be chasing Aouar so hopefully that leaves us with a clear run at him. 2
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