RODGERS IN/OUT

[filbertway]

40 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I can see myself agreeing with a lot of what you say, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame Rodgers for the wage structure - I wouldn’t have thought he has any input into contract negotiations. He’ll have some input into recruitment though I’m sure.

I would tend to agree on that, Rudkin definitely shares a portion of the blame. Something is not quite right if we've signed someone who was supposed to come in and be 5th choice behind Amartey and Soyuncu (in Rodgers words) on a 3 year contract on more money than Amartey and Soyuncu.

[ARTY_FOX]

3 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I’m Rodgers in (I think, it’s kind of confusing)…

 

But to have stats like we did last night is not acceptable for our football club. I am starting to wonder whether all the negativity around the place can be lifted with a change of manager. These days managers often have 3-4 year cycles, and the stability of a long term manager is a thing of the past. 

 

I argued some time ago that we are beginning to see a true Rodgers side after the team and nucleus of the players he inherited have moved on. But it concerns me he never got to the 4 year stage at Liverpool, Celtic or any club. We are in unchartered territory and it’s starting to feel a little bit how his Liverpool reign ended - who were a defensive shambles. I’m sure he would argue injuries derailed last season etc, and he’ll blame a lack of transfers this time. Does he have it in him to turn it around? And my definition of ‘turn it around’ at this moment in time is finishing lower mid table.

 

Have I just talked myself around to Rodgers out?

 

 

 

He has not. He's never turned a slump around in his career. If it's not working he keeps going. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

12 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

He has not. He's never turned a slump around in his career. If it's not working he keeps going. 

I mean getting a run of results, not necessarily whole sale changes to the style of play 

[Guppys Love Child]

10 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I mean getting a run of results, not necessarily whole sale changes to the style of play 

I'd love a run of results to lift us out,  but more importantly clear of the bottom 3, but the point is it does need changes, and Rodgers is either unable or unwilling too do that,  as we see the same old happening match after match for the quite a few months now.  Sadly our current league  position and post match states and results from the near past don't lie. 

[Speedwell 🦊]

4 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

How does the FA Cup help us now? it’s history yes wonderful to win but it doesn’t do anything for our current situation and predicament. 
 

Absolutely.Some people on this forum keep banging on about the title win and our recent success,but like you said it’s history.At the moment we are shite and it needs to change quickly!

[foxinsocks]

30 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

He has not. He's never turned a slump around in his career. If it's not working he keeps going. 

All managers do this .  Claudio dit it

[ClaphamFox]

I want Rodgers to go because it feels like he's run out of steam and has already mentally checked out. We clearly need a refresh - and we need it soon. But I'm deeply concerned about who we'll get to replace him. Very few managers will walk out on their clubs a few games into the new season, which rules out most of those who are already in jobs. And there just aren't many decent managers who: a) are out of work; and b) would realistically join us, especially given our well-known financial constraints.

 

I know some people like to treat Rodgers' potential departure and the identity of his replacement as completely separate questions - ie, you can wish for the first without necessarily having an answer to the second. But I think that's a bit naïve. It will not be easy for the club to recruit a proven, high quality manager if Rodgers leaves in the next few weeks. We could well end up with somebody who in normal circumstances would be well down the list, which wouldn't exactly inspire confidence. 

I still think Rodgers needs to leave, but let's not kid ourselves that this will immediately resolve our problems. Recruiting the next manager is going to be a very difficult task. 

Edited 24 August 2022 by ClaphamFox

[trabuch]

It doesn't feel like he wants to be here. God knows why anyone else still wants him here.

[Cincinnati Fox]

48 people want him in!!! With what possible justification?

[Cincinnati Fox]

Just now, trabuch said:

It doesn't feel like he wants to be here. God knows why anyone else still wants him here.

He doesn’t, been trying to get the sack for months. Just want the pay off. 

[Ginger_Filbert]

Hope they don’t sack him until Sunday/Monday, I’ve chosen Chelsea in last man standing!!

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

22 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I want Rodgers to go because it feels like he's run out of steam and has already mentally checked out. We clearly need a refresh - and we need it soon. But I'm deeply concerned about who we'll get to replace him. Very few managers will walk out on their clubs a few games into the new season, which rules out most of those who are already in jobs. And there just aren't many decent managers who: a) are out of work; and b) would realistically join us, especially given our well-known financial constraints.

 

I know some people like to treat Rodgers' potential departure and the identity of his replacement as completely separate questions - ie, you can wish for the first without necessarily having an answer to the second. But I think that's a bit naïve. It will not be easy for the club to recruit a proven, high quality manager if Rodgers leaves in the next few weeks. We could well end up with somebody who in normal circumstances would be well down the list, which wouldn't exactly inspire confidence. 

I still think Rodgers needs to leave, but let's not kid ourselves that this will immediately resolve our problems. Recruiting the next manager is going to be a very difficult task. 

Indeed. The negativity around the place - that is widely reported and probably known within the game - will not help.

 

Big Scam anyone? 🤣 

[Sharpe's Fox]

24 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I want Rodgers to go because it feels like he's run out of steam and has already mentally checked out. We clearly need a refresh - and we need it soon. But I'm deeply concerned about who we'll get to replace him. Very few managers will walk out on their clubs a few games into the new season, which rules out most of those who are already in jobs. And there just aren't many decent managers who: a) are out of work; and b) would realistically join us, especially given our well-known financial constraints.

 

I know some people like to treat Rodgers' potential departure and the identity of his replacement as completely separate questions - ie, you can wish for the first without necessarily having an answer to the second. But I think that's a bit naïve. It will not be easy for the club to recruit a proven, high quality manager if Rodgers leaves in the next few weeks. We could well end up with somebody who in normal circumstances would be well down the list, which wouldn't exactly inspire confidence. 

I still think Rodgers needs to leave, but let's not kid ourselves that this will immediately resolve our problems. Recruiting the next manager is going to be a very difficult task. 

What concerns me is i think the hierachy at the club haven't a clue about who or what they want. They've gone all in on Rodgers.

[SheppyFox]

Ffs Stanley 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

10% in 50 people is astonishing! Presumably all part of Todger's extended PR circus.

 

 

[Guppys Love Child]

1 hour ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

10% in 50 people is astonishing! Presumably all part of Todger's extended PR circus.

 

 

Amazing what reverting back to our boring sideways passing set up,  (which IMO leads to a poor performance, or realisticly we should have won in normal time)  3-1 pen shootout win, against a league 2 team sitting in 21st (of 24) place can do to gab a few "in"votes...   

 

Just say the above,  but in bold bits again out loud, (or in your head) and let it sink in just how bad yesterday was.

Yes I know we are in the next round, and I'm happy, but what if we had lost the" lottery" of a penalty shootout. Go on say it again but now omit the 3-1 win bit, and change it to "losing too a" as it could have very easily gone that way..

Thats were we are people, as we can't change the fact that yesterdays events really just happened, to say I'm scared and concerned is a 'fooking' understatement 

Edited 24 August 2022 by Guppys Love Child

[String fellow]

4 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

He has not. He's never turned a slump around in his career. If it's not working he keeps going. 

His first managerial appointment saw him drag Watford up from 21st to 13th in the C'ship in 2008/9, before departing for Reading.

[ARTY_FOX]

1 hour ago, String fellow said:

His first managerial appointment saw him drag Watford up from 21st to 13th in the C'ship in 2008/9, before departing for Reading.

Theres a difference between coming into a club as a new manager and turning round poor form for one you're at.

[String fellow]

Just now, ARTY_FOX said:

Theres a difference between coming into a club as a new manager and turning round poor form for one you're at.

True, but the Watford recovery didn't happen immediately he joined. In his first 12 C'ship games in charge, they sank from 21st to 22nd. Then he turned round their slump in form, so I stand by my original point.

[ARTY_FOX]

46 minutes ago, String fellow said:

True, but the Watford recovery didn't happen immediately he joined. In his first 12 C'ship games in charge, they sank from 21st to 22nd. Then he turned round their slump in form, so I stand by my original point.

It's still 2 completely different things... 

[String fellow]

7 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

He has not. He's never turned a slump around in his career. If it's not working he keeps going. 

He left Reading by mutual consent in mid-December 2009, having failed to get them out of the relegation zone in the C'ship during the opening months of that season. Maybe history could repeat itself here in the Prem!