Top Statement

[skolfoxes]

22 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Happy to walk around the pitch with the trophies. Happy to say he “fixed” Vardy. Happy to collect the accolades when it goes well. 
 

If you want to be the big shot when others are doing their job well. You must take the criticism when it goes wrong. He can’t take criticism. 

Still pissed me off that when we won the PL it was Top who carried the trophy round the pitch.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

 

Over the coming days and weeks, we need to reflect on the processes and decisions that have brought us to this point. What we learn from this experience must convert into action that makes us stronger and prevents this happening to us again in the future.

 

Little gobshite. Cannot stress how imperative it is he goes.

[Vazman]

18 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Thats why I don't think its really fair to get personal and blame top, he doesn't really know what he is doing, he lost his dad, has lost his direction, if hes not got a great support network its difficult for him to be effective, there could be many reasons for him being how he is especially if he has social issues. He may also have a deep emotional attachment to what his dad set up, which is hard to break. The lad needs help, I don't fundamentally think he is a bad person, hes just surrounded by people that aren't helping him and aren't up to the job themselves. I also understand the Thai culture is very loyal so many factors at play.  

I agree with some of this, and sympathise, but he is a billionaire businessman, and must for his own sake as the head of establishment seek to correct the mess we are in, its not being ruthless its life:

 

1. Over paying average players with long contracts, who as a result we cannot move on has to stop, the cause has to be identified and rectified ASAP!

2. The sentimentality and lazy renewals of contracts for players that are not Premiere league standard or dont fit the style of play, or have the wrong attitude/ mentally has to stop ASAP!

3. The Recruitment model for incoming players has to be established and stuck too, so if a new manager comes in the profile, attitude of player is there.

4. Attitudes of players, managers and staff has to be honest and hard working, the culture needs to be set and maintained.

 

And on and on, (insert lots of valid points raised on this forum), if people in the club are not upto the job anymore, or refuse to change with the modern day world of football move them on, its possible to achieve all of this provided people want to be at our club are prepared to work hard to achieve realistic goals by going the extra mile for the excessive wage they earn we can once again achieve, disrupt the top half the big 6 whatever.

 

Its stale, stagnant, and not good enough for the money we as fans pay, if none of these things and more are addressed or he, through a sense of misplaced loyalty wont make the necessary decisions then he should sell the club to someone who wishes to do so. Less talk more positive action.

[Dan]

37 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Thats why I don't think its really fair to get personal and blame top, he doesn't really know what he is doing, he lost his dad, has lost his direction, if hes not got a great support network its difficult for him to be effective, there could be many reasons for him being how he is especially if he has social issues. He may also have a deep emotional attachment to what his dad set up, which is hard to break. The lad needs help, I don't fundamentally think he is a bad person, hes just surrounded by people that aren't helping him and aren't up to the job themselves. I also understand the Thai culture is very loyal so many factors at play.  

That's all well and good but I'm not willing to put him over the club. If he cares that much about it, then why doesn't he realise what damage he's doing to it and get out of here.

 

If I couldn't drive and my Dad left me a ferrari I wouldn't go and take it on the autobahn.

[Pita]

To fix the mess we are in HEADS need to roll. He won’t do that 

[Foxin_Mad]

36 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Happy to walk around the pitch with the trophies. Happy to say he “fixed” Vardy. Happy to collect the accolades when it goes well. 
 

If you want to be the big shot when others are doing their job well. You must take the criticism when it goes wrong. He can’t take criticism. 

I mean we don't know but perhaps he is on the spectrum, its quite common behaviour for someone who is, craves good attention, doesn't like to be associated with bad. We dont know the full story, how has the death of his dad impacted him mentally? he pays people a lot of money to do top jobs.

 

To me if you are a business person, you pay a CEO probably a lot of money, they should really be running the show. Id be very disappointed in the performance of Sue and Jon, probably quite a lot of the other senior managers, like what are fitness doing? sports science? sports psychology? Sadly his big failing is he doesn't have the ability or inclination to go in there and 'stick some rocket up some ass' which in turn perhaps means he isn't cut out to be a business person, maybe YouTube influencer is his level. My main point is I think the personal thing is perhaps a tad unfair, myabe we need to try the 'thanks, you tried but ultimately you dont have the skills' not calling names. 

[Foxin_Mad]

18 minutes ago, Vazman said:

I agree with some of this, and sympathise, but he is a billionaire businessman, and must for his own sake as the head of establishment seek to correct the mess we are in, its not being ruthless its life:

 

1. Over paying average players with long contracts, who as a result we cannot move on has to stop, the cause has to be identified and rectified ASAP!

2. The sentimentality and lazy renewals of contracts for players that are not Premiere league standard or dont fit the style of play, or have the wrong attitude/ mentally has to stop ASAP!

3. The Recruitment model for incoming players has to be established and stuck too, so if a new manager comes in the profile, attitude of player is there.

4. Attitudes of players, managers and staff has to be honest and hard working, the culture needs to be set and maintained.

 

And on and on, (insert lots of valid points raised on this forum), if people in the club are not upto the job anymore, or refuse to change with the modern day world of football move them on, its possible to achieve all of this provided people want to be at our club are prepared to work hard to achieve realistic goals by going the extra mile for the excessive wage they earn we can once again achieve, disrupt the top half the big 6 whatever.

 

Its stale, stagnant, and not good enough for the money we as fans pay, if none of these things and more are addressed or he, through a sense of misplaced loyalty wont make the necessary decisions then he should sell the club to someone who wishes to do so. Less talk more positive action.

Thing is, is he a businessman or part of a family that got rich knowing the right people in a fairly corrupt state? His father was defiantly wiser to the world of business but to me Top isn't a businessman, the people his father put in place aren't up to the job to support him going forward, he probably doesn't have the skills to put someone in place who does and recognise and get rid of those who don't. At this stage its really up to a wiser family member to step in if there is one, he either needs to sell up or get some proper support in around him. If we continue on this path we could take a right tumble down the divisions. We need someone to come in with a clear vision for the clubs direction, strategy, structure, style, we have none of that and haven't for some time. 

[Ian Nacho]

Under Vichai it was all about culture. Now that's all gone. Rotten to the core and nothing will change until King Power is gone or get some serious support from elsewhere. 

 

Sacking Rudkin won't change a thing as the people that have kept him employed through countless failures are still here. 

[Foxin_Mad]

3 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

Under Vichai it was all about culture. Now that's all gone. Rotten to the core and nothing will change until King Power is gone or get some serious support from elsewhere. 

 

Sacking Rudkin won't change a thing as the people that have kept him employed through countless failures are still here. 

I dont think the culture was anything to do with Vichai. He put Sue and Rudders in place.

 

The culture at the club was created in 2009 by Pearson, Walsh and Shakey, King Power tried their best to destroy it with Sousa, then Sven. We got the right person at the right time with Ranieri, then things started to be dismantled after 2016. Then we got a 2nd chance with Puel who built a good young squad, then after Rodgers we went back to the Sven era and began paying top money for mediocre players. Its the only thing they know. 

 

I dont know what Nige and Walsh are upto and if they have any desire to be in the game but I would be looking to bring them both back to run the football operations side of the club, a big clear out, fresh start, focus on developing young talent, maybe those with something to prove. 

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, skolfoxes said:

Still pissed me off that when we won the PL it was Top who carried the trophy round the pitch.

That should have been when the alarm bells were ringing for everyone.

[Cameron Davidson]

1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I dont think the culture was anything to do with Vichai. He put Sue and Rudders in place.

 

The culture at the club was created in 2009 by Pearson, Walsh and Shakey, King Power tried their best to destroy it with Sousa, then Sven. We got the right person at the right time with Ranieri, then things started to be dismantled after 2016. Then we got a 2nd chance with Puel who built a good young squad, then after Rodgers we went back to the Sven era and began paying top money for mediocre players. Its the only thing they know. 

 

I dont know what Nige and Walsh are upto and if they have any desire to be in the game but I would be looking to bring them both back to run the football operations side of the club, a big clear out, fresh start, focus on developing young talent, maybe those with something to prove. 

So what you’re saying is…. Puel was actually good? 

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, Cameron Davidson said:

So what you’re saying is…. Puel was actually good? 

He certainly knew how to bring in good young players combined with Macia. Was he a good coach probably not, but he could be good at a higher more strategic postion 

[Cameron Davidson]

1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

He certainly knew how to bring in good young players combined with Macia. Was he a good coach probably not, but he could be good at a higher more strategic postion 

DoF!!

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Thats why I don't think its really fair to get personal and blame top, he doesn't really know what he is doing, he lost his dad, has lost his direction, if hes not got a great support network its difficult for him to be effective, there could be many reasons for him being how he is especially if he has social issues. He may also have a deep emotional attachment to what his dad set up, which is hard to break. The lad needs help, I don't fundamentally think he is a bad person, hes just surrounded by people that aren't helping him and aren't up to the job themselves. I also understand the Thai culture is very loyal so many factors at play.  

They are also other parts of Thai culture very much on show too. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Thats why I don't think its really fair to get personal and blame top, he doesn't really know what he is doing, he lost his dad, has lost his direction, if hes not got a great support network its difficult for him to be effective, there could be many reasons for him being how he is especially if he has social issues. He may also have a deep emotional attachment to what his dad set up, which is hard to break. The lad needs help, I don't fundamentally think he is a bad person, hes just surrounded by people that aren't helping him and aren't up to the job themselves. I also understand the Thai culture is very loyal so many factors at play.  

"The lad needs help"? 

 

He's 39 ffs.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

3 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

 

Over the coming days and weeks, we need to reflect on the processes and decisions that have brought us to this point. What we learn from this experience must convert into action that makes us stronger and prevents this happening to us again in the future.

 

Where is this from?

 

Did he not learn the last time? Clearly the answer is no and is not fit to run us. All of the issues absolutely wreak of a lack of strong leadership at the Top. Something you absolutely couldn’t level at his father.

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, Cameron Davidson said:

So what you’re saying is…. Puel was actually good? 

No but he knew how a football club should aspire to be. 

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Where is this from?

 

Did he not learn the last time? Clearly the answer is no and is not fit to run us. All of the issues absolutely wreak of a lack of strong leadership at the Top. Something you absolutely couldn’t level at his father.

It's part of the statement on the original page, dated May 2023 upon our last relegation. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

It's part of the statement on the original page, dated May 2023 upon our last relegation. 

Haha I thought it was recent. As Pearson would say, he must be an ostrich. 

[Noahfence]

1 hour ago, skolfoxes said:

Still pissed me off that when we won the PL it was Top who carried the trophy round the pitch.

Did any of the players actually get to hold the trophy that day? I just remember Top holding it and then parading round a picture of the Thai king? 

[ramboacdc]

1 minute ago, Noahfence said:

Did any of the players actually get to hold the trophy that day? I just remember Top holding it and then parading round a picture of the Thai king? 

They did. I can't remember much after Top's lap with that bloke holding a picture of the king up though. I do remember there was a lot more people in SK1 I had never seen before who I was willing to bet were mates of Top and Vichai's. The sale of them tickets was an absolute shit show. 

[MattFox]

2 minutes ago, ramboacdc said:

They did. I can't remember much after Top's lap with that bloke holding a picture of the king up though. I do remember there was a lot more people in SK1 I had never seen before who I was willing to bet were mates of Top and Vichai's. The sale of them tickets was an absolute shit show. 

Was random groups of Italians in the west stand that day 

 

[daddylonglegs]

4 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

 

Over the coming days and weeks, we need to reflect on the processes and decisions that have brought us to this point. What we learn from this experience must convert into action that makes us stronger and prevents this happening to us again in the future.

 

Rubbish. Watch and analyse the game properly and stop writing headlines like that which you know makes fans pile on with negativity. Play like that and we’ll be absolutely fine. Created numerous brilliant chances and win comfortably on another day.

[Foxin_Mad]

18 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

"The lad needs help"? 

 

He's 39 ffs.

Some people aren't big strong confident macho men even at 39 and beyond, could be a range of things that mean he is not able to deal with the situation. 

[Cat Burger]

Chinese-Thai (elite) behaviours i've noticed:

-smile and 'wai' all the time to present yourself as polite

-save face by any means necessary

(A little anecdote, when my old mother visited me in BKK she got quite slowly into a taxi and the driver drove off while she had one leg in. Instead of apologising he laughed. This can sometimes be the reaction you get to avoid confrontation. I thought it was funny to be fair... she went mental)

-never apologise

-throw money at situations if needed rather than admit you've failed

-never let non-elites too close

-there are 'people' to do all the stuff you don't want to do.