Tommy Fresh Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said: @Otismoving the conversation to the right thread. Who is 'we'? Are you saying you knew who the people were you took into your house? We didn't, the refugees who arrived in Spain from the Ukraine didn’t have documents with them, and tbh I didn't care. Even with documentation, they are still strangers to you aren't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: Edited 15 June 2023 by Otis Moved thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 need to leave the EU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 5 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: @Otismoving the conversation to the right thread. Who is 'we'? Are you saying you knew who the people were you took into your house? We didn't, the refugees who arrived in Spain from the Ukraine didn’t have documents with them, and tbh I didn't care. Ok Spain is different then. IN The UK... If you don’t have a valid Ukrainian international passport, or an expired Ukrainian international passport with a formal extension stamp If you do not hold a valid Ukrainian international passport, or an expired Ukrainian international passport with a formal extension stamp issued by the Ukrainian government, you will need to book and attend an appointment at a visa application centre (VAC). This also applies to child applicants. During the online application process you’ll be asked to upload copies of any identity documents you may have such as: a Ukrainian national identity card a combination of official documents – for example, a photo driving licence and birth certificate an emergency certificate issued by a Ukrainian authority since March 2022 It is not mandatory to provide these documents but it may help support your application if you are able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 6 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: but surely we should be fairly open to those looking to better themselves Not really no. I couldn't just rock up in America because I fancy living there . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 4 minutes ago, Otis said: Ok Spain is different then. IN The UK... If you don’t have a valid Ukrainian international passport, or an expired Ukrainian international passport with a formal extension stamp If you do not hold a valid Ukrainian international passport, or an expired Ukrainian international passport with a formal extension stamp issued by the Ukrainian government, you will need to book and attend an appointment at a visa application centre (VAC). This also applies to child applicants. During the online application process you’ll be asked to upload copies of any identity documents you may have such as: a Ukrainian national identity card a combination of official documents – for example, a photo driving licence and birth certificate an emergency certificate issued by a Ukrainian authority since March 2022 It is not mandatory to provide these documents but it may help support your application if you are able to. You've said it yourself: It is not mandatory to provide these documents but it may help support your application if you are able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 2 minutes ago, Otis said: Not really no. I couldn't just rock up in America because I fancy living there . Way to miss the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zear0 Posted 15 June 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 15 June 2023 Actually hire staff to process asylum applications so they don't sit in hotels for years costing a fortune would be a start. It's almost like it's in this state by design to rattle cages of those of a certain political alignment... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHawk Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 Personally, I'd start by voting labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: You've said it yourself: It is not mandatory to provide these documents but it may help support your application if you are able to. The Spanish authorities must have known they were from the Ukraine and not just taken their word. I doubt they just turned up at your door and said hey we're desperate Ukraines, will you take us in. Edited 15 June 2023 by Otis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 14 minutes ago, RobHawk said: Personally, I'd start by voting labour. Ok great, so how would Labour policies improve the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPeakFox Posted 15 June 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 15 June 2023 9 minutes ago, Otis said: Ok great, so how would Labour policies improve the situation? They would replace the most corrupt, disgusting, destructive and entitled government on record. That alone would improve the situation. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 - go hard after traffickers. - set up asylum centres in appropriate countries. - build more houses and invest in social infrastructure in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 15 minutes ago, Otis said: Ok great, so how would Labour policies improve the situation? Putting your fingers in your ears, and turning back everyone who tries to arrive here is not going to solve the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 1 minute ago, Lionator said: Putting your fingers in your ears, and turning back everyone who tries to arrive here is not going to solve the problem. But who can we demonise in the run up to the next election if we have an effective and efficient processing system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 Just now, Tommy Fresh said: But who can we demonise in the run up to the next election if we have an effective and efficient processing system. Too many people claim too many benefits!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 13 minutes ago, Otis said: The Spanish authorities must have known they were from the Ukraine and not just taken their word. I doubt they just turned up at your door and said hey we're desperate Ukraines, will you take us in. The refugees we took in weren't previously processed by the Spanish government. At the height of the refugee crisis towns all over Spain were self funding buses to go to the Ukrainian border to collect refugees and bringing them back to our towns. Lorry drivers worked their time off driving coaches to collect them, we had coach companies who gave up their vehicles, charity shops gave up their stock, the response was incredible. The official processing came later. They didn't just turn up at my door, they were invited. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystonFox Posted 15 June 2023 Share Posted 15 June 2023 What is a migrant boat, sorry I mean barge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 16 June 2023 Share Posted 16 June 2023 8 hours ago, Lionator said: Putting your fingers in your ears, and turning back everyone who tries to arrive here is not going to solve the problem. Although turning everyone back isn't the right thing to do. It would actually solve the people trafficking problem. No one is going to pay 5k for a seat on a rubber dinghy if they know they'll be returned the same day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 16 June 2023 Share Posted 16 June 2023 Does this refer to the crisis caused by the lack of migrants available due to Brexit? Obviously leaving the EU was a mistake but we could make it easier for people to enter the country legally for work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 16 June 2023 Share Posted 16 June 2023 8 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: They would replace the most corrupt, disgusting, destructive and entitled government on record. That alone would improve the situation. No actaul details then apart from slagging of the current government. The title of this thread is Migrant Crisis. You've all had your childish screaming fit about how terrible the Tories are, (maybe in an attempt to get this thread closed so it isn't discussed) so let's have a grown up conversation about some real practical solutions? So far there's been very few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 16 June 2023 Share Posted 16 June 2023 17 minutes ago, Otis said: No actaul details then apart from slagging of the current government. The title of this thread is Migrant Crisis. You've all had your childish screaming fit about how terrible the Tories are, (maybe in an attempt to get this thread closed so it isn't discussed) so let's have a grown up conversation about some real practical solutions? So far there's been very few. Yes, it's all a leftie conspiracy. Rumbled. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 16 June 2023 Share Posted 16 June 2023 4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Yes, it's all a leftie conspiracy. Rumbled. It's OK to say if you don't have a solution, it's a difficult and sensitive situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 16 June 2023 Share Posted 16 June 2023 23 minutes ago, Otis said: No actaul details then apart from slagging of the current government. The title of this thread is Migrant Crisis. You've all had your childish screaming fit about how terrible the Tories are, (maybe in an attempt to get this thread closed so it isn't discussed) so let's have a grown up conversation about some real practical solutions? So far there's been very few. I believe that some practical solutions involving "legal" immigration routes have been discussed upstream in this very thread. NB. If people think this is a crisis right now, just wait until around a billion people in equatorial regions don't have enough food or potable water because their regions are simply too hot year round to sustain them. That's on its way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHawk Posted 16 June 2023 Share Posted 16 June 2023 17 minutes ago, Otis said: No actaul details then apart from slagging of the current government. The title of this thread is Migrant Crisis. You've all had your childish screaming fit about how terrible the Tories are, (maybe in an attempt to get this thread closed so it isn't discussed) so let's have a grown up conversation about some real practical solutions? So far there's been very few. I'll be honest and say I don't know what labours policy is, they may not have released it yet as we are still a way of a general election. To put it simply, the Tory government have caused this crisis, they've been in power for over a decade and have only made things alot worse. So I'd give the other team a go without the need to see actual details. What highpeakfox said puts it well, but I would go further. But I won't for you, as clearly how disgusting this government is, is lost on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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