More experienced players to bring in

[Happy Fox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66089757

Maresca said: "We need to create the right squad with the right players, and or at least players that we think can fit with our ideas. First, we have to create something important and then build.

"Bringing in Winks and Coady is a very good signal from the club. 

"They are not only very good players in terms of quality inside the pitch but we are looking for players that can be an example for the young players and for the rest of their team-mates. Conor is one of those guys, even Harry. 

"The idea is to bring in more players like that. They can help us to build something important."

 

I think that’s a good sign tbh, but bringing in a couple of younger players to balance it out would be good.

[Ric Flair]

It will be interesting, this whole rebuild is not just about getting back to the PL but the foundation to put a team together for the next 3-4 years that can sustain PL football.

 

It's a risk either way, the goal is obviously getting back up but we've also seen the struggles teams find if that squad that goes up hasn't got the ceiling to grow and improve. If we don't get up either then it's an absolute disaster as an experienced team doesn't necessarily have the benefit of learning from it.

 

I'd also be very surprised to make an innovative decision on appointing Maresca and then not put together a young and exciting squad with the intention to go up and then raise eyebrows again amongst the elite. You need a good chunk of players who's potential is extremely high.

[Bluearmyfox28]

1 hour ago, Happy Fox said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66089757

Maresca said: "We need to create the right squad with the right players, and or at least players that we think can fit with our ideas. First, we have to create something important and then build.

"Bringing in Winks and Coady is a very good signal from the club. 

"They are not only very good players in terms of quality inside the pitch but we are looking for players that can be an example for the young players and for the rest of their team-mates. Conor is one of those guys, even Harry. 

"The idea is to bring in more players like that. They can help us to build something important."

 

I think that’s a good sign tbh, but bringing in a couple of younger players to balance it out would be good.

I think the statement was regarding the mindset and approach to the game more so than experience/age.

[Dan]

All about creating the balance. I do think signings like Coady and Winks imply it's a straight effort to go back up, which it should be, as some of the talk Maresca used was as if we were going to take a team of talented kids into the league.

 

I've come round a bit to the Winks signing. I think if you're judging him off the last three years you wouldn't touch him, but it's more the feeling that he's going to be in a place where he can genuinely thrive again. His ceiling is quite high.

Edited 3 July 2023 by Dan LCFC

[Bayfox]

Like the signing of coady. Not sure about winks. But I think overall he's talking about a mindset and setting an example. Which can't be a bad thing based on the last couple of years. Whole place needs a kick up the arse.

 

If you look at last time we came up. Kevin Phillips was important not just on the pitch, he helped Vardy on the training ground and probably helped Nige set that tone and example off the pitch of the levels required.

 

I cant wait to see how we get on but so far, I'm liking his way of thinking and the fact he cleared the decks in the coaching side as well.

 

Hes definitely gonna do it is way and I'm starting to get on board his way may just be successful given a chance.

[TrentFox]

We need a stronger striker for this league. Physically stronger. I thought the rumours around Ings made a lot of sense. A Chris Wood type ….. someone who can consistently get their hands dirty and influence matches in the longest of seasons. An experienced pro would fit the mould well, for me. 

[coolhandfox]

15 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

It will be interesting, this whole rebuild is not just about getting back to the PL but the foundation to put a team together for the next 3-4 years that can sustain PL football.

 

It's a risk either way, the goal is obviously getting back up but we've also seen the struggles teams find if that squad that goes up hasn't got the ceiling to grow and improve. If we don't get up either then it's an absolute disaster as an experienced team doesn't necessarily have the benefit of learning from it.

 

I'd also be very surprised to make an innovative decision on appointing Maresca and then not put together a young and exciting squad with the intention to go up and then raise eyebrows again amongst the elite. You need a good chunk of players who's potential is extremely high.

I think about building the right culture and leadership group to support the growth and development of younger players, we have lost a lot of experience and I expect us to lose a few more. 

 

We have just lost 8 players from these age categories.

 

AGE RANGE   Number ()

26-29                   4

30+                      4

 

 

After the arrival of Coady and Winks 

 

AGE RANGE   Number 

18-22	2
23-25	10
26-29	6
30+	6

 

We are likely to move on Praet (29), Castagne (27), Vestergaard (30), and maybe Riccardo (29) and Nidid (26) leaving us with 

 

AGE RANGE   Number 

18-22	2
23-25	10
26-29	2
30+	5 *

 * 2 of which are GK 

 

I can see why the clubs thinks a few more 27+30 outfield players would be beneficial, as long as we add  3 or 4 in the 18-22 range. 

 

 

Edited 4 July 2023 by coolhandfox

[Ric Flair]

29 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I think about building the right culture and leadership group to support the growth and development of younger players, we have lost a lot of experience and I expect us to lose a few more. 

 

We have just lost 8 players from these age categories.

 

AGE RANGE   Number ()

26-29                   4

30+                      4

 

 

After the arrival of Coady and Winks 

 

AGE RANGE   Number 

18-22	2
23-25	10
26-29	6
30+	6

 

We are likely to move on Praet (29), Castagne (27), Vestergaard (30), and maybe Riccardo (29) and Nidid (26) leaving us with 

 

AGE RANGE   Number 

18-22	2
23-25	10
26-29	2
30+	5 *

 * 2 of which are GK 

 

I can see why the clubs thinks a few more 27+30 outfield players would be beneficial, as long as we add  3 or 4 in the 18-22 range. 

 

 

Yeah that makes sense, it's a trade off. Our successful period under Rodgers from the work Macia and Puel did was that we rebuilt mainly bringing in young players and moved on the old guard.

 

That enabled us to hit way above what was expected because we nailed the recruitment and they were complimented by the experienced players still delivering or rediscovering their value to the cause (Morgan and Fuchs under Rodgers).

 

We have a huge rebuild ahead with limited funds. How we negotiate this is difficult but if the intention is PL as quickly as possibly so that we can get back to challenging the top 10 again then the calibre of player has to have VAST potential, otherwise we are rebuilding again and again and it's hard to execute.

 

The main reason for the last decade was the team Pearson built had a core of 21-26 year old players who not only delivered promotion but some went on to become some of the best PL players within a few years. We need the same IMO and this surely fits in with a Maresca type appointment rather than a Parker or another middle of the road appointment.

 

I think we still need 7-8 new signings and a similar amount out the door. 3 ACM's / wingers of which I'd want a mix of potential and short term fix and the same in central midfield. I don't think we need any more experience in defence but a left footed CB such as Callum Doyle would be excellent.

[An Away Move]

15 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

It will be interesting, this whole rebuild is not just about getting back to the PL but the foundation to put a team together for the next 3-4 years that can sustain PL football.

 

It's a risk either way, the goal is obviously getting back up but we've also seen the struggles teams find if that squad that goes up hasn't got the ceiling to grow and improve. If we don't get up either then it's an absolute disaster as an experienced team doesn't necessarily have the benefit of learning from it.

 

I'd also be very surprised to make an innovative decision on appointing Maresca and then not put together a young and exciting squad with the intention to go up and then raise eyebrows again amongst the elite. You need a good chunk of players who's potential is extremely high.

Yes. This is why I hope we don’t get a load of loanees from Man City that go back to them if we go up. 

[coolhandfox]

12 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Yeah that makes sense, it's a trade off. Our successful period under Rodgers from the work Macia and Puel did was that we rebuilt mainly bringing in young players and moved on the old guard.

 

That enabled us to hit way above what was expected because we nailed the recruitment and they were complimented by the experienced players still delivering or rediscovering their value to the cause (Morgan and Fuchs under Rodgers).

 

We have a huge rebuild ahead with limited funds. How we negotiate this is difficult but if the intention is PL as quickly as possibly so that we can get back to challenging the top 10 again then the calibre of player has to have VAST potential, otherwise we are rebuilding again and again and it's hard to execute.

 

The main reason for the last decade was the team Pearson built had a core of 21-26 year old players who not only delivered promotion but some went on to become some of the best PL players within a few years. We need the same IMO and this surely fits in with a Maresca type appointment rather than a Parker or another middle of the road appointment.

 

I think we still need 7-8 new signings and a similar amount out the door. 3 ACM's / wingers of which I'd want a mix of potential and short term fix and the same in central midfield. I don't think we need any more experience in defence but a left footed CB such as Callum Doyle would be excellent.

We still had plenty of old guard with 8 players 30 + in season 2019/20

 

Having senior pros and young talent is a good idea for a club like ours and avoiding buying expensive players in their prime. 

 

The issue has been getting the right players in, we brought the wrong senior pros in 21/22 (Bertrand and Vesitguaard), and our young talent hasn't come good as yet (Daka and Soumare).

 

As you say our success is down to two good periods of recruitment one during the Pearson era and the other under Peul.

 

Our recruitment under Rodgers has been a disaster. 

 

 

[justfoxes]

16 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66089757

Maresca said: "We need to create the right squad with the right players, and or at least players that we think can fit with our ideas. First, we have to create something important and then build.

"Bringing in Winks and Coady is a very good signal from the club. 

"They are not only very good players in terms of quality inside the pitch but we are looking for players that can be an example for the young players and for the rest of their team-mates. Conor is one of those guys, even Harry. 

"The idea is to bring in more players like that. They can help us to build something important."

 

I think that’s a good sign tbh, but bringing in a couple of younger players to balance it out would be good.

All my mates who are big wolves fans were upset when wolves let go of Coady said he was a born leader stupid of the club to let him go and we’re jammy we got such a player said they should make him captain he’ll lead us back to the EPL 

[Ric Flair]

35 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

We still had plenty of old guard with 8 players 30 + in season 2019/20

 

Having senior pros and young talent is a good idea for a club like ours and avoiding buying expensive players in their prime. 

 

The issue has been getting the right players in, we brought the wrong senior pros in 21/22 (Bertrand and Vesitguaard), and our young talent hasn't come good as yet (Daka and Soumare).

 

As you say our success is down to two good periods of recruitment one during the Pearson era and the other under Peul.

 

Our recruitment under Rodgers has been a disaster. 

 

 

There lies the problem, the 8+ 30 somethings were largely players who'd been with us a number of years and been successful. With the exception of Jonny Evans we have seldom signed experience and perceived proven PL quality players and it work. 

 

I think any gaps in experience need to be as cheap as possible, even acknowledging their limitations in the length of time they'll be important to us, I'd not be against the odd player with vast Championship experience rather than buying another few players from the PL on big money but I'm only saying that based on a concern that if we fail to go up and the gravy train is turned off then blowing everything this summer on players we'll never seen a potential return on could be devastating.

 

In all honesty I want at least 3 young Flair players, this is all very boring 😂😂😂

[PhillippaT]

58 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

In all honesty I want at least 3 young Flair players, this is all very boring 😂😂😂

Especially for the RW, right?   

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, PhillippaT said:

Especially for the RW, right?   

That position is dead to me, I like those dual 10's behind the striker with a free role to drift all over 😂

[hebangsthedrums]

Look forward to a leftfield 'foreign' experienced pro a la Was/Berner (yes I know he came from Blackburn but he'd barely played there) 

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, hebangsthedrums said:

Look forward to a leftfield 'foreign' experienced pro a la Was/Berner (yes I know he came from Blackburn but he'd barely played there) 

Vasquez who he took to Parma......

[Molson Canadian]

5 hours ago, Bayfox said:

Like the signing of coady. Not sure about winks. But I think overall he's talking about a mindset and setting an example. Which can't be a bad thing based on the last couple of years. Whole place needs a kick up the arse.

 

If you look at last time we came up. Kevin Phillips was important not just on the pitch, he helped Vardy on the training ground and probably helped Nige set that tone and example off the pitch of the levels required.

 

I cant wait to see how we get on but so far, I'm liking his way of thinking and the fact he cleared the decks in the coaching side as well.

 

Hes definitely gonna do it is way and I'm starting to get on board his way may just be successful given a chance.

[PhillippaT]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

That position is dead to me, I like those dual 10's behind the striker with a free role to drift all over 😂

You prefer to have flying wing-backs then?  

[Finnegan]

We built a team last time with a healthy mixture of both.

 

Wasyl, Morgan, Huth, Philipps, Hammond, Konchesky and even GTF - all jokes aside - were a big part of our journey out of this league.

 

You've got to earn the right to start recruiting talented youngsters to upsell.

 

Edited 4 July 2023 by Finnegan

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

We built a team last time with a healthy mixture of both.

 

Wasyl, Morgan, Huth, Philipps, Hammond, Konchesky and even GTF - all jokes aside - were a big part of our journey out of this league.

 

You've got to earn the right to start recruiting talented youngsters to upsell.

 

The problem is, if you haven't got a shit load of players that can keep on improving when you come up then another overhaul is required and that's hard. 

 

I don't think we realise just how outrageous our two rebuilds under Pearson and then Puel/Rodgers were for the ceiling they then reached. 

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

The problem is, if you haven't got a shit load of players that can keep on improving when you come up then another overhaul is required and that's hard. 

 

I don't think we realise just how outrageous our two rebuilds under Pearson and then Puel/Rodgers were for the ceiling they then reached. 

 

For what it's worth I do agree and I would like us to make sure we get a fair few young prospects in before the end of the window.

 

But I think we are so, so, so criminally lacking in leadership and character at the moment that I definitely wouldn't object if we sign another player as a "leader" within the squad with the right character. Especially given these sorts of signings tend to cost less. It's not like a lot of the above mentioned older pros really broke the bank.

 

I dunno about you but personally I'd kill for another Wasilewski.

 

Edited 4 July 2023 by Finnegan

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

For what it's worth I do agree and I would like us to make sure we get a fair few young prospects in before the end of the window.

 

But I think we are so, so, so criminally lacking in leadership and character at the moment that I definitely wouldn't object if we sign another player as a "leader" within the squad with the right character. Especially given these sorts of signings tend to cost less. It's not like a lot of the above mentioned older pros really broke the bank.

 

I dunno about you but personally I'd kill for another Wasilewski.

 

I just want us to be savvy, plenty of experience on the cheap, which Pearson was a master at doing. Rather than paying big wages and transfer fees for PL clubs for perceived quality. We've not fared well with those in recent years.

[WoodyFox]

12 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

We built a team last time with a healthy mixture of both.

 

Wasyl, Morgan, Huth, Philipps, Hammond, Konchesky and even GTF - all jokes aside - were a big part of our journey out of this league.

 

You've got to earn the right to start recruiting talented youngsters to upsell.

 

Didn’t Huth join in the January of the great escape season? 

[The whole world smiles]

It goes without saying that English isn't his first language, I listened to the presser and got the impression he meant more players with the same mentality as coady and Winks not necessarily older experienced players. 

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I just want us to be savvy, plenty of experience on the cheap, which Pearson was a master at doing. Rather than paying big wages and transfer fees for PL clubs for perceived quality. We've not fared well with those in recent years.

Yeah I don't inherently agree. But maybe Enzo and Glover are better judges of character than the man obsessed with signing "broken players."

 

 

3 minutes ago, WoodyFox said:

Didn’t Huth join in the January of the great escape season? 

 

He did yeah I kinda changed the point I was trying to make halfway through the point (I'm on my fourth or fifth Pilser Urquell at this point my man.)