Harry Winks

[ceebeefox]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

Its not scandalous! Before he left, even Enzo experimented with a different take on the formation. I doubt he would have gone into the Prem blindly playing it the way he did.

 

Saying that, Coopers formation stank.

Playing a number 10 and not two number 8’s to support the wingers was and still is scandalous.

[MGLCFC]

2 hours ago, Dan said:

Winks should not be tolerated. Clubs with any self-respect (ie not us) wouldn't.

 

How should we respond? By hounding out the symptoms and letting people know we don't tolerate the dismantling of the club. To not treat a bloke who hasn't started a PL win in half a decade like he's above us.

Can't have dual standards though - I agree poor behaviour shouldn't be tolerated, so if that's the case why is Hamza still here?

[Foxmeister]

2 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

Can't have dual standards though - I agree poor behaviour shouldn't be tolerated, so if that's the case why is Hamza still here?

Hamza hasn’t stuck 2 fingers up to the club and fans in the same way Winks has.

[Nick]

We looked so much better when he came on yesterday - sad but true.

[Globalfox]

3 minutes ago, Nick said:

We looked so much better when he came on yesterday - sad but true.

No we did not we were completely awful carried no threat the whole game and was as bad as everyone else.

[ClaphamFox]

I’m a complete hypocrite because very recently I was saying that he shouldn’t come back, but having seen how much better we looked with him yesterday I think he needs to play. Our only objective right now is survival—we’re not in a position to take a moral stand on his inclusion.

[MGLCFC]

10 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

Hamza hasn’t stuck 2 fingers up to the club and fans in the same way Winks has.

Probably worse - when everyone had to follow COVID rules, he decided to go out and party. That's sticking 2 fingers up at the club and supporters.

[turkish14]

3 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Ok, let me rephrase. Based on the evidence we have, he's fallen out with 2/3 managers. Is that better? We're talking about what we have been made aware of, so all signs point to Winks being the problem. That may not be true but it's certainly more substantiated that you suggesting that he's not at fault.

 

Enzo selected him because he was his player? Then kicked up a stink when he left. That just underlines the point more.

 

Was brought back in because we were 4 cm's down this weekend, yet he was still picked behind Hamza and a 17 year old so hardly a ring endorsement.

I prefer to make my views based off actual evidence that’s proven or undeniable. 
 

If Andy King chooses to select Winks whether owing to numbers or because he feels he wants too (again assumptions made that it’s numbers driven) then I support kingy. 
 

I won’t boo a player or choose not to clap when they have been our best player on the day. 
 

if you want to be angry blame Kingy for selecting him.

[turkish14]

3 hours ago, Dan said:

Winks should not be tolerated. Clubs with any self-respect (ie not us) wouldn't.

 

How should we respond? By hounding out the symptoms and letting people know we don't tolerate the dismantling of the club. To not treat a bloke who hasn't started a PL win in half a decade like he's above us.

So we shouldn’t tolerate winks based off perceived views. Let’s say everything winks is alleged and proven to have done/behaved is true, that your right.

 

what about hamza proven behaviours?

what about mahrez proven behaviours?

what about Enzo proven behaviours? 
 

surely one rule for one should be the same for all, right? 
 

for clarity:

 

hamza social media post to Sheffield united players after they beat us. As just one example alongside the Covid party. Mahrez strop at the airport, and Enzo going back on his confirmation that he was here for our promotion season. 

[phoneticerror]

1 hour ago, Nick said:

We looked so much better when he came on yesterday - sad but true.

We were equally as shit.

[Dan]

1 hour ago, MGLCFC said:

Can't have dual standards though - I agree poor behaviour shouldn't be tolerated, so if that's the case why is Hamza still here?

I'd have binned him years ago as well. Shite.

[Dan]

12 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

So we shouldn’t tolerate winks based off perceived views. Let’s say everything winks is alleged and proven to have done/behaved is true, that your right.

 

what about hamza proven behaviours?

what about mahrez proven behaviours?

what about Enzo proven behaviours? 
 

surely one rule for one should be the same for all, right? 
 

for clarity:

 

hamza social media post to Sheffield united players after they beat us. As just one example alongside the Covid party. Mahrez strop at the airport, and Enzo going back on his confirmation that he was here for our promotion season. 

Choudhury is also shite and should be binned as well. Don't take this as a defence of him.

 

If it was up to me I'd have overhauled things radically years ago. Have wanted at least 15 in and out for the last few windows.

[Foxmeister]

30 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

So we shouldn’t tolerate winks based off perceived views. Let’s say everything winks is alleged and proven to have done/behaved is true, that your right.

 

what about hamza proven behaviours?

what about mahrez proven behaviours?

what about Enzo proven behaviours? 
 

surely one rule for one should be the same for all, right? 
 

for clarity:

 

hamza social media post to Sheffield united players after they beat us. As just one example alongside the Covid party. Mahrez strop at the airport, and Enzo going back on his confirmation that he was here for our promotion season. 

Neither Mahrez or Enzo are at the club to boo them.

Hamza says he accidentally liked the tweet, only he knows if that’s true but it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve done that and I dare say I’m not the only one.

 

The COVID thing is clutching at straws for an argument. He shouldn’t have done it and he was rightly disciplined for it. It was in no way a deliberate goading of the club and supporters in the way that Winks’ post, during a game, was.

[Parker Pen]

Good yesterday when he came on and head and shoulders our best available midfielder and both he and Page did well. He switched play well tracked back and got stuck in!  For 25 minutes in the second half we didn’t look like we were down to 10.  If only that half arsed Ayew had stuck the penalty away.

[MGLCFC]

6 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

Neither Mahrez or Enzo are at the club to boo them.

Hamza says he accidentally liked the tweet, only he knows if that’s true but it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve done that and I dare say I’m not the only one.

 

The COVID thing is clutching at straws for an argument. He shouldn’t have done it and he was rightly disciplined for it. It was in no way a deliberate goading of the club and supporters in the way that Winks’ post, during a game, was.

Come on, Hamza has had more than one major issue whilst at LCFC. Liking contentious Palestinian Tweets, drunk driving, alleged tweets after Sheff U game. The COVID thing is hardly clutching at straws. Society were having to follow strict rules and because he's a well paid 'footballer' he thinks he can do as he pleases and rules don't apply to him. I honestly wanted to club to sack him, along with others, who broke the rules. Losing loved ones is a high price to pay and when footballers simply flout the rules because they can't restrain themselves like most others had to, it's a complete lack of thought and a 'couldn't care less' attitude.

[turkish14]

13 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

Neither Mahrez or Enzo are at the club to boo them.

Hamza says he accidentally liked the tweet, only he knows if that’s true but it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve done that and I dare say I’m not the only one.

 

The COVID thing is clutching at straws for an argument. He shouldn’t have done it and he was rightly disciplined for it. It was in no way a deliberate goading of the club and supporters in the way that Winks’ post, during a game, was.

Enzo was more of a “if he comes back” would that be okay with fans after the way he left?

 

Some would argue Mahrez airport exploits derailed our season. 
 

my point is that there have been many examples over the years of players disrespecting the club, proven or not. 
 

However irrespective of they as people, I support the players on the pitch and will not boo individuals. Collectively yes if the team have not demonstrated desire, energy etc.. there the minimum requirements even if technically they are shit. 
 

yesterday defeat in my opinion was mainly down to Okoli. I felt the players worked hard, and I seen some positives in a sorry season. 

[turkish14]

39 minutes ago, Dan said:

Choudhury is also shite and should be binned as well. Don't take this as a defence of him.

 

If it was up to me I'd have overhauled things radically years ago. Have wanted at least 15 in and out for the last few windows.

I agree that hamza is not good enough, and should be moved on. But again despite his proven negative/disresptful  actions over the years and all round lazy approach, I still wouldn’t boo him. 
 

mahrez infuriated me. Likewise fofana, these players are ones that deserve shit for forcing moves. 

[honeybradger]

21 hours ago, BrilliantFox said:

Ever since Cifuentes kicked him out the squad, our results have been poor.

I couldn't care less about his personality or living habits, we're at a point now where we just need the best players to play on the pitch.

 

Maresca was constantly foaming at the mouth about how important Winks was when we won this league.

Our results actually improved after he was bombed out the squad.

 

3 wins in 14 when he's started. 4 wins in 11 with him dropped.

 

Crap either way but fans are quick to forget how disgustingly poor Winks has been for us on the pitch for the last two seasons.

[daddylonglegs]

Either not watching properly (totally understandable) or you just absolutely hate Harry winks (totally understandable) if you think we weren’t better when he came on yesterday. 
 

He passes the ball forward and makes semi competent decisions on the ball, an enormous improvement on the child & the cretin who started in midfield. 

[Katy]

2 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

Come on, Hamza has had more than one major issue whilst at LCFC. Liking contentious Palestinian Tweets, drunk driving, alleged tweets after Sheff U game. The COVID thing is hardly clutching at straws. Society were having to follow strict rules and because he's a well paid 'footballer' he thinks he can do as he pleases and rules don't apply to him. I honestly wanted to club to sack him, along with others, who broke the rules. Losing loved ones is a high price to pay and when footballers simply flout the rules because they can't restrain themselves like most others had to, it's a complete lack of thought and a 'couldn't care less' attitude.

After the driving under the influence charge we should’ve terminated his contract, instead we vice-captained him. Shocking behaviour. 

[Arkie Bennett]

I've seen several comments lavishing praise on Winks and suggesting he was at the centre of a much improved team performance yesterday. I saw a player doing the basics while not stretching himself, not creating anything of note, and not contributing anything special to what the team did. He made one tackle, and created two chances (by comparison Chowdhury made no tackles and created one chance in half the time). I saw Winks give a perfunctory performance against mediocre opponents who beat us comfortably and were content to sit on their lead. To his credit, he didn't make any costly mistakes, which I suppose qualifies him for massive commendation in our world. We set the bar very low these days.

[OntarioFox]

5 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

Hamza hasn’t stuck 2 fingers up to the club and fans in the same way Winks has.

Plus the obvious, cynical answer is that Hamza's Bangladeshi fanclub are the only ones driving interactions and ad revenue on anything the club post online nowadays. As ridiculous as it sounds, he's the only 'marquee' player the club have right now to attract any sort of overseas fan. Daka's lot have finally realised he's shit, the standard of football in South Asia by comparison is so shocking that he's unironically like Messi to them.  I highly doubt a few clicks and spam comments is worth the £50k a week we pay him, mind you...

 

Helps bury the King Power / Rudkin Out comments too, yaknow. Which is probably the real reason. 

Edited 1 February by OntarioFox

[MGLCFC]

1 hour ago, Arkie Bennett said:

I've seen several comments lavishing praise on Winks and suggesting he was at the centre of a much improved team performance yesterday. I saw a player doing the basics while not stretching himself, not creating anything of note, and not contributing anything special to what the team did. He made one tackle, and created two chances (by comparison Chowdhury made no tackles and created one chance in half the time). I saw Winks give a perfunctory performance against mediocre opponents who beat us comfortably and were content to sit on their lead. To his credit, he didn't make any costly mistakes, which I suppose qualifies him for massive commendation in our world. We set the bar very low these days.

I hear what you are saying, but I saw much more improvement with 10 men once he was introduced, than I've seen in many performances over the past few months with XI men. I'm not saying he was outstanding or did anything that was overly dynamic, but for me he moved the ball quicker and forward and got into positions where he could score. I think if Ayew puts the penalty away, the potential victory may not have been so comfortable for our opponents.

Edited 1 February by MGLCFC

[adejo92]

I mean, I pretty much despise the whole squad so the fact he has some footballing ability gets him into my line up straight away.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

17 hours ago, Dan said:

Gobsmacked how many are caving in on Winks. I mean **** me, am I imagining we lost to Charlton Athletic?

 

We've got to stop being so weak and spineless. Pandering to the likes of Winks is why we're here. Tinpot mentality.

I think there’s an obvious reason why people are caving in… we’re not exactly blessed with fit central midfielders in the squad right now and of the few that are available, he’s clearly one of the better ones.

 

In the situation we’re in, we really can’t be precious - we desperately need to find a win from somewhere and all things equal, we stand a better chance of that if he’s part of the squad right now.

 

You can also add to this that not playing him would be a waste of the reported £80,000 a week we’re paying him.

Edited 1 February by DJ Barry Hammond