Hamza Choudhury

[Richmondfox]

7 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Did he needlessly and recklessly endanger innocent people's lives by drink driving? Absolutely yes.

Should he have received the punishment he received? Absolutely yes.

Does he deserve to be forever chastised over it? Absolutely not.

 

I don't think he's quite the villain you're portraying him as.

Forgetting his off the field decisions and perceived personality traits, he’s just not very good at his job. He is a known known.  One of many weak links and if he looks like a stand out player then the team is in a worse place than we thought. 

[dmayne7]

4 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Did he needlessly and recklessly endanger innocent people's lives by drink driving? Absolutely yes.

Should he have received the punishment he received? Absolutely yes.

Does he deserve to be forever chastised over it? Absolutely not.

 

I don't think he's quite the villain you're portraying him as.

As I said I another post after this, I don't think that the offence alone means he should be shunned from society forever, no. But it's also not the only misdemeanor and so collectively, it doesn't paint a very good picture of the type of person he is does it?

 

On the punishment aspect, I'd also disagree with that. There's the legal punishment which I would argue is not satisfactory, but that's what it is so they shouldn't make any changes just for him, meaning you can say that is 'fair'. However, he was then given the captain's armband a matter of days later when the crime came to light. Frankly a bizarre way to react to it and further indication that the standards of the club have completely fallen. I do think that's much of a punishment.

[Claridge]

Wonder why Hamza gets so much stick for his stupid actions as a young man

I mean surely all the holier than though posters on here must equally dislike Vardy for his convictions as a young man as well

 

Young people do stupid things all the time, they get punished if caught and hopefully grow out it

[AKCJ]

Just now, dmayne7 said:

As I said I another post after this, I don't think that the offence alone means he should be shunned from society forever, no. But it's also not the only misdemeanor and so collectively, it doesn't paint a very good picture of the type of person he is does it?

 

On the punishment aspect, I'd also disagree with that. There's the legal punishment which I would argue is not satisfactory, but that's what it is so they shouldn't make any changes just for him, meaning you can say that is 'fair'. However, he was then given the captain's armband a matter of days later when the crime came to light. Frankly a bizarre way to react to it and further indication that the standards of the club have completely fallen. I do think that's much of a punishment.

9 month ban and a 20 grand fine. By all reports he was extremely embarrassed by the whole situation too. Seems fair punishment to me.

 

I think it's unfair that you're making out that this is all normal behaviour for him. What other misdemeanours are there? 

 

I don't have a problem with him being given the armband. His attitude has only ever been spot on in a Leicester shirt.

[Chelmofox]

50 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

I should be clear and say that I don't think he should be made a pariah for life because of this because it could have been worse. But what I take objection to is the fact that it's not an isolated incident of this sort of behaviour clearly indicates a questionable personality. Not really the sort of person I want representing the club but I'm also not naïve enough to think I wouldn't be more forgiving of it if he was a world class footballer, which he isn't.

 

And it's really that last line that grates on me. You're absolutely correct but it shouldn't be deemed acceptable. As a minimum they should be held to the same standards as the rest of us but really, being an elite sportsperson probably means you should be held to higher account. In the case of drink driving, the only mitigating factor would be that you simply cannot afford to leave you car and get a taxi (an incredibly weak excuse), and that doesn't apply to Hamza.

 

It's slightly sad as he is in a unique position to be a role model for the British Asians in Leicester and more broadly for British Asians in football, but he sets a dreadful example.

He was fined 20k and lost his licence for 40 months. He was held to account. In the same situation i wouldn't expect to lose my job.

[dmayne7]

5 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

9 month ban and a 20 grand fine. By all reports he was extremely embarrassed by the whole situation too. Seems fair punishment to me.

 

I think it's unfair that you're making out that this is all normal behaviour for him. What other misdemeanours are there? 

 

I don't have a problem with him being given the armband. His attitude has only ever been spot on in a Leicester shirt.

I personally think it should carried a prison sentence which is why i said he's probably been dealt with fairly in terms of how the current law works. Though I would imagine he was given the option of a £20k fine to avoid prison. Again, a privilege that a 'normal' person doesn't have.

 

He was part of COVID party (I incorrectly suggested that he had organised it which I don't think is the case) that helped derail that season. A time when the majority of us were still cooped up yet he was being allowed to play and train every day and have somewhat of a normal life

 

He has been charged and fined for multiple instances of dodgy posts on social media. Oh, and he's got in hot water for doing that again.

 

I don't think he's the worst human being alive. But there is clear evidence that he's pretty lacking in moral fibre and decision making. I'm not talking about 1 lapse in judgement, it's a pattern of behaviour. On the captaincy, I guess you and I are very different people then. Actually find it staggering that you think it's ok for him to be made captain days after he broke the law in an act that is supremely selfish and puts others people's lives at risk. The impact of a football captain on the pitch is pretty minimal so it's more of a ceremonial position, and therefore the off the pitch behaviour is massively important. Sent completely the wrong message.

[AKCJ]

2 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

I personally think it should carried a prison sentence which is why i said he's probably been dealt with fairly in terms of how the current law works. Though I would imagine he was given the option of a £20k fine to avoid prison. Again, a privilege that a 'normal' person doesn't have.

A privilege he doesn't have either, by the way.

 

2 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

He was part of COVID party (I incorrectly suggested that he had organised it which I don't think is the case) that helped derail that season. A time when the majority of us were still cooped up yet he was being allowed to play and train every day and have somewhat of a normal life

If we're making a list of young adults who broke covid restrictions to party then we're talking hundreds of thousands. Rightly punished by the club but it's hardly crime of the century.

 

2 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

He has been charged and fined for multiple instances of dodgy posts on social media. Oh, and he's got in hot water for doing that again.

Posts he made while he was a literal child. The "hot water" he was put in later was for his show of support to Palestine. I would say that shows he's a lad with a moral compass.

 

2 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

I don't think he's the worst human being alive. But there is clear evidence that he's pretty lacking in moral fibre and decision making. I'm not talking about 1 lapse in judgement, it's a pattern of behaviour. On the captaincy, I guess you and I are very different people then. Actually find it staggering that you think it's ok for him to be made captain days after he broke the law in an act that is supremely selfish and puts others people's lives at risk. The impact of a football captain on the pitch is pretty minimal so it's more of a ceremonial position, and therefore the off the pitch behaviour is massively important. Sent completely the wrong message.

He wasn't made captain as a result of him breaking the law. He was already in line for the armband. With Ricardo and Vardy missing it was always him next in line. Vardy came off the bench and he took the armband IIRC. Plus he had already captained us before that twice.

[Muzzy_no7]

36 minutes ago, Claridge said:

Wonder why Hamza gets so much stick for his stupid actions as a young man

I mean surely all the holier than though posters on here must equally dislike Vardy for his convictions as a young man as well

 

Young people do stupid things all the time, they get punished if caught and hopefully grow out it

Don’t be cryptic, say what you want to say. 

[1972 Fox]

12 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Will do a job for us this season, especially when winks or skipp look like they’d struggle physically with the opposition in that cdm area (assuming we no longer have wilf and bouba ) 

Why do you as assume this? It's quite clear that we are unable to shift the dross we have in our squad (many more than just these two) due to the overpaid contracts we have given to so many crap players.

 

Edited 28 July 2025 by 1972 Fox

[davieG]

2 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

He was a ****head for doing that, but im not holding it against him for life. Lots of wealthy and not wealthy people have been caught over the limit. Heck, there are lots of fans around me on matchday who drink several pints and still drive on a matchday and i bet most of them know they are close if not just over the limit. Doesnt make it any better that they are not millionaires. Its been dealt with by the law, as it has with anyone else thats been caught. This isn't me sticking up for him, i've always felt Hamza isn't a great role model, but i think we need to move on from these and we have to accept that most young footballers make idiot decisions.

They do make idiot decisions so do none footballers but moving on should stop at being allowed to play it should not allow him to be a Captain of the team/club.

[TeamRocket]

2 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

He was a ****head for doing that, but im not holding it against him for life. Lots of wealthy and not wealthy people have been caught over the limit. Heck, there are lots of fans around me on matchday who drink several pints and still drive on a matchday and i bet most of them know they are close if not just over the limit. Doesnt make it any better that they are not millionaires. Its been dealt with by the law, as it has with anyone else thats been caught. This isn't me sticking up for him, i've always felt Hamza isn't a great role model, but i think we need to move on from these and we have to accept that most young footballers make idiot decisions.

This! 100% agree 

[dmayne7]

13 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

A privilege he doesn't have either, by the way.

 

If we're making a list of young adults who broke covid restrictions to party then we're talking hundreds of thousands. Rightly punished by the club but it's hardly crime of the century.

 

Posts he made while he was a literal child. The "hot water" he was put in later was for his show of support to Palestine. I would say that shows he's a lad with a moral compass.

 

He wasn't made captain as a result of him breaking the law. He was already in line for the armband. With Ricardo and Vardy missing it was always him next in line. Vardy came off the bench and he took the armband IIRC. Plus he had already captained us before that twice.

But the privilege he does have is that being fined less than half a weeks wage and not being able to drive has very little impact on him. He can easily afford taxis/private driver everywhere. A normal person would potentially lose all independence/their job as they can't get to and from it etc. The impact was meaningless for him.

 

But we're not making a list of other young people are we? We're talking about Hamza Choudhury. And even if we were, how many of those young people were given special dispensation to circumvent loads of the restrictions and yet still went further and broke more? Also he wasn't a kid, he's been playing mens football for 5+ years, not some teenager.

 

You claimed ignorance to his other misdemeanours so I provided some of them. I think it was silly they went back to when he was 15/16 but the point stands; there's a continuous stream of off the field incidents.

 

I didn't say he was made captain because he broke the law but that it happened straight after. So what if he was next in line? Why not just pick somebody else for the next week or 2. Whether intentional or not, the club sent a message to say that it doesn't matter how you behave, you'll still be rewarded.

[Lambert09]

We have a lot of do-gooders on this forum don’t we? 
 

Any stick to wack someone with is always used here. 
 

find any 30 young lads and you’ll find some with similar mistakes in life. Hopefully learnt from it and moved on as should we. 
 

And id bet out of 30 people writing on this thread, a majority have driven when over the limit as well 

Edited 28 July 2025 by Lambert09

[AKCJ]

8 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

But the privilege he does have is that being fined less than half a weeks wage and not being able to drive has very little impact on him. He can easily afford taxis/private driver everywhere. A normal person would potentially lose all independence/their job as they can't get to and from it etc. The impact was meaningless for him.

So how do you punish a rich person? Whichever way you slice it, £20k is a lot of money to pay for a quick drive into town.

 

Yes he is fortunate that he is in a position to get around his driving ban with lifts/taxis etc but what do you propose should have happened this? What punishment is fair?

 

8 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

But we're not making a list of other young people are we? We're talking about Hamza Choudhury. And even if we were, how many of those young people were given special dispensation to circumvent loads of the restrictions and yet still went further and broke more? Also he wasn't a kid, he's been playing mens football for 5+ years, not some teenager.

 

You claimed ignorance to his other misdemeanours so I provided some of them. I think it was silly they went back to when he was 15/16 but the point stands; there's a continuous stream of off the field incidents.

There really isn't a continuous stream of off the field incidents though, is there? He sent some stupid tweets as a child and went to a party when he shouldn't have. Is that really cause for all this pearl clutching?

 

8 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

I didn't say he was made captain because he broke the law but that it happened straight after. So what if he was next in line? Why not just pick somebody else for the next week or 2. Whether intentional or not, the club sent a message to say that it doesn't matter how you behave, you'll still be rewarded.

The club would have discussed internally what should happen and they clearly decided that it was in the team's best interests for him to remain as 3rd/4th choice captain. I don't think the message says that it doesn't matter how you behave or indeed that he was rewarded. He didn't gain anything from drink driving and I suspect that if he had done something worse that he would have been punished more severely.

 

As others have said, he looks like a choir boy when you compare him to Jamie Vardy.

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, dmayne7 said:

I personally think it should carried a prison sentence....

You don't get to decide how the law is upheld. There was a process that decided that.

 

24 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

But the privilege he does have is that being fined less than half a weeks wage and not being able to drive has very little impact on him.

You could say the same thing about the VAT Hamza pays everytime he buys something. Any other 'on the spot fine' doesnt take disposable income into consideration.

Edited 28 July 2025 by Chelmofox

[Claridge]

49 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Don’t be cryptic, say what you want to say. 

Got curly hair

[MPH]

28 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

We have a lot of do-gooders on this forum don’t we? 
 

Any stick to wack someone with is always used here. 
 

find any 30 young lads and you’ll find some with similar mistakes in life. Hopefully learnt from it and moved on as should we. 
 

And id bet out of 30 people writing on this thread, a majority have driven when over the limit as well 

 

the problem of course is that Hamza is being used by the club to reach out to young people  in the community who are interested in football. He’s visited schools, those in the Bangladeshi community, he’s met with youth teams, visited children in hospital.  No offense, but the likes of you and me don’t do that. We, for the most part do mundane jobs. We are role models to maybe just our family. 

Edited 28 July 2025 by MPH

[dmayne7]

20 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

So how do you punish a rich person? Whichever way you slice it, £20k is a lot of money to pay for a quick drive into town.

 

Yes he is fortunate that he is in a position to get around his driving ban with lifts/taxis etc but what do you propose should have happened this? What punishment is fair?

 

There really isn't a continuous stream of off the field incidents though, is there? He sent some stupid tweets as a child and went to a party when he shouldn't have. Is that really cause for all this pearl clutching?

 

The club would have discussed internally what should happen and they clearly decided that it was in the team's best interests for him to remain as 3rd/4th choice captain. I don't think the message says that it doesn't matter how you behave or indeed that he was rewarded. He didn't gain anything from drink driving and I suspect that if he had done something worse that he would have been punished more severely.

 

As others have said, he looks like a choir boy when you compare him to Jamie Vardy.

As I said, I believe a prison term is correct but that's my opinion. You say that if he had done something worse he'd have been punished more severely by the club. He literally had no punishment from the club, if anything, what appears to have been a reward (again, not the intention). Let's hope nobody you know ever dies because some tool is way over the limit, especially if that's what it takes you to realise that it's a pretty serious offence.

 

It is a stream of incidents. Bear in mind these are just the ones that are in the public domain. You claimed you were aware of no other incidents but then you suddenly seemed to know exactly the cases I was referring to. So you're clearly in denial about Hamza's misgivings. I don't know the guy and neither do you I'm guessing so I can only base my opinion on what evidence there is of his behaviour. There is demonstrable evidence of him not being a great guy and little evidence to the contrary.

 

On Vardy, what has he done in his time as a professional footballer apart from the casino incident? Genuinely not aware of things he has done (excluding his wife and his time pre football) I certainly don't think he's a saint at all and his general demeanour is one of the reasons I'd never have quite the same affection to him as I might other players (doesn't mean I didn't love him as a player and that he's not the greatest in the history of this club).

Edited 28 July 2025 by dmayne7

[dmayne7]

12 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

You don't get to decide how the law is upheld. There was a process that decided that.

 

You could say the same thing about the VAT Hamza pays everytime he buys something. Any other 'on the spot fine' doesnt take disposable income into consideration.

It's almost like I didn't say that the punishment was fair in the context of the law in my other post...

 

For this comments, I was asked a question about what I think would be a fair punishment so I gave my answer to that.

 

Thanks for injecting by removing the context and ignoring what was said

[ClaphamFox]

9 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

the problem of course is that Hamza is being used by the club to reach out to young people  in the community who are interested in football. He’s visited schools, those in the Bangladeshi community, he’s met with youth teams, visited children in hospital.  No offense, but the likes of you and me don’t do that. We, for the most part do mundane jobs. We are role models to maybe just our family. 

Expecting footballers to be role models is a daft idea that invariably ends in tears. Not only are they typically of an age when young people tend to make mistakes anyway, they're also in the unusual position of being ludicrously well paid and in receipt of vastly more attention/idolization than virtually all of their peers. It's not difficult to understand how this combination of youth, fame and extreme wealth can mess with their heads. I'm not suggesting there shouldn't consequences when they step out of line (far from it), but trying to hold them to a higher standard of behaviour than is realistic just leads to disappointment when they inevitably fall short.

[funkyrobot]

3 hours ago, Joe90 said:

Hamza is nowhere near prem quality you stating he can do a job when required in the prem is a complete myth! Yea an average championship player at best, but he’s nothing more, 

As squad enforcer he’s got something to offer. Can cover multiple positions. He’s certainly no worse than Skipp in midfield based on what we’ve witnessed, no worse than Justin at RB and in that role he can play inverted which Justin is unable. Useful sub option.

[AKCJ]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Expecting footballers to be role models is a daft idea that invariably ends in tears. Not only are they typically of an age when young people tend to make mistakes anyway, they're also in the unusual position of being ludicrously well paid and in receipt of vastly more attention/idolization than virtually all of their peers. It's not difficult to understand how this combination of youth, fame and extreme wealth can mess with their heads. I'm not suggesting there shouldn't consequences when they step out of line (far from it), but trying to hold them to a higher standard of behaviour than is realistic just leads to disappointment when they inevitably fall short.

I don't think money or fame has anything to do with it.

 

Drunk young men are stupid and do stupid things. Always have been and always will be.

 

"All" Hamza has done is sent some daft tweets, driven his car under the influence and gone to a party during lockdown. Frankly, he's only done what the majority of men his age have done. 

 

Shouts of prison time are just laughable. 

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

the problem of course is that Hamza is being used by the club to reach out to young people  in the community who are interested in football. He’s visited schools, those in the Bangladeshi community, he’s met with youth teams, visited children in hospital.  No offense, but the likes of you and me don’t do that. We, for the most part do mundane jobs. We are role models to maybe just our family. 

But it’s not like he signed up to be a teacher. He just happens to get paid for something that is very popular and try’s to use that for good in the community. 
 

Still going to be human at the end of it all and will make the same mistakes as everyone else, they just have it exacerbated because of the lime light.  
 

 

[OntarioFox]

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[Corky]

He's an average squad player who plays well occasionally and lives off it. Goes on loan to mixed reviews, returns and we have the same debate as before.

 

We'll basically keep extending his contract because the irregular decent games get hyped up.