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David Hankey

Premier league clubs to vote on scrapping VAR

By David Hankey, in Leicester City Forum

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Nalis

Nalis

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7 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Really?

 

Chelsea, huh?

 

 

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'Which part of Chilwell body is offside?'

 

His ego for a start

 

 

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rugbyblue

rugbyblue

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43 minutes ago, pkonline said:

The current version of VAR is terrible and fans lose out.

Back to drawing board and design a proper VAR system that is quicker, involves the fans in stadium, and is used for specific decisions only.

No var.  No tech. Down to ref and linos (yes linos, not assistants) only.  Football became the most popular game on the planet without these things. We already moan about lack of atmosphere at games.  A goal check and muted cheer after a check only makes it worse.  

Lcfcbisto

Lcfcbisto

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The fans got together and showed the country/world what it thought about the European super league, could we not take this as a chance to do the same. If every fan showed their individual club how they felt with protests and petitions they would have to listen.

 

i have no idea how to make that happen but would support anyone who could in anyway I could.

 

could fan groups get together?

Dan

Dan

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Notice how they have to go away and try and fix it 'every' single summer since it was introduced? Sometimes the resolution is the simplest one.

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Fear Of The Fox

Fear Of The Fox

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17 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

VAR itself isn't the problem. They've gone absolutely crazy with the implementation of it and the remit of "clear and obvious" has never been adhered to. They rolled it out too quick and it's snowballed ever since. Reckon this is sadly a futile vote but something needs doing 

This. The technology isn't the issue. The problem is the people that use it and the comedic rules of the sport. 

- Bring back the offside rule as it was in the 80s and 90s.

- Bring back the handball rule as it was back then again. 

- Bring back the passive offside rule when a player in a previous offside position is involved in scoring a goal. 

Then use VAR having behind the screens people that know the sport properly. When using VAR:

- Straight red cards for obvious simulation inside the box.

- Open mic for the communication between the VAR and the ref. 1min limit for the decisions with a countdown. Decisions that last longer are clearly not obvious.

 

 

Parker Pen

Parker Pen

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Needs binning in its current shambolic state! We have come from ‘check the badge decision making’  a season without it where there were a few mistakes but on the whole you have to get on with it. Fills me with dread going back to it.

 

Also bin off the current offside rule and return it to how it was prior to this active and inactive nonsense. Offside is offside in my book even if you are down feigning an injury!

Chelmofox

Chelmofox

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4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

VAR itself isn't the problem. They've gone absolutely crazy with the implementation of it and the remit of "clear and obvious" has never been adhered to. They rolled it out too quick and it's snowballed ever since. Reckon this is sadly a futile vote but something needs doing 

The whole process is now riddled with fear, mostly due to clubs reactions when they aren't happy (same clubs are silent when decisions are in their favour).  In too many cases fans don't know what is going on, nor do many understand the VAR rules (clear and obvious being one of them - many fans still think it applies to offsides, which it doesn't).  The offside decisions in the last few Prem games i've seen (one took an age in the Villa/Liverpool game), the footage they show from the VAR officials now doesn't show the lines being drawn. The lines are a farcical process anyway, so i suppose they don't want to expose the process.

 

No chance the PL clubs vote against it though, as the long term goal will be for a fully automated system, but i hope we see some reforms:

 

If we can't use the automated offside system, then scrap it. The VAR officials shouldn't be drawing lines and the decision should be almost instant. If this happens, i think fans accept it and move on from offsides. If for whatever reason the automated solution is not ready, scrap VAR for offsides until it's ready.

 

I would also like to see less interventions for fouls. I would rather go with onfield decisions and if there is dangerous play then apply red card bans retrospectively.  These decisions usually need the most time to assess and ironically even if it takes minutes to look into, more time is actually needed to review the incident.

 

No idea what to do about handballs. These are the ones that should be most subject to 'clear and obvious', be we frequently see these overruled and become completely subjective in slow motion. Maybe the solution is to completely losen the 'clear and obvious' rule and only overrule horrendous decisions. But clubs will just whinge when they don't like it.

 

 

foxfanazer

foxfanazer

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Some of the most iconic moments in football are refereeing mistakes caused by human error. Nobody should expect perfection 

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foxfanazer

foxfanazer

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1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

The whole process is now riddled with fear, mostly due to clubs reactions when they aren't happy (same clubs are silent when decisions are in their favour).  In too many cases fans don't know what is going on, nor do many understand the VAR rules (clear and obvious being one of them - many fans still think it applies to offsides, which it doesn't).  The offside decisions in the last few Prem games i've seen (one took an age in the Villa/Liverpool game), the footage they show from the VAR officials now doesn't show the lines being drawn. The lines are a farcical process anyway, so i suppose they don't want to expose the process.

 

No chance the PL clubs vote against it though, as the long term goal will be for a fully automated system, but i hope we see some reforms:

 

If we can't use the automated offside system, then scrap it. The VAR officials shouldn't be drawing lines and the decision should be almost instant. If this happens, i think fans accept it and move on from offsides. If for whatever reason the automated solution is not ready, scrap VAR for offsides until it's ready.

 

I would also like to see less interventions for fouls. I would rather go with onfield decisions and if there is dangerous play then apply red card bans retrospectively.  These decisions usually need the most time to assess and ironically even if it takes minutes to look into, more time is actually needed to review the incident.

 

No idea what to do about handballs. These are the ones that should be most subject to 'clear and obvious', be we frequently see these overruled and become completely subjective in slow motion. Maybe the solution is to completely losen the 'clear and obvious' rule and only overrule horrendous decisions. But clubs will just whinge when they don't like it.

 

 

Well for a start the handball rule should be the same in may as it was in August. None of this changing the interpretation halfway through the season. 

 

For me the big thing is the detriment it has to goal celebrations in stadiums and watching games on TV. That's far more important than striving for perfectly refereed games

foxfanazer

foxfanazer

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1 minute ago, Corky said:

Can't see 14 going against VAR but will be interesting to see who puts themselves forward.

 

 

Hope it's made public. Anyone that votes to keep it (ourselves included) better not moan about it in future 

Chelmofox

Chelmofox

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20 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

This. The technology isn't the issue. The problem is the people that use it and the comedic rules of the sport. 

- Bring back the offside rule as it was in the 80s and 90s.

- Bring back the handball rule as it was back then again. 

- Bring back the passive offside rule when a player in a previous offside position is involved in scoring a goal. 

Then use VAR having behind the screens people that know the sport properly. When using VAR:

- Straight red cards for obvious simulation inside the box.

- Open mic for the communication between the VAR and the ref. 1min limit for the decisions with a countdown. Decisions that last longer are clearly not obvious.

 

 

The technology is the issue. There isn't a working system to make decisions instantly, especially for offsides. A system that requires the official to manually work out the 'frame' in which the ball was struck, and where the lines need to be drawn (they decide the frickin body part there and then) is a technology that isn't fit for purpose.

 

Furthermore, all VAR ads to handballs and fould is the abilty to slow motion. Anything around intent, and position of the arm etc is down to interpretation.

 

The tech doesn't work.

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Gazza M

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I can take a bad decision from on field officials. Can't take celebrating like a looney for up to 30 seconds to have hopes dashed by a mm offside discovered by VAR. Get rid.

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