Foxes Trust VAR Survey

[Foxes_Trust]

Following Wolverhampton Wanderers proposal to the Premier League that VAR should be scrapped, Trusts around the country are asking either their members, the wider fanbase of their club or both in separate surveys for their views on VAR (which is the approach the Foxes Trust is taking).  

 

Below is a link to our survey which will only take a minute to complete. Please take this opportunity to choose the option which most closely matches your views.

 

The deadline for completion is May 31st, but why not complete as soon as you have read this post

 

Complete Survey by clicking HERE

[goose2010]

Nice for the the clubs to try and make the fans feel that their opinion actually matters. But let's be honest it really doesn't. 

 

Fans in the country have little to zero power with their own clubs let alone the league it's self. 

 

 

Edited 22 May by goose2010

[MPH]

There’s too much money in football to scrap VAR now.  Before VAR refereeing decisions were found to be 86% accurate, since VAR was introduced, Refereeing decisions are now 97% accurate( or something very similar!)

 

 My main concern is that, legally, it could get very messy without VAR with clubs suing for bad decisions or demanding games are replayed. Plus, referees are more open  to corruption and taking payments without VAR.

 

I wish we had never gone down this road, but I don’t see how we can go back…

Edited 22 May by MPH

[CosbehFox]

15 minutes ago, MPH said:

I wish we had never gone down this road, but I don’t see how we can go back…

Sweden took the stand recently not to adopted it 

[MPH]

3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Sweden took the stand recently not to adopted it 

 

there’s probably twenty fold the amount of money in the prem than in Sweden so I’d imagine the stakes are much higher, here…

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

there’s probably twenty fold the amount of money in the prem than in Sweden so I’d imagine the stakes are much higher, here…

All relative to the economy of the country and the size of their respective clubs budgets. E.g what’s small in England is big in Sweden. 
 

Honestly think the point you make about legal challenges because a lack of VAR is nonsense. 
 

Why? 
 

1. The use of VAR is still controlled by an individual with a subjective opinion. This doesn’t change with or without it. It’s always the referees decision excepting offsides (bar inference decisions)

 

2. We have games currently played in the FA Cup and League Cup without any VAR. There’s been no legal challenge to an incorrect decision there. 
 

3. Good example of the game between Villa and Sheffield United during Covid lockdown. The goal line technology didn’t work, VAR didn’t step in despite good evidence. Villa stayed up, Bournemouth went down. Despite seek legal advice, Bournemouth did not pursue a claim of compensation or a replay of the game. 

[Vlad the Fox]

Voted to get rid. Money invested in it shouldn’t come into consideration when it’s spoiling the enjoyment of the game for players, managers/coaches and supporters (especially match going supporters).

[MPH]

2 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

All relative to the economy of the country and the size of their respective clubs budgets. E.g what’s small in England is big in Sweden. 
 

Honestly think the point you make about legal challenges because a lack of VAR is nonsense. 
 

Why? 
 

1. The use of VAR is still controlled by an individual with a subjective opinion. This doesn’t change with or without it. It’s always the referees decision excepting offsides (bar inference decisions)

 

2. We have games currently played in the FA Cup and League Cup without any VAR. There’s been no legal challenge to an incorrect decision there. 
 

3. Good example of the game between Villa and Sheffield United during Covid lockdown. The goal line technology didn’t work, VAR didn’t step in despite good evidence. Villa stayed up, Bournemouth went down. Despite seek legal advice, Bournemouth did not pursue a claim of compensation or a replay of the game. 

 

to some extent, but with the open and very public scrutiny, due to their decision making made public on a step by step basis with VAR, there’s a far greater level of accountability for their actions.

 

there are less mistakes with VAR.  period. 
 

and if the finances are all relative to the country, why are world stars not flocking to Sweden but coming to the prem?

Edited 23 May by MPH

[SemperEadem]

Done

[grobyfox1990]

8 hours ago, MPH said:

There’s too much money in football to scrap VAR now.  Before VAR refereeing decisions were found to be 86% accurate, since VAR was introduced, Refereeing decisions are now 97% accurate( or something very similar!)

 

 My main concern is that, legally, it could get very messy without VAR with clubs suing for bad decisions or demanding games are replayed. Plus, referees are more open  to corruption and taking payments without VAR.

 

I wish we had never gone down this road, but I don’t see how we can go back…

Interesting stat about the refereeing decisions of improving. 
I do wonder what the clubs actually think.

I can’t imagine there’d be legal challenges due to poor decisions, we’ve seen Liverpool get hilariously done over at spurs, that would surely be cut n dried in court, but no legal action 

[rugbyblue]

Done.  

 

If you don't vote you don't really have much justification to moan, even if it doesn't go the way you want

[Super_horns]

Fans probably ever have wanted it in the first place but obviously didn’t get asked .

 

Clubs didn’t then did but now they don’t again .

 

Give it a few weeks without the system and someone will be complaining that if  there was VAR that would have happened.

 

 

[Suzie the Fox]

Scrapped No, but has to be changed/improved. 

[RYM]

Voted to keep it and to commercialise it

 

- Get the VAR breaks sponsored

- Insert 10 second adverts into the matchday breaks on the screens and on TV’s

- Make exclusive VAR content ONLY available on the app

 

 

[MPH]

4 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Interesting stat about the refereeing decisions of improving. 
I do wonder what the clubs actually think.

I can’t imagine there’d be legal challenges due to poor decisions, we’ve seen Liverpool get hilariously done over at spurs, that would surely be cut n dried in court, but no legal action 

I obviously don’t mean every day decisions… but if a team feels like the missed out on a cup or promotion/ relegation due to a very bad decision, I feel like we are in the age where teams will demand compensation for such a big and important mistake..

[rugbyblue]

8 minutes ago, MPH said:

I obviously don’t mean every day decisions… but if a team feels like the missed out on a cup or promotion/ relegation due to a very bad decision, I feel like we are in the age where teams will demand compensation for such a big and important mistake..

I don't know the answer for certain so I'm only assuming but you would think when you join or are part of a league that you would have to sign an agreement along the lines of "we agree to abide by the rules of the league" or "the final decision on disputes lies with the league".  I certainly had to agree to things like that when I ran sunday and Saturday local league teams.

 

Surely with the money involved, the league can afford lawyers who could draft agreements that are watertight against legal action. If you don't agree, you can't play in the league.  Sign it or go away type of thing.  Not sure many would want to drop out of the premier league, var or no var.

[stripeyfox]

I'd love to VAR binned, but I don't think the clubs will vote to do so.

 

All those clubs who vote to keep it should be permanently banned from moaning about VAR ever again!

[MPH]

14 minutes ago, rugbyblue said:

I don't know the answer for certain so I'm only assuming but you would think when you join or are part of a league that you would have to sign an agreement along the lines of "we agree to abide by the rules of the league" or "the final decision on disputes lies with the league".  I certainly had to agree to things like that when I ran sunday and Saturday local league teams.

 

Surely with the money involved, the league can afford lawyers who could draft agreements that are watertight against legal action. If you don't agree, you can't play in the league.  Sign it or go away type of thing.  Not sure many would want to drop out of the premier league, var or no var.

 

I see what you are saying, but I also think the top 6 still hold some sway and power and are  looking for any excuse to form that breakaway super league.. they’ll use any excuse if they feel like we are infringing on their profitability..

[grobyfox1990]

46 minutes ago, MPH said:

I obviously don’t mean every day decisions… but if a team feels like the missed out on a cup or promotion/ relegation due to a very bad decision, I feel like we are in the age where teams will demand compensation for such a big and important mistake..

That's even more vague then. Promotion/relegation/cup win does not come down to one subjective decision in a 90 minute match or an entire season. There is no way you could compensate for that, it'd be laughed out of court I'd imagine.

I would have thought Liverpool could have pushed the replay option because the system actually defaulted and the owner acknowledged that, even then there was no further action other than an apology.

[MPH]

35 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

That's even more vague then. Promotion/relegation/cup win does not come down to one subjective decision in a 90 minute match or an entire season. There is no way you could compensate for that, it'd be laughed out of court I'd imagine.

I would have thought Liverpool could have pushed the replay option because the system actually defaulted and the owner acknowledged that, even then there was no further action other than an apology.

 

 

Nothing surprises me anymore with the way football is going!

[the draper]

When is the EGM guys? 

[Lako42]

Just one question?????????