Abdul Fatawu Signs

[tylesta]

Just now, Dandy king said:

Don't get me wrong, I love him as much as everyone else and want to see him start, but is there an argument to say bring him on when opposition are tired ? 

Or bring him on when 2 goals down every week?

[Dandy king]

4 minutes ago, tylesta said:

Or bring him on when 2 goals down every week?

If he has the impact that he did today then yes 

[Hamilton Fox]

Was sensational when he came on, he should be starting every week, both him and mavididi 

[CH1_Fox]

First name on the team sheet on Friday. 

[foxfanazer]

Start this kid every week. He makes things happen that no other player does. Everyone else can see it except for Cooper

[whoareyaaa]

has to start against Forest get Facundo in the 10

[Dahnsouff]

He was nigh on unplayable against Saints, but I have a questions, and not about his ability and all round loveliness.

 

Despite the calls for him to start, :-

• Is he better coming off the bench for now?
• Is he better as a shorter duration player, as we have seen his head drop when he gets frustrated?
• Are people anticipating him playing as he did yesterday for 90 minutes?

Again, I am not having a go as he is a fantastic player who will only get better. We might be not know until we try him from the get go  

 

[Hammo]

Why on earth are some fans joining forces with Cooper and doubting him as a starter?  I don't get it.

 

He started virtually every game under Maresca after breaking into the side and was one of our most exciting and productive players in winning promotion. Hence the popular 'Fa-Ta-Wu' singalong - and the permanent contract.

 

He has to start v Forest. End of.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Hammo said:

Why on earth are some fans joining forces with Cooper and doubting him as a starter?  I don't get it.

 

He started virtually every game under Maresca after breaking into the side and was one of our most exciting and productive players in winning promotion. Hence the popular 'Fa-Ta-Wu' singalong - and the permanent contract.

 

He has to start v Forest. End of.

Wow. It was a just question based on Fatawu being superb when he came on as a substitute

 

It is not like he is 100% superb every time plays (he isn`t) but yesterday he was untouchable I 100% agree.

 

Are you saying that we are not allowed to ask any question that cast any doubt?  

[Jobyfox]

37 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

He was nigh on unplayable against Saints, but I have a questions, and not about his ability and all round loveliness.

 

Despite the calls for him to start, :-

• Is he better coming off the bench for now?
• Is he better as a shorter duration player, as we have seen his head drop when he gets frustrated?
• Are people anticipating him playing as he did yesterday for 90 minutes?

Again, I am not having a go as he is a fantastic player who will only get better. We might be not know until we try him from the get go  

 

I think it’s a reasonable question. Over many years we’ve seen players make fantastic impacts as substitutes only to lose that impact when they become regular starters. 
 

Fatawu is young and inconsistent. It may well be that shorter impacts on games bring out the best of his abilities. I’d probably like to see him start in the short term to test the theory either way. 
 

One thing I’m already convinced by is that Ayew should be only used as a substitute. I think he’s ideal in that role rather than as a starter 

Edited 20 October 2024 by Jobyfox

[moore_94]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

He was nigh on unplayable against Saints, but I have a questions, and not about his ability and all round loveliness.

 

Despite the calls for him to start, :-

• Is he better coming off the bench for now?
• Is he better as a shorter duration player, as we have seen his head drop when he gets frustrated?
• Are people anticipating him playing as he did yesterday for 90 minutes?

Again, I am not having a go as he is a fantastic player who will only get better. We might be not know until we try him from the get go  

 

Because the question then becomes who else do we start?

 

None of Ayew, Reid, or Bilal (in limited gametime) have shown they can really impact a game when starting for us so far

 

We KNOW that Fatawu has that ability to, even if he does get frustrated, and also that Ayew should also really be coming off the bench as well

 

Do we play 60 odd minutes playing with 1 player on the pitch who isn’t really going to do anything, or go with the young kid who on his day unlike the others can tear the other teams defence a new arsehole?

Edited 20 October 2024 by moore_94

[BKLFox]

I know who I’d rather see coming off the bench if we are either protecting a lead or chasing the game but fairs fair he does deserve a start.

Issue is we do need to give Bilal game time in the 10 position in order for him to settle and is Facundo better drifting in from the right than as a 10?

[Hammo]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Wow. It was a just question based on Fatawu being superb when he came on as a substitute

 

It is not like he is 100% superb every time plays (he isn`t) but yesterday he was untouchable I 100% agree.

 

Are you saying that we are not allowed to ask any question that cast any doubt?  

Ask away.

 

I just hate to think that people consider the impact he made yesterday as some kind of JUSTIFICATION for Cooper not starting him.

 

It’s hypothetical, I know, but you do inevitably wonder how much more comfortable the win might have been had Cooper shed his habitual cloak of caution for once and actually started him with Buonanotte in the 10 spot and Mavididi on the other wing.

 

In any case Fatawu DESERVES to start v Forest. Who else have we got who is remotely as threatening in that position?

[Finnegan]

17 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

For me he was the reason we won the game. Perhaps overall Buonanotte gets MOTM, but that was peak Fatawu and why we all love him so much.

 

Their whole team got collective PTSD when he came on.

[Dahnsouff]

36 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Because the question then becomes who else do we start?

 

None of Ayew, Reid, or Bilal (in limited gametime) have shown they can really impact a game when starting for us so far

 

We KNOW that Fatawu has that ability to, even if he does get frustrated, and also that Ayew should also really be coming off the bench as well

 

Do we play 60 odd minutes playing with 1 player on the pitch who isn’t really going to do anything, or go with the young kid who on his day unlike the others can tear the other teams defence a new arsehole?

I see the argument, but you could also argue that you are not allowing Bilal to flourish by restricting him also. The sensible thing seems to be to start 2 of the 3 (Bilal,  Facundo and Abdul) and rotate the third in plus probably Ayew or BCR.

The advanced right position being one of Abdul or Facundo and the more central being Facundo or Bilal.

As there is next to no chance that Facundo could remain beyond this year, we must not stunt the growth of Bilal.

 

We are basically a decent extra attacking midfielder shy to allow ideal rotation/cover.

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Is he better coming off the bench for now?

 

No

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Hammo said:

Ask away.

 

I just hate to think that people consider the impact he made yesterday as some kind of JUSTIFICATION for Cooper not starting him.

 

It’s hypothetical, I know, but you do inevitably wonder how much more comfortable the win might have been had Cooper shed his habitual cloak of caution for once and actually started him with Buonanotte in the 10 spot and Mavididi on the other wing.

 

In any case Fatawu DESERVES to start v Forest. Who else have we got who is remotely as threatening in that position?

I wasn't saying that Fatawu should not start, that performance deserves it. I was asking if people thought that was he so productive, in part, because he came on as a substitute when he did and he was clearly having a top level game. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

No

Hope so

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

He was nigh on unplayable against Saints, but I have a questions, and not about his ability and all round loveliness.

 

Despite the calls for him to start, :-

• Is he better coming off the bench for now?
• Is he better as a shorter duration player, as we have seen his head drop when he gets frustrated?
• Are people anticipating him playing as he did yesterday for 90 minutes?

Again, I am not having a go as he is a fantastic player who will only get better. We might be not know until we try him from the get go  

 

He has started 3 games, of his starts he was the best player on the pitch for either team against Spurs (the same level as yesterday over 90 mins against a top 6 side), played well against Fulham and struggled a bit against Aston Villa. I would say that for a player in a struggling side he has done well so far this season when he starts.

 

His main struggles this season have come from him coming off the bench at 80+ minutes with not enough time left to make an impact, yesterday with 40 minutes of playtime he showed he can decide games at PL level when given enough opportunity.

 

In my opinion Fatawu is the opposite of how you say he is, the longer he spends on the pitch for us this season the more games he is going to decide for us. It is seriously strange to me that some fans can watch Fatawu with the quality that he has and decide that he's an impact sub. The kid is absolute stardust and should be a starter for us from now till the day he leaves us as quite frankly at 20 years old he is already too good for this side, let alone too good for our bench.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, honeybradger said:

He has started 3 games, of his starts he was the best player on the pitch for either team against Spurs (the same level as yesterday over 90 mins against a top 6 side), played well against Fulham and struggled a bit against Aston Villa. I would say that for a player in a struggling side he has done well so far this season when he starts.

 

His main struggles this season have come from him coming off the bench at 80+ minutes with not enough time left to make an impact, yesterday with 40 minutes of playtime he showed he can decide games at PL level when given enough opportunity.

 

In my opinion Fatawu is the opposite of how you say he is, the longer he spends on the pitch for us this season the more games he is going to decide for us. It is seriously strange to me that some fans can watch Fatawu with the quality that he has and decide that he's an impact sub. The kid is absolute stardust and should be a starter for us from now till the day he leaves us as quite frankly at 20 years old he is already too good for this side, let alone too good for our bench.

You are drawing conclusions I did not make. I asked questions about him getting frustrated, and sometimes shooting when he should not - or are you stating he does not do this also?

 

We tend to be feast or famine in here, they are either the saviour or the devil. He is someone in between, but to be clear for the 100th time, yes, please start him.

[honeybradger]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

You are drawing conclusions I did not make. I asked questions about him getting frustrated, and sometimes shooting when he should not - or are you stating he does not do this also?

 

We tend to be feast or famine in here, they are either the saviour or the devil. He is someone in between, but to be clear for the 100th time, yes, please start him.

Fatawu shooting when he shouldn't led to our second goal yesterday. Personally I am fine with him skying a couple because he is one of the few players i have seen who can score at that range. For some reason a section of our fanbase has no tolerance for trying to score from outside the box, if anything the frustration seems to come from our fans rather than Fatawu, who know he has the quality to keep trying despite the groans when it doesn't come off.

 

Also Fatawu is the saviour and I won't hear otherwise, for comparison Lookman finished 8th in the Balon d'or last season and Fatawu has a higher ceiling than him. We genuinely have a potential worldy on our hands, if you're not comfortable getting off the fence that's fine but most of us recognise we have a special player on our hands.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, honeybradger said:

Fatawu shooting when he shouldn't led to our second goal yesterday. Personally I am fine with him skying a couple because he is one of the few players i have seen who can score at that range. For some reason a section of our fanbase has no tolerance for trying to score from outside the box, if anything the frustration seems to come from our fans rather than Fatawu, who know he has the quality to keep trying despite the groans when it doesn't come off.

 

Also Fatawu is the saviour and I won't hear otherwise, for comparison Lookman finished 8th in the Balon d'or last season and Fatawu has a higher ceiling than him. We genuinely have a potential worldy on our hands, if you're not comfortable getting off the fence that's fine but most of us recognise we have a special player on our hands.

Not much for holding a position where it is then impossible to change thanks. He is fantastic btw, did not say that already?  

Edited 20 October 2024 by Dahnsouff

[Filbert Fireworks]

He certainly deserves more game time. 

 

At the same time the permier league is too intense to roll out the same 11 each week. Need strength in depth to rotate players. 

 

If the game plan is he has 30 explosive minutes to decimate a tired defence whilst another player spends 60 minutes tiring / containing  the opposition. Its a team effort not starting the match doesn't have to correlate with his skill or pecking order in the team. 

 

[JimJams]

2 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

Fatawu is young and inconsistent.

All wingers are inconsistent, even the very best. It's the nature of the position.

[FOXSE]

Last season, Fatawu shattered the 'big chances created in a championship season' record (by about 50%!) All whist apparently being inconsistent and raw.

 

The guy is a premium player. That's just a fact. He turned that game on its head yesterday.