Facundo Buonanotte joins on loan - Official

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

1 hour ago, BrightonSeagull said:

Many Leicester fans are setting themselves up for disappointment if they think they’ll sign him come end of the season

 

Many? Very few of our fans will expect him to stay with us beyond this loan.

[gerrytaggart]

2 hours ago, BrightonSeagull said:

Many Leicester fans are setting themselves up for disappointment if they think they’ll sign him come end of the season. 

Mate. I dont think any of us expect to sign him.  Just enjoying his performances right mow.  Fully expect to see in a Liverpool shirt next season.

[honeybradger]

Honestly even if he continues this form for us this season we are not in a position to outlay £40mil+ on any player no matter how good they are.

 

Even if Brighton is content to sell and he's happy to join permanently it's too risky for a club in our position.

[DesertFox]

Brighton are, quite rightly, going to do what they did with Ben White. They won't sell him this coming summer, they'll give him a season in their first team then sell to the big six for 70m+. 

Edited 23 October 2024 by DesertFox

[Ric Flair]

At the very least I hope his contibutions here (which will be vast this season) encourage our club to step up their scouting and recruitment in South America. It's been largely non-existent over the years except for the occasional European based Argentinian and one exceptionally unlucky Brazilian. We need to explore this market more.

[Finnegan]

19 hours ago, BrightonSeagull said:

Yes we would. Agree with the gist of many of your posts in this thread, but not here.

 

I’d personally be very disappointed to sell Buonanotte for £50m. That’s nowhere near his peak value and if I were a Leicester fan I’d be delighted with that deal. Given his age and ceiling I’d be looking at £80m+ and I’d still be unhappy to sell him. Crazy money but that is the industry we’re in, and Brighton have shown they won’t be pushed around by bigger clubs. We’ll extract maximum value and rightfully so.

 

But you’re spot on in other posts. Many Leicester fans are setting themselves up for disappointment if they think they’ll sign him come end of the season. And I don’t say that to be arrogant, as Brighton fans we went through similar with Levi Colwill. The mantra of “don’t fall in love with a loan player” does tend to hold up.

 

What happens next season with Facundo remains to be seen, a lot of ways things could play out, so speculation to say he’s definitely not going back to Brighton or whatever. 
Eg, Pedro and Mitoma and/or another could be sold in the summer. We may reach Europe again - so we’ll need a big squad. Or we won’t reach Europe. Too many variables.

 

My hope is we reach Europe and recall Buonanotte as we need a bigger squad.

 

But am delighted to see him doing well at Leicester and the fans love him. If he plays well and helps keep you up in what is always a tricky first season back, it’s win win for all.

 

No Leicester fan that actually follows football thinks he's staying. 

 

No Brighton fan that actually follows football is naive enough to think his future is at Brighton. 

 

If you get a season out of him next year that'll be about it. He's going to be far too good for either of our clubs. 

 

Just be happy you're going to make something like 45-50m profit and don't get greedy. 

 

Edited 24 October 2024 by Finnegan

[BrightonSeagull]

4 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

No Brighton fan that actually follows football is naive enough to think his future is at Brighton. 

 

 

Don’t understand your point?

 

He’s under contract with Brighton for 4 years. So we hold all the cards.

Does it mean he’s going to be at Brighton for life? Of course not. That’s a strawman. No Brighton fan thinks that. And no football fan of any team thinks this for most best players anymore. Those days are gone. Even Haaland won’t be at City his whole career.

 

He will move on when the time is right with our best wishes.

 

If you haven’t noticed we have a number of exciting young talents, Buonanotte is not an exception. Enciso, Joao Pedro, Baleba, Hinshelwood, Ferguson, Adingra to name a few.
 

If Brighton want Buonanotte back, he’ll be playing at Brighton nest season. 

 

4 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

 

 

Just be happy you're going to make something like 45-50m profit and don't get greedy. 

 

“Greedy” 😂

 

That’s what Big6 fans say when they don’t get our players on the cheap.

 

Nothing to do with being greedy. If an elite or oil club wants them, we’ll sell our best players at full market value, as we or any club should. 

 

Edited 24 October 2024 by BrightonSeagull

[Tommy G]

2 minutes ago, BrightonSeagull said:

Don’t understand your point?

 

He’s under contract with Brighton for 4 years. So we hold all the cards.

Does it mean he’s going to be at Brighton for life? Of course not. That’s a strawman. No Brighton fan thinks that. And no football fan of any team thinks this for most best players anymore. Those days are gone. Even Haaland won’t be at City his whole career.

 

He will move on when the time is right with our best wishes.

 

If you haven’t noticed we have a number of exciting young talents, Buonanotte is not an exception. Enciso, Joao Pedro, Baleba, Hinshelwood, Ferguson, Adingra to name a few.
 

If Brighton want Buonanotte back, he’ll be playing at Brighton nest season. 

 

“Greedy” 😂

 

That’s what Big6 fans say when they don’t get our players on the cheap.

 

Nothing to do with being greedy. If an elite or oil club wants them, we’ll sell our best players at full market value, as we or any club should. 

 

OK Tony Bloom you've made your point 

[pmcla26]

12 minutes ago, BrightonSeagull said:

“Greedy” 😂

 

That’s what Big6 fans say when they don’t get our players on the cheap.

 

Nothing to do with being greedy. If an elite or oil club wants them, we’ll sell our best players at full market value, as we or any club should. 

 

I don't think Buonanotte is more than a £45/50m player. Dani Olmo went for not much more in the summer. 

[Haywood_6]

 

He’s one of the most exciting young players in the league for me. Wonderful footballer. Plenty of room to improve still but, his determination to influence games is what I love the most about him. Very unlikely we'll keep him here long term if he keeps this up,  so let’s just enjoy his time with us while we can

[Finnegan]

2 hours ago, BrightonSeagull said:

Don’t understand your point?

 

Yes you do, it's written in the sentence you chose not to quote:

 

6 hours ago, Finnegan said:

If you get a season out of him next year that'll be about it. He's going to be far too good for either of our clubs. 

 

2 hours ago, BrightonSeagull said:

He will move on when the time is right with our best wishes.

 

Again, see above.

 

2 hours ago, BrightonSeagull said:

If you haven’t noticed we have a number of exciting young talents, Buonanotte is not an exception. Enciso, Joao Pedro, Baleba, Hinshelwood, Ferguson, Adingra to name a few.

 

Believe me, we've done nothing but notice. It's obviously not escaped the attention of most Leicester fans that you've come up behind us and started doing a better job of how we were previously operating. It's not like you invented buying talented young players to up-sell (and neither did we.)

 

But a key part of that business model is selling them on when the big clubs come calling. You won't hold Buonanotte back when he wants to go because, if you did, that sends a message to other young players that might be thinking of using Brighton as a stepping stone that maybe they should reconsider. You don't want that, so you'll sell.

 

Some of your fans might start dreaming of that moment you progress as a club sufficiently that you stop selling these players and start holding on to them but anyone with those sorts of dreams probably wants to look to a club like Dortmund. You can be massive, continentally renowned, and still understand your place in the world and I'm sure you know better than anyone that Tony Bloom is far from delusional.

 

2 hours ago, BrightonSeagull said:

That’s what Big6 fans say when they don’t get our players on the cheap.

 

Again, trust me, we've been there, we've had to deal with all of their arrogance. But we've also been there in terms of hoping and expecting more from our players than ends up being realistic. Harvey Barnes and James Maddison are both comfortably more than £35m footballers but the reality of our situation wasn't exactly one where we could and did hold out for the value the statistics might have implied.

 

I'd be extremely surprised if Buonanotte goes for 80m or if Brighton refuse to sell just because you don't get that figure. It's easier to get carried away after you get silly money for a player like Caicedo (again, we've been there, with Maguire and Fofana breaking and near breaking records.) But transfers like that always end up being freak and especially with the Premier League starting to get uncomfortable with some of the spending, there's obviously been a little bit of a shift in the last couple of windows.

I apologise for my tone, I know I probably come across as arrogant and preachy. If it helps, I'm like that to our own fans on here too  - but you do seem to have a certain bullishness that I think will get a wake up call when Facundo is sat on Man City's bench next year being blood in by Pep following a ~£60m tops transfer.

 

 

[pmcla26]

I still wouldn't swap our Abdul for Facundo if it was a choice between keeping one permanently. 

[Mon.is.a.god]

He’s been getting serious with a bird from Stoneygate whose dad's a massive Leicester fan, maybe there’s a chance he stays………..

[HighPeakFox]

10 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

At the very least I hope his contibutions here (which will be vast this season) encourage our club to step up their scouting and recruitment in South America. It's been largely non-existent over the years except for the occasional European based Argentinian and one exceptionally unlucky Brazilian. We need to explore this market more.

Please take this as non-serious affectionate ribbing @Ric Flair, but that's weapons grade arse covering 

[Unabomber]

4 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

He’s been getting serious with a bird from Stoneygate whose dad's a massive Leicester fan, maybe there’s a chance he stays………..

That’s my sister and I wouldn’t class him as a massive fan, just a fan. I’m the massive fan hence my posts here. Still sounds very promising.

Edited 24 October 2024 by Unabomber

[honeybradger]

1 minute ago, Unabomber said:

That’s my sister and I wouldn’t class him as a massive fan, just a fan. I’m then massive fan hence my posts here. Still sounds very promising.

Your sister is dating Buonanotte?

[LCFCCKEANO]

Don’t think it’s as unlikely as we think, think with FFP if he isn’t impressive enough to get a move to the big 6 they could be tempted with a big bid, Gibbs-White/Eliot Anderson style, as they do have a lot of options, even though they are currently far better than us. Provided we survive of course

[Unabomber]

Just now, honeybradger said:

Your sister is dating Buonanotte?

I’ve already said too much 

[Tommy G]

7 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Your sister is dating Buonanotte?

He might be pulling your willy mate 

[murphy]

12 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

I’ve already said too much 

Is that you in the corner?

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

Is that you in the corner?

Lost his religion some time ago.

[Unabomber]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

Lost his religion some time ago.

Alright don’t slag me off 

[BrightonSeagull]

4 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Yes you do, it's written in the sentence you chose not to quote:

 

 

 

Again, see above.

 

 

Believe me, we've done nothing but notice. It's obviously not escaped the attention of most Leicester fans that you've come up behind us and started doing a better job of how we were previously operating. It's not like you invented buying talented young players to up-sell (and neither did we.)

 

But a key part of that business model is selling them on when the big clubs come calling. You won't hold Buonanotte back when he wants to go because, if you did, that sends a message to other young players that might be thinking of using Brighton as a stepping stone that maybe they should reconsider. You don't want that, so you'll sell.

 

Some of your fans might start dreaming of that moment you progress as a club sufficiently that you stop selling these players and start holding on to them but anyone with those sorts of dreams probably wants to look to a club like Dortmund. You can be massive, continentally renowned, and still understand your place in the world and I'm sure you know better than anyone that Tony Bloom is far from delusional.

 

 

Again, trust me, we've been there, we've had to deal with all of their arrogance. But we've also been there in terms of hoping and expecting more from our players than ends up being realistic. Harvey Barnes and James Maddison are both comfortably more than £35m footballers but the reality of our situation wasn't exactly one where we could and did hold out for the value the statistics might have implied.

 

I'd be extremely surprised if Buonanotte goes for 80m or if Brighton refuse to sell just because you don't get that figure. It's easier to get carried away after you get silly money for a player like Caicedo (again, we've been there, with Maguire and Fofana breaking and near breaking records.) But transfers like that always end up being freak and especially with the Premier League starting to get uncomfortable with some of the spending, there's obviously been a little bit of a shift in the last couple of windows.

I apologise for my tone, I know I probably come across as arrogant and preachy. If it helps, I'm like that to our own fans on here too  - but you do seem to have a certain bullishness that I think will get a wake up call when Facundo is sat on Man City's bench next year being blood in by Pep following a ~£60m tops transfer.

 

 

It wasn’t my intention to leave your whole quote out for sneaky reasons or anything like that. Only did so as I found it clearer to respond to specific things you said rather than a whole block of text, I’ll keep your whole quote here this time to show good faith.

“Some of your fans might start dreaming of that moment you progress as a club sufficiently that you stop selling these players and start holding on to them but anyone with those sorts of dreams probably wants to look to a club like Dortmund.”

 

I promise you Brighton fans are generally more grounded than most. We’re arguably THE stepping stone club in the PL. We’ve lost many beloved (and not so beloved) players at this point. More than most PL clubs (yourselves being the closest in comparison for sure). There are few delusions that our best players will be here forever. I think we’ll keep them longer than many mainstream fans think though. Eg, this is Mitoma’s 3rd season now. Easily one of the most exciting players I’ve seen wear a Brighton shirt. Hinshelwood came through our academy through every age group and supports the club, so he’s one I can see staying for the long term. If you don’t know much about him you will do in the future. 
 

“But a key part of that business model is selling them on when the big clubs come calling. You won't hold Buonanotte back when he wants to go because, if you did, that sends a message to other young players that might be thinking of using Brighton as a stepping stone that maybe they should reconsider. You don't want that, so you'll sell.”

 

Absolutely agree and I’m completely comfortable with that personally. Given how successful our club model has been, leading to us being the 2nd highest spenders in Europe thru last window, spending 200+m, I have full trust in Tony Bloom and his vision and recruitment strategy. I remember panicking slightly when we sold Cucurella (believe it or not. He was our player of the season), and the club shortly after brought in Pervis Estupinian. Since then I’ve learned to trust the club fully and not be concerned when we make a big sale.

 

Back to Buonanotte, I have no doubts he will move on when the time is right. But that’s the key. And Bloom has made a very good call to more often than not sell these players at their peak valuation point. Usually for the maximum fee possible (unless there’s a clause or expiring contract or such). The club are very firm on this, and what you’re saying is pretty much bang on with what Arsenal fans told us when we refused to sell them Caicedo a few January’s ago. They were outraged. “You’ll never get more than the 80m we offered” (wrong), “no young player will go to Brighton again as you’re holding them hostage” (also wrong). Given how good we are with forward planning my guess would be Buonanotte and his father & agent are already fully aware and onboard with the clubs long term plan for him. You’re right. We get these players because they see what we do for their careers.

 

Again I’m delighted Facundo is doing so well for you guys. And if he does brilliantly and helps keep you up, it’s a win-win for all. Hopefully he can even help you take off some points off our European rivals. I have no arrogance and am fully aware you guys have more history than us.  You have won one of the greatest trophies.
 

At the moment we’re higher in the food chain, but we all know how football goes in cycles. This is our moment in the sun, and hopefully we can win our first ever trophy in the coming seasons and much as you guys did, disrupt the Sky6 for a few years.  

 

[honeybradger]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

He might be pulling your willy mate 

I feel very silly

[HighPeakFox]

52 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Alright don’t slag me off 

I don't recall that particular REM lyric...