Facundo Buonanotte joins on loan - Official

[AKCJ]

14 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

There is a reason stats exist, it’s to stop this prehistoric eye test bullshit. Stats say he is not better. I trust stats.

I'm not even actually that sure he passes the eye test.

 

I have no interest in stats on the whole. It's not where I get any enjoyment from with regards to football so I have no idea if this is true or not but he must be amongst the most tackled players in the league. I think he hasn't got a good grasp on when to take on his man or when to pass the ball and it leads to him losing the ball and breaking down our attacks on an all too regular basis. I think this is where El Khannouss trumps him.

 

I think the attacking midfielder or winger can't consistently lose the ball in this day and age. I think Buonanotte and Mavididi (the two most unexperienced players in the Prem) are the two that consistently give it away. Fatawu was the same earlier in the season before his injury.

 

We as a side have to keep the ball better than we have done because the back four cannot contend with any Premier League attack. For me, Buonanotte doesn't start in our best 11 at this moment in time. Partly because El Khannouss is better but also because Buonanotte cannot play on the wings.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I'm not even actually that sure he passes the eye test.

 

I have no interest in stats on the whole. It's not where I get any enjoyment from with regards to football so I have no idea if this is true or not but he must be amongst the most tackled players in the league. I think he hasn't got a good grasp on when to take on his man or when to pass the ball and it leads to him losing the ball and breaking down our attacks on an all too regular basis. I think this is where El Khannouss trumps him.

 

I think the attacking midfielder or winger can't consistently lose the ball in this day and age. I think Buonanotte and Mavididi (the two most unexperienced players in the Prem) are the two that consistently give it away. Fatawu was the same earlier in the season before his injury.

 

We as a side have to keep the ball better than we have done because the back four cannot contend with any Premier League attack. For me, Buonanotte doesn't start in our best 11 at this moment in time. Partly because El Khannouss is better but also because Buonanotte cannot play on the wings.

I think Facundo has a high ceiling, but as you say he is bullied and loses possession too readily, something we just cannot afford. The comparisons between Facundo and Bilal are currently quite stark.

[Dahnsouff]

10 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Probably because we're already 2 down by the time he's coming on. Everybody wants him to create something for us. He loses the ball. Players who do more, try to do more, are bound to lose the ball more.

 

I'd rather that than watch Winks pass it back and sideways all game and "achieve" 90% passing accuracy, which brings me onto your next point...

 

Stats probably say players such as Winks are so good on the ball yet they do fvck all with it.

Just feels Facundo is a luxury we can ill afford at this time. He is clearly a million miles from Bilal currently, and yes I agree that Winks is a serious problem but he has the same weakness Facundo shares unfortunately, in that he is weak and easily dispossessed. (Our mantra...)

[Number 6]

I think Buonoanotte and El Khannous behind a striker in a 3-4-2-1 could work well. But if there's one central attacking mid then you'd have to play El Khannous at the moment wouldn't you?

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

I'm not even actually that sure he passes the eye test.

 

I have no interest in stats on the whole. It's not where I get any enjoyment from with regards to football so I have no idea if this is true or not but he must be amongst the most tackled players in the league. I think he hasn't got a good grasp on when to take on his man or when to pass the ball and it leads to him losing the ball and breaking down our attacks on an all too regular basis. I think this is where El Khannouss trumps him.

 

I think the attacking midfielder or winger can't consistently lose the ball in this day and age. I think Buonanotte and Mavididi (the two most unexperienced players in the Prem) are the two that consistently give it away. Fatawu was the same earlier in the season before his injury.

 

We as a side have to keep the ball better than we have done because the back four cannot contend with any Premier League attack. For me, Buonanotte doesn't start in our best 11 at this moment in time. Partly because El Khannouss is better but also because Buonanotte cannot play on the wings.

Bang on. Facundo gets a 'free pass' on this, because he's a flair player who shows some amazing technical skill. But there is a huge flaw to his game that has caused lots of problems ( i particularly remember JJ getting pelters at home for a poor clearance but it was Facundo who created the problem in the first place ). We don't know what goes on in training, but if he isn't showing the desire to improve this then what is the manager meant to do?

[filbertway]

Players like Buonananotte are so important as they will create chances, considering how sh*t we are at creating chances right now, a player like that would be very handy.

 

The whole shtick of average players playing formulaic football isn't doing much good, so Ruud has to find a way to get Facundo and Bilal playing together whilst keeping both away from our own penalty area

 

3 4 2 1 would achieve that nicely.

Edited 7 February by filbertway

[Finnegan]

15 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

There is a reason stats exist, it’s to stop this prehistoric eye test bullshit. Stats say he is not better. I trust stats.

 

Something something Kelechi Iheanacho incredible goal contributions per minute in the Premier League something something Dahnsouff eye test something something 

[Edingleyfox]

Facundo has a bit of flair and pace. He loses the ball more by taking a few risks but some of the best football this season has been with him in the side. The problem is that so many players struggle to track back or put in tackles whether it be defensively or in midfield. This magnifies individual errors and destroys confidence. 
I had hoped RVN would have stuck with him with coaching  because of late Leicester are creating very little but still conceding 

[murphy]

17 hours ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Yet has scored only the one winner against Bournemouth, compared to ayew who scored the winner against soton and the equaliser against Ipswich 

Yes, we haven't won many games. 

 

When I say that Buonanotte is a potential match winner, I mean that he is a creative player, someone that could potentially make something out of nothing and make things happen. Unlike your average plodder like Jordan ayew. 

 

We have a dire paucity of creativity in the squad. 

[Paninistickers]

I love the fact that poor old Facundo gets the bird for trying things. 

 

Vards bless him takes literally zero part in the game. He literally contributes nothing for 95% if the game. But, as such, doesn't give the ball away (assuming being flagged offside every time we attack counts as losing the ball)

 

Same as BdcR. Who simply isn't good enough, strong enough or fast enough to involve himself in the game. But lays off  a 5 yard pass to Bilal who goes on to score a worldie... etc voilà! An assist! 

 

The dutxhman effectively plays a system with nine workers (one of which is Ayew) + two 'luxury' players with BdcR and vards ....and the statbusters blame it all on this lad. 

Edited 7 February by Paninistickers

[Chelmofox]

11 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I love the fact that poor old Facundo gets the bird for trying things. 

 

Vards bless him takes literally zero part in the game. He literally contributes nothing for 95% if the game. But, as such, doesn't give the ball away. 

 

Same as BdcR. Who simply isn't good enough, strong enough or fast enough to involve himself in the game. But lays off  a 5 yard pass to Bilal who goes on to score a worldie... etc voilà! An assist! 

 

The dutxhman effectively plays a system with nine workers (one of which is Ayew) + two 'luxury' players with BdcR and vards ....and the statbusters blame it all on this lad. 

You really do pick and chose your points don't you! 

 

Vardy has come in for a lot of criticism. BDCR also provided a decent pass for our first goal against Spurs - but why not just ignore that and cherry pick the Bilal goal.

 

This is a problem with Facundos game. Its a fair criticism and in a team where Bilal is playing better he isn't starting. Why can't this be an area of his game he should look to improve?

Edited 7 February by Chelmofox

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

You really do pick and chose your points don't you! 

 

Vardy has come in for a lot of criticism. BDCR also provided a decent pass for our first goal against Spurs - but why not just ignore that and cherry pick the Bilal goal.

 

This is a problem with Facundos game. Its a fair criticism and in a team where Bilal is playing better he isn't starting. Why can't this be an area of his game he should look to improve?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day...

 

The stats freaks are winning tbf....all can sit back and marvel at the Dutchman playing BdcR, Ayew, Vards and losing feebly 4-0 most weeks. And not even bother to try new things and new players. 

 

Enjoy it while it lasts fella.

[LCFCCKEANO]

10 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

You really do pick and chose your points don't you! 

 

Vardy has come in for a lot of criticism. BDCR also provided a decent pass for our first goal against Spurs - but why not just ignore that and cherry pick the Bilal goal.

 

This is a problem with Facundos game. Its a fair criticism and in a team where Bilal is playing better he isn't starting. Why can't this be an area of his game he should look to improve?

BDCR could’ve also had a goal had he been slipped in by BEK, his movement off the ball is superior to anyone else in our squad atm

[Foxin_Mad]

55 minutes ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

BDCR could’ve also had a goal had he been slipped in by BEK, his movement off the ball is superior to anyone else in our squad atm

It think it says more about the quality of the rest of the squad. 

[AjcW]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Something something Kelechi Iheanacho incredible goal contributions per minute in the Premier League something something Dahnsouff eye test something something 

Find/Replace words Kelechi Iheanacho with Daka

Find/Replace word Dahnsouff with Finnegan 

 

 

[Finnegan]

17 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Find/Replace words Kelechi Iheanacho with Daka

Find/Replace word Dahnsouff with Finnegan 

 

 

 

No, Dahnsouff used to routinely refuse to acknowledge the worth of Iheanacho even when his statistical output was excellent. 

 

In both instances it was me defending the performance of our players based on numerical evidence. 

 

[AjcW]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

No, Dahnsouff used to routinely refuse to acknowledge the worth of Iheanacho even when his statistical output was excellent. 

 

In both instances it was me defending the performance of our players based on numerical evidence. 

 

Oh... that's a shame  

[Finnegan]

14 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Oh... that's a shame  

 

Don't worry, I absolutely can be a raging hypocrite sometimes, just like everyone. But my stance on the so called eye test vs statistics has been fairly consistent over the years. 

[Nolucklcfc]

Ruud doesn’t think he’s professional enough 

[Jambiasso]

5 hours ago, Number 6 said:

I think Buonoanotte and El Khannous behind a striker in a 3-4-2-1 could work well. But if there's one central attacking mid then you'd have to play El Khannous at the moment wouldn't you?

This is what I think and worth a go given we're without our best winger in Fatawu and Mavididi hasn't looked great. A back 3 'could' sure things up at the back too, we know Coady works best in a back 3, it's just whether Kristiansen and Justin/ McAteer maybe could cut it as wing backs. It's at least least worth a try

[Spiritwalker]

21 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I wish Palace did own him, it means we'd not have been able to loan Edouard.

 

Bounanotte's 1st handful of games here was a breath of fresh air, he was head and shoulders our best player and deserved the plaudits. He's been sacrificed in a new regime that tries to have more structure but is overall just as tactically flawed and as a result we're worse off from missing out on Facundo's unpredictability and attacking Flair. We've had some of that replaced by El Khannouss but seemingly don't seem able to use both at the same time. My answer to that would be to try 3-4-2-1 with them both behind the striker but neither Cooper nor RvN are keen on us playing three at the back.

I’ve never been keen on 5 at the back but it makes sense to at least try it.

[The Doctor]

3 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I love the fact that poor old Facundo gets the bird for trying things. 

 

Vards bless him takes literally zero part in the game. He literally contributes nothing for 95% if the game. But, as such, doesn't give the ball away (assuming being flagged offside every time we attack counts as losing the ball)

 

Same as BdcR. Who simply isn't good enough, strong enough or fast enough to involve himself in the game. But lays off  a 5 yard pass to Bilal who goes on to score a worldie... etc voilà! An assist! 

 

The dutxhman effectively plays a system with nine workers (one of which is Ayew) + two 'luxury' players with BdcR and vards ....and the statbusters blame it all on this lad. 

genuinely why the **** do you insist on calling him the dutchman when it's far simpler to type RVN?

[filbertway]

15 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

genuinely why the **** do you insist on calling him the dutchman when it's far simpler to type RVN?

I can only imagine this post will cement "the dutchman" as the chosen name now to be fair

 

 

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

I can only imagine this post will cement "the dutchman" as the chosen name now to be fair

 

 

saying the Dutchman makes you sound like a pirates of the Caribbean extra mind

[filbertway]

9 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

saying the Dutchman makes you sound like a pirates of the Caribbean extra mind

Personally if I didn't like the man and wanted to come up with an alternative name, I'd go for something like "The Dutch Ruudder"