Cooper - OUT

[gurru991]

17 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

Being honest, regardless of who or how we as supporters think we should be playing, there is no way he is being sacked without us being in the bottom 3 or getting turned over in games. 
We as supporters need to get behind the club and back them, he’s doing a solid C+ job at the moment, which is fine for now. The only goal this season is to stay up, then we build from there, which potentially includes a thank you Steve and we move on, but Cooper right now is doing exactly the job he was brought into do - make us tough to beat and keep us up - so far, without setting the world on fire he’s doing just that. 
If you’re expecting him to be sacked any time soon, you’re going to be very disappointed.

Agree %100... 

Cooper is safe's long as he keeps the club away from the drop zone & I'm fine with that. 17th place is the goal here & anything above that is Gravy.

[CrazyKopCorner]

4 hours ago, gurru991 said:

Agree %100... 

Cooper is safe's long as he keeps the club away from the drop zone & I'm fine with that. 17th place is the goal here & anything above that is Gravy.

hhhmmmmm I know that's realistic but blimey we've fallen a long way in a short period of time. 

 

He's clearly not up to the job and it's infuriating that we should be aiming for at least mid table. 

[Richmondfox]

7 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Being honest, regardless of who or how we as supporters think we should be playing, there is no way he is being sacked without us being in the bottom 3 or getting turned over in games. 
We as supporters need to get behind the club and back them, he’s doing a solid C+ job at the moment, which is fine for now. The only goal this season is to stay up, then we build from there, which potentially includes a thank you Steve and we move on, but Cooper right now is doing exactly the job he was brought into do - make us tough to beat and keep us up - so far, without setting the world on fire he’s doing just that. 
If you’re expecting him to be sacked any time soon, you’re going to be very disappointed.

Apathy. I hope you’re not a teacher with that grading.
 

The stats and watching the games match up, he is doing a poor job with half decent resources.  That poor job is the best of his ability and he has shown he won’t change because he doesn’t know how to.  The owners are the ones now letting the rot continue.

 

 

[Aus Fox]

42 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

Apathy. I hope you’re not a teacher with that grading.
 

The stats and watching the games match up, he is doing a poor job with half decent resources.  That poor job is the best of his ability and he has shown he won’t change because he doesn’t know how to.  The owners are the ones now letting the rot continue.

 

 

The expectation and the target for a newly promoted club is 17th. He’s had us above that position all season. Now, it’s not pretty and it’s not perfect, but it has been effective.

The only stat that truely matters is points on the board at the end of May. We fell from where we were, and now need to rebuild - that takes time. 
Step One was getting back up, step two is  now staying up.

So, doing marginally better than expected at this point in time is a solid C+, again this isn’t saying he’s doing an amazing job, but he’s doing what needs to happens to lay down the foundations to enable us to move forward in the future.

 

[murphy]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

The expectation and the target for a newly promoted club is 17th. He’s had us above that position all season. Now, it’s not pretty and it’s not perfect, but it has been effective.

The only stat that truely matters is points on the board at the end of May. We fell from where we were, and now need to rebuild - that takes time. 
Step One was getting back up, step two is  now staying up.

So, doing marginally better than expected at this point in time is a solid C+, again this isn’t saying he’s doing an amazing job, but he’s doing what needs to happens to lay down the foundations to enable us to move forward in the future.

 

I think you should aim higher than 17th,  If you aim for 17th and fall short you're gone.  We should be aiming for the maximum output that we can from this group of players.   Is Cooper's set up and tactics achieving that?  I'd say no and that is the issue.  It is only a matter of time before league position reflects the performances, the timid set up and those horrific stats imo.

 

 

[winteriscoming]

Of course staying up is the most important thing but imo anywhere between 12th and 15th is achievable. With Cooper I don’t see us stopping up. There are a lot of poor sides in this league. Someone else in charge I think we would stop up. 

 

[gurru991]

12 hours ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

hhhmmmmm I know that's realistic but blimey we've fallen a long way in a short period of time. 

 

He's clearly not up to the job and it's infuriating that we should be aiming for at least mid table. 

For the first season back in the Premier for any team the goal is survival .

Obviously a higher finish is better but we will need to assemble a better team than what we have & that is going to take time & some top class scouting. I have very little faith in Rudkin or Top being able to make good transfer decisions.

[gurru991]

7 hours ago, murphy said:

I think you should aim higher than 17th,  If you aim for 17th and fall short you're gone.  We should be aiming for the maximum output that we can from this group of players.   Is Cooper's set up and tactics achieving that?  I'd say no and that is the issue.  It is only a matter of time before league position reflects the performances, the timid set up and those horrific stats imo.

 

 

I'm sure no-one at the club is aiming for 17th and obviously every one wants a higher place finish. I'm also sure everyone understands that survival in our first season is the objective.

I believe Cooper can & will keep us safe but I don't believe Rudkin & company have the know how to make the club successful.

[kristianity77]

On 13/10/2024 at 05:58, CrazyKopCorner said:

hhhmmmmm I know that's realistic but blimey we've fallen a long way in a short period of time. 

 

He's clearly not up to the job and it's infuriating that we should be aiming for at least mid table. 

End of the day, when you get promoted, even if it’s after just one season out of the top flight, the goal is always to just stay up.

 

and also, with you saying our sights should be on mid table, that’s fine also. The difference between 17th and say 10th to 14th is usually only a couple of wins difference anyway 

[Les-TA-Jon]

On 13/10/2024 at 01:23, Aus Fox said:

Being honest, regardless of who or how we as supporters think we should be playing, there is no way he is being sacked without us being in the bottom 3 or getting turned over in games. 
We as supporters need to get behind the club and back them, he’s doing a solid C+ job at the moment, which is fine for now. The only goal this season is to stay up, then we build from there, which potentially includes a thank you Steve and we move on, but Cooper right now is doing exactly the job he was brought into do - make us tough to beat and keep us up - so far, without setting the world on fire he’s doing just that. 
If you’re expecting him to be sacked any time soon, you’re going to be very disappointed.

Is he though? 

 

Just because we're currently not in the relegation zone doesn't mean we're going to stay up. A lot of the underlying data shows that we've actually overperformed to be where we are. Any regression to the mean sees us slip into the bottom 3. It's not sustainable and over 38 games, we'll go down. 

 

Are we tough to beat? We've lost half our games. We're league high for shots conceded. We're league high for xGA. We're 2nd lowest for xGF. 

[ClaphamFox]

24 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Is he though? 

 

Just because we're currently not in the relegation zone doesn't mean we're going to stay up. A lot of the underlying data shows that we've actually overperformed to be where we are. Any regression to the mean sees us slip into the bottom 3. It's not sustainable and over 38 games, we'll go down. 

 

Are we tough to beat? We've lost half our games. We're league high for shots conceded. We're league high for xGA. We're 2nd lowest for xGF. 

You know what? I was just thinking that what this thread needs is a lengthy discussion over whether xG/xGA stats actually possess the predictive power that their advocates claim....

 

[dr.o.ball]

29 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Is he though? 

 

Just because we're currently not in the relegation zone doesn't mean we're going to stay up. A lot of the underlying data shows that we've actually overperformed to be where we are. Any regression to the mean sees us slip into the bottom 3. It's not sustainable and over 38 games, we'll go down. 

 

Are we tough to beat? We've lost half our games. We're league high for shots conceded. We're league high for xGA. We're 2nd lowest for xGF. 

Just because we've been lucky that others are crap, it doesn't mean we'll go down either.

 

So many fans are taking circumspect, wishful thinking and blind hatred to justify why Coops is useless. 

 

x GA/GF is usefully bollocks.

[foxinsocks]

Look how long it took them to sack Rodgers when relegation was on the cards by september.  There is no chance  they will sack cooper.  IMO he should be out now.

[glenny_fox]

whilst I'd usually agree that the x GA/GF is usually a stupid stat to go by, I think we as fans who have watched every game so far can be pretty sure that they are correct this time. if it wasn't for horrid finishing/Mads we probably would have conceded 6 against spurs & arsenal, and lost to Everton/Bournemouth

[dr.o.ball]

3 minutes ago, glenny_fox said:

whilst I'd usually agree that the x GA/GF is usually a stupid stat to go by, I think we as fans who have watched every game so far can be pretty sure that they are correct this time. if it wasn't for horrid finishing/Mads we probably would have conceded 6 against spurs & arsenal, and lost to Everton/Bournemouth

Again it's if's buts and maybes, maybe we'll get significantly better, who knows

[ClaphamFox]

11 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Look how long it took them to sack Rodgers when relegation was on the cards by september.  There is no chance  they will sack cooper.  IMO he should be out now.

People put way too much emphasis on what happened with Rodgers. There are three important differences with Cooper: 1) He won't cost upwards of £20m to get rid of; 2) He doesn't have the credit in the bank that Rodgers had after his FA Cup win and two 5th-place finishes; and 3) The board will be painfully aware that delaying sacking Rodgers relegated us and they won't make the same mistake again.

Cooper will stay as long as it looks like he might keep us up. If that ceases to be the case, I expect the club to act quickly.

Edited 14 October 2024 by ClaphamFox

[foxinsocks]

8 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

People put way too much emphasis on what happened with Rodgers. There are three important differences with Cooper: 1) He won't cost upwards of £20m to get rid of; 2) He doesn't have the credit in the bank that Rodgers had after his FA Cup win and two 5th-place finishes; and 3) The board will be painfully aware that delaying sacking Rodgers relegated us and they won't make the same mistake again.

Cooper will stay as long as it looks like he might keep us up. If that ceases to be the case, I expect the club to act quickly.

I hope you are right - my head say wrong :-(

 

[FoxinNotts]

On 13/10/2024 at 10:53, winteriscoming said:

Of course staying up is the most important thing but imo anywhere between 12th and 15th is achievable. With Cooper I don’t see us stopping up. There are a lot of poor sides in this league. Someone else in charge I think we would stop up. 

 

Win on Saturday, and after 8 games we will be on the curve with 9 points. Amazing to think that we could be in 12th by the end of this weekends fixtures, and the other results would just need to go to form, for this to happen!

[murphy]

50 minutes ago, dr.o.ball said:

Again it's if's buts and maybes, maybe we'll get significantly better, who knows

This is why I have gone so early on Cooper - I don't believe that we will get significantly better because he has shown this defensive mentality is his MO.  Why did he sign wingers for their defensive capabilities?  Why splash out so much for another defensive mid when it is one area that we were already covered in?  It's because this bus parking, handbrake on anti-football is how he wants us to play and also how Forest fans have told us that he plays.

 

 It's not a case of a new manager struggling to stamp his identity on to a team that may come good.  Cooper is the obstacle that will prevent us from becoming significantly better.

 

 

[dr.o.ball]

6 minutes ago, murphy said:

This is why I have gone so early on Cooper - I don't believe that we will get significantly better because he has shown this defensive mentality is his MO.  Why did he sign wingers for their defensive capabilities?  Why splash out so much for another defensive mid when it is one area that we were already covered in?  It's because this bus parking, handbrake on anti-football is how he wants us to play and also how Forest fans have told us that he plays.

 

 It's not a case of a new manager struggling to stamp his identity on to a team that may come good.  Cooper is the obstacle that will prevent us from becoming significantly better.

 

 

Must agree with your logic, I don't love Cooper, but probability goes both ways.

 

We go 2 up against Palace looking a threat, then back off until it's embarrassingly defensive, before Cooper has even made a change. Admittedly his subs were crap, but the same 11 played both good and bad.  players play at as a collective and should take a certain amount of responsibility for their performance.

[winteriscoming]

4 hours ago, FoxinNotts said:

Win on Saturday, and after 8 games we will be on the curve with 9 points. Amazing to think that we could be in 12th by the end of this weekends fixtures, and the other results would just need to go to form, for this to happen!

I wish I had your confidence. We should be looking at least 7 points out of these 3 games coming up. Unfortunately I can see us messing up and ending up with 2 draws and a defeat. 

[Muzzy_no7]

#CooperOut

[gurru991]

On 12/10/2024 at 22:58, CrazyKopCorner said:

hhhmmmmm I know that's realistic but blimey we've fallen a long way in a short period of time. 

 

He's clearly not up to the job and it's infuriating that we should be aiming for at least mid table. 

The decline started with Brendan Rodgers & relegation....... This is the long road to recovery.  The championship season was ok but it we struggled towards the end.

This club will need top class stewardship to once again belong in the Premier.

I keep saying this but I don't believe Rudkin is capable of making us respectable again.   We need new blood in upper management. !!

[MPH]

It’s very easy to say sack cooper now.
 

But I would ask people to seriously consider the wisdom of sacking someone without a replacement lined up.. we do not need to put ourselves further in the whole seeking replacements and having them turn us down and potentially slipping further down the league whilst rudderless. Making it even harder to attract a quality replacement.

[gurru991]

41 minutes ago, MPH said:

It’s very easy to say sack cooper now.
 

But I would ask people to seriously consider the wisdom of sacking someone without a replacement lined up.. we do not need to put ourselves further in the whole seeking replacements and having them turn us down and potentially slipping further down the league whilst rudderless. Making it even harder to attract a quality replacement.

100% Agree

I don't imagine that the Managers job at Leicester is very high on many quality managers wish list & firing Cooper will not make the club any more attractive. The candidates were few & far between in the Summer when a points deduction was hanging over our heads & Cooper may have possibly been one of the few serious applicants. 

We have shown the football world with our relegation and spending infractions that we are a poorly run operation that will continue to struggle until changes are made.

Cooper may not be the best manager but he may have been the best we could get.