Cooper - OUT

[foxfanazer]

We're gonna be on the end of a really bad scoreline sooner or later. Thankfully we've not been up against anyone at their clinical best so far and when we did (Arsenal) Mads was incredible. Saving my triple captain on Haaland for when they play us

[The Quick Brown Fox]

14 hours ago, shailen said:

After 8 games, 2 wins, 3 draws and 3 loses. A good start. 

 

We've not been battered by anyone and been in every single game we've played. We've scored in every game too.

 

It might not be pretty, we live on the edge at times but you can't deny it's effective. Cooper is doing great with the squad he has at his disposal and we can't ask for much more than what he has delivered so far. 

 

I disagree with this. We were absolutely battered by Arsenal. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

The issue with first half is that we are so fragile down our right hand side. The two goals we conceded were almost identical. I think Facundo is a great player but he’s not the best defensively. He needs to get Abdul in as he’s a great defensive winger, and then fit Facundo in elsewhere.

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

The issue with first half is that we are so fragile down our right hand side. The two goals we conceded were almost identical. I think Facundo is a great player but he’s not the best defensively. He needs to get Abdul in as he’s a great defensive winger, and then fit Facundo in elsewhere.

Facundo would excel in the 10 with Fatawu and Stephy either side of him. I'm not sure what's holding Cooper back with this

[The Doctor]

9 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Facundo would excel in the 10 with Fatawu and Stephy either side of him. I'm not sure what's holding Cooper back with this

he's a negative and Uber defensive manager who'll never acknowledge that the reason we threw away the game v Palace, the reason we came so close to throwing it away v Bournemouth is because you can't just defend with 10 in your own half for 45 minutes and expect it to work

[trooky]

15 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Facundo would excel in the 10 with Fatawu and Stephy either side of him. I'm not sure what's holding Cooper back with this

Yep it's just so obvious, for a man that doesn't want to change anything it's taking him a long to to revert back to our best set-up.

 

In his MOTD interview he said Fatawu needs help transitioning into a premier league player and they've been working on aspects of his game in training, but why start El Khannous who also needs to transition into the PL and the  English game in general.

 

Both Fatawu and El Khannous are very promising players but in my opinion Fatawu has to start because he's already had a season in English football and Buonanotte is better as a 10.

Edited 20 October 2024 by trooky

[foxfanazer]

Just now, trooky said:

Yep it's just so obvious, for a man that doesn't want to change anything it's taking him a long to to revert back to our best set-up.

 

In his MOTD interview he's said Fatawu needs help transitioning into a premier league player and they've been working on aspects of his game in training, but why start El Khannous who also needs to transition into the PL and English games.

 

Both Fatawu and El Khannous are very promising players but in my opinion Fatawu has to start because he's already had a season in English football and Buonanotte is better as a 10.

I'd honestly say Fatawu is one of our most 'premier league ready' players. He's quick, can beat a man and is responsible defensively too. Seemed like a cop out answer from Cooper imo

[SafewayFox]

9 minutes ago, trooky said:

Yep it's just so obvious, for a man that doesn't want to change anything it's taking him a long to to revert back to our best set-up.

 

In his MOTD interview he said Fatawu needs help transitioning into a premier league player and they've been working on aspects of his game in training, but why start El Khannous who also needs to transition into the PL and the  English game in general.

 

Both Fatawu and El Khannous are very promising players but in my opinion Fatawu has to start because he's already had a season in English football and Buonanotte is better as a 10.

The same player (Fatawu) who he started for the first 3 PL games?!

 

Cooper like most managers talk absolute guff.

[ealingfox]

17 minutes ago, trooky said:

 

 

In his MOTD interview he said Fatawu needs help transitioning into a premier league player and they've been working on aspects of his game in training, but why start El Khannous who also needs to transition into the PL and the  English game in general.

 

 

Yes, another red flag when I heard this - the bloke talks absolute shite. Hopefully just paving the way for him to start doing the right thing without admitting he was wrong.

 

Should be Fatawu-Bounanotte-Mav behind Vardy as the first choice attack.

 

[Richmondfox]

29 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

The issue with first half is that we are so fragile down our right hand side. The two goals we conceded were almost identical. I think Facundo is a great player but he’s not the best defensively. He needs to get Abdul in as he’s a great defensive winger, and then fit Facundo in elsewhere.

It doesn’t help that Cooper sets the play to push to the left.  Faes is always pushed over, JJ tucked in watching and Facundo playing a free roll. So much better with two players in roles they are stronger in. Soton were also down to 10 men so we got more freedom. 
 

JJ is always out of position but he doesn’t seem to know where or when to go.  For the first goal he watched the winger open and just back tracked marking no one. 

 For the second he got bullied and didn’t even seem to apply any pressure.  In the second half he got bullied constantly by the teenage lad and then they switched Walker Peters to that side as he is a clear weakness. 

[l444ry]

Some of the hysterical criticism of Cooper is getting laughable these days. As already pointed out, they'll never be happy until they get their pound of flesh. A bit like those expert West Ham fans that hounded David Moyes for years despite delivering stability and a European Trophy. 

[coolhandfox]

9 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Some of the hysterical criticism of Cooper is getting laughable these days. As already pointed out, they'll never be happy until they get their pound of flesh. A bit like those expert West Ham fans that hounded David Moyes for years despite delivering stability and a European Trophy. 

You can't compare Cooper and Moyes situations.

[SafewayFox]

25 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Some of the hysterical criticism of Cooper is getting laughable these days. As already pointed out, they'll never be happy until they get their pound of flesh. A bit like those expert West Ham fans that hounded David Moyes for years despite delivering stability and a European Trophy. 

Do you actually read the well reasoned and rationale messages that people post about Cooper?!?

 

Not aimed solely at you but some posters seem to all jump to the same conclusion about fans not convinced by Cooper but ignore the countless constructive posts stating why they have concerns over him.

[The Hitman]

The results we are getting feel very lucky to me. Most games this season we could be 5 down by half time, we’re giving far too many chances away. 
 

I hope I’m wrong but I feel like there is a drubbing on the horizon, probably on Friday night knowing us. 
 

Going behind every match and giving so many chance away simply isn’t sustainable. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

I'd honestly say Fatawu is one of our most 'premier league ready' players. He's quick, can beat a man and is responsible defensively too. Seemed like a cop out answer from Cooper imo

Also playing games sort of helps if he thinks he needs to become ‘Premier League ready’ (which he doesn’t imo)

Edited 20 October 2024 by Wasyls Pec Deck

[jonny_wright]

5 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Also playing games sort of helps if he thinks he needs to becoming ‘Premier League ready’ (which he doesn’t imo)

He was good vs Spurs, ok vs Fulham - poor vs Villa and palace and good vs Southampton.

 

hes inconsistent but then what he’s done in the amount of mins he’s had, he’s done more than Mavididi & Ayew for me to start 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 minute ago, jonny_wright said:

He was good vs Spurs, ok vs Fulham - poor vs Villa and palace and good vs Southampton.

 

hes inconsistent but then what he’s done in the amount of mins he’s had, he’s done more than Mavididi & Ayew for me to start 

Good point - despite fewer minutes he’s actually made some vital contributions and assists

[Webbo]

10 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Do you actually read the well reasoned and rationale messages that people post about Cooper?!?

 

 

No, because generally there isn't any. People were calling for him to be sacked during preseason.  You've made your mind up and no amount of wins is going to change your mind.

We're a newly promoted team with a new manager forced upon us due to circumstances beyond our control. It's obviously going to be a struggle. To pretend we can gung ho attack and win every game is ridiculous,  and any fair minded person would recognise that.

[Mike1983]

2 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

It might sound harsh but he relies on the opposition turning to absolute shit or individual brilliance, whether it be Mads in goal or the likes of Fatawu or Facundo making something from nothing. Imo it isn't sustainable and our luck will run out.

 

Don't get me wrong though I was buzzing to see us come back yesterday and the table is looking more than alright. Just don't get the impression he'll learn anything from the first half performance 

I generally agree with this, but I do think you're not giving him enough credit for the fighting spirit and sense of urgency we definitely seem to have improved on. 

 

I disagree with those claiming Fatawu should be a clear starter based on his outstanding performance yesterday. Football isn’t that straightforward, had he started, there’s no guarantee he'd have made the same impact. 

 

Ayew was pretty poor up until the goal, but when you pop up with a late winner like that, all’s forgiven.

 

Credit to Cooper for making the subs at the right time.

[Scanchez]

Lose to Forest - sack him.

 

Beat Forest - extend his contract.

 

It's that simple.

[fox in the sox]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

he's a negative and Uber defensive manager who'll never acknowledge that the reason we threw away the game v Palace, the reason we came so close to throwing it away v Bournemouth is because you can't just defend with 10 in your own half for 45 minutes and expect it to work

He’s so defensive we have scored in every  match.

[l444ry]

19 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Do you actually read the well reasoned and rationale messages that people post about Cooper?!?

 

Not aimed solely at you but some posters seem to all jump to the same conclusion about fans not convinced by Cooper but ignore the countless constructive posts stating why they have concerns over him.

Did you not read the post started with SOME? I'm not totally enamoured with the fella but you get the impression that when he doesn't fall flat on his face there's an element that take it as a personal insult. 

[StriderHiryu]

2 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

So I’m not trying to compete with many great posters about tactics @StriderHiryu etc

 

BUT I can’t shake how bad we are defensively as a team under Cooper.

 

Look at where Faes is - he’s so far away from his CB partner in Okoli and this happens in every game….best CB pairings work as a unit.

 

We concede so many chances and like others have said Southampton could have been out of sight in the first half and we’d have no complaints.

 

It’s not realistic to want Cooper out based on our last two results but he still isn’t our long term solution and as long as the board see that, I’ll just enjoy the now.

Funnily enough there is a bit about this in today’s video. However, I will say that Southampton changed their formation which clearly bamboozled Cooper for a long time. They kept finding the spare man because Cooper wasn’t fast enough to organise the defence to match their changed system. 

[FoxesWalk]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

he's a negative and Uber defensive manager who'll never acknowledge that the reason we threw away the game v Palace, the reason we came so close to throwing it away v Bournemouth is because you can't just defend with 10 in your own half for 45 minutes and expect it to work

A negative and uber defensive manager who’s team has scored more goals than anyone outside the top 7 aside from Brentford? 
 

Our defensive fragility is a big problem, and can be fairly criticised, but we are the best attacking side of those near the bottom. We have scored double the goals of the other newly promoted sides. Mads is a big plus, and has prevented many likely goals already, without him our goals conceded would look far worse imo. 
 

If we can sort out the defence and continue to score at this rate we should have a good chance of staying up. 

Edited 20 October 2024 by FoxesWalk

[RedSoxUK]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

In his MOTD interview he said Fatawu needs help transitioning into a premier league player and they've been working on aspects of his game in training, but why start El Khannous who also needs to transition into the PL and the  English game in general.

This really pissed me off last night. Fatawu proved in the championship he was one of the most creative players in that division with a powerful and often accurate left foot. Cooper apparently watched all our games but clearly not, he can't of. 

 

In the same logic why are we starting Mads, Okoli, Mavididi, and Al Khannouss as you say.

 

The reality is (backed up by the fact Cooper has often played Fatawu on his far weaker side on the left,) Cooper doesn't like that Fatawu exposes Coopers preferred tactical shape to fit him in on the right.