Cooper - OUT

[JimJams]

2 minutes ago, markko said:

You know as I do there is a gulf. 

Yes there is a gulf but some people seem to conflate a gulf between being a good championship side and a side being capable of staying in the Premier League as though it's the same gulf as being a good championship team and being a team capable of challenging for Europe.

The gulf isn't nearly as big as being made out.  People are downplaying our squad while at the same time discrediting Enzo by saying he got promoted with arguably the best squad to play in the Championship.  Yet Fulham won the Champ, then finished 10th in the prem with other fellow promoted sides Bournemouth and Forest also staying up.

Brentford went up through the playoffs and finished comfortably in 13th, 11 points above the relegation zone.  Leeds won the Champioinship in 19/20 and finished 9th in the Prem the season after.  Sheff Utd were promoted in 2nd place and finished their subsequent season 9th in the Prem.

There's a gulf. But in terms of league survival it's nowhere near as big as being made out.

[BlackFox]

3 hours ago, TeamRocket said:

Feel like this gonna happen  every time we feel like he should go he some how wins and owner think it's okay. Still believe he should be 1 loss away from getting scaked

Rodgers 2.0

[Paninistickers]

14 minutes ago, ronnup said:

 

I watched it with my eyeballs 

Same. And I checked to see if he was balling out VK (as he was in line of sight between Faes and cooper) ...but it was DEFINITELY a tirade at Cooper. 

 

Extraordinary. And damning 

[The whole world smiles]

7 games in we are 5 points clear of Southampton and wolves. We are also top of the 6 team grouping that you would imagine will make up the bottom 6 come the end of the season. 

 

Yes he's pragmatic and overly cautious and the football isn't pretty on the eyes but you absolutely can not deny that so far he's grinding out results.

 

The goal for this season was always 17th we don't have to be good we just have to be less shit than 3 other clubs. 

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

29 minutes ago, Fox85 said:

If you class what I said as abuse then I'm concerned over for you during your 40 years on this planet.

 

Is part of the problem at the club happy clappers liker your self? Yes it's a big problem that needs to be erased and has been for a few years now.

 

Problem with happy clappers is that they accept lacklustre performances and have no ambition, this is a massive reason this club will never advance.

 

I do apologise if you feel like what I said has abused you but in reality it is "Fans" like your self that is part of the problem. 

 

That's my opinion as you are entitled to yours however the quicker this guy goes the better.

 

I will give Cooper 1 decent prop thou he can set a team up well against decent opposition he just ruins it for approximately 75 mins of a game with his in game management. Needs to be sacked.

 

P.S thanks for showing upto my comment a week later, funny how you replied after we got a win 🤣

Your malcontent provides exactly the same to the cause as a happy clapper. Can you seriously not see this?

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Your malcontent provides exactly the same to the cause as a happy clapper. Can you seriously not see this?

But you're forgetting the extra level of self-gratification.

[HarryDee8]

What we can't keep doing is trying to protect a lead or draw in the last 20 minutes, we just ain't good enough to do that at present.

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

But you're forgetting the extra level of self-gratification.

I have no knowledge of this, because as a self proclaimed clapper of the happiest order, only the self flagellation that demands.

[Pliskin]

20 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

7 games in we are 5 points clear of Southampton and wolves. We are also top of the 6 team grouping that you would imagine will make up the bottom 6 come the end of the season. 

 

Yes he's pragmatic and overly cautious and the football isn't pretty on the eyes but you absolutely can not deny that so far he's grinding out results.

 

The goal for this season was always 17th we don't have to be good we just have to be less shit than 3 other clubs. 

 

 

And here’s the issue, this attitude “we only need to be 17th”……

 

We’re getting worse week by week, as another game passes we seem to lose more ability to pass a football. Cooper was appointed for damage limitation, this is no longer necessary, his football is absolutely turgid… we don’t need to grind out games, we don’t need to be over cautious….. there is quality in this team, but our manager is incapable of maximising that potential. 
 

The problem is, there’s no definite idea, he just lobs 11 players onto the pitch, and hopes Mavididi or Buonanotte can come up with something. There’s no structure in the team, it was all over the place at times and we ended up with about 5 players in the midfield all getting on each other's way…. 
 

We’re not progressing, we’re clinging on, and my fear is at some point some teams around us will start to click and we just won’t move on. Cooper’s limitations are harming us. What is positive is that we aren’t playing well at all, but we are picking up points. 

Edited 5 October 2024 by Pliskin

[tetly]

He should get sacked.
40 points the target, the  next game is game is game 9 one quarter of the season. 
The most points we can have at that point is 9 x 4 only gets 36 points. Is this enough to keep us up?

I don’t see his style changing much or his history of results. Get him gone now for me.

[The whole world smiles]

1 minute ago, tetly said:

He should get sacked.
40 points the target, the  next game is game is game 9 one quarter of the season. 
The most points we can have at that point is 9 x 4 only gets 36 points. Is this enough to keep us up?

I don’t see his style changing much or his history of results. Get him gone now for me.

The next game is game 8, back to school for you.

[murphy]

51 minutes ago, markko said:

We have just got promoted. We are not established. There is a gulf we have to bridge. Burnley won it season before and went down.

We may have just been promoted but we are a club that has only spent one season out of the last ten outside of the top flight and when we have been 'allowed' to take the handbrake off we have looked competitive.  We were promoted with a squad that was considered by many to be the best that had played in The Championship and for every Burnley there are several clubs that go up and stay up.

 

Having said that, you might be right.  We might be a bottom 3-5 club, but I suspect that we might be better than that, but how will we ever know unless Cooper lets them play instead of retreating and handing over the initiative to every team he comes up against?

 

At the end of the day, bus-parking. anti-football, whatever you want to call it, is just something I can't get behind.  I'd rather go down fighting.

[Sankey93]

Happy we’ve won but it keeps in longer now! Second half was embarrassing this team is more than capable of staying up under the right manager he Steve cooper ain’t it! Sack him tomorrow morning please.

[stevebfox]

18 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

7 games in we are 5 points clear of Southampton and wolves. We are also top of the 6 team grouping that you would imagine will make up the bottom 6 come the end of the season. 

 

Yes he's pragmatic and overly cautious and the football isn't pretty on the eyes but you absolutely can not deny that so far he's grinding out results.

 

The goal for this season was always 17th we don't have to be good we just have to be less shit than 3 other clubs. 

 

 

I'd rather we try and play good football. The way the Premier League is now it's way too hard to compete at the top. So maybe what's so wrong with playing attacking football and you end up in the Championship? I'd rather watch that than this. Simply surviving in the Prem... what great, pointless fun. Who knows with the squad we have we might even surprise a few people with the right tactics. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, stevebfox said:

I'd rather we try and play good football. The way the Premier League is now it's way too hard to compete at the top. So maybe what's so wrong with playing attacking football and you end up in the Championship? I'd rather watch that than this. Simply surviving in the Prem... what great, pointless fun. Who knows with the squad we have we might even surprise a few people with the right tactics. 

This what Ipswich are currently doing. Reckon their fans and ownership are fine with it?

[whoareyaaa]

We are creating nothing I don’t think I have seen us keep the ball for more than 2 minutes or create any kind of decent patterns of play also his signings have been rubbish I imagine he was allowed to bring in Ayew, Ried and Edouard while the club signed Bilal, Okoli and Facundo 

 

His game management with subs is terrible as well.

 

let’s hope the board don’t allow him to build a team along with fazing players like Fatawu, Ricardo and poss Vesterguard out and entertaining no youth players.

 

We could do a lot better.

 

The results haven’t been that bad though on the whole considering the teams we have played so he will get until Christmas just don’t see him as a project manager 

Edited 5 October 2024 by whoareyaaa

[JimJams]

My opinion on Cooper was that he had a 4 game audition before the international break. We had Everton without a point.  Palace without a win.  As things stood, our relegation survival rivals. And Bournemouth to round things off.  After losses to Villa and Fulham and knowing that some teams that would be in the mix were going head to head, I wanted and somewhat expected us to get 6 points from those games. A win vs Everton and to either beat an under-performing Palace or our home game against Bournemouth.  I thought of that as a fair minimum given you don't have much time to get things going and we needed points on the board.

Given we didn't beat either of or rivals, the only positive there was that we didn't lose.  But on the face of it, giving up a 2 goal lead and only getting a draw against an Everton backline that makes Vardy look like a fresh faced u21 looked a massive wasted opportunity.  And still might.  So I guess we got the Arsenal defeat out of the way, and then we've slogged our way to a win. 

Ultimately we're only 1 point shy of what I think we had to get to say Cooper deserves to see out more of the season, but it's still short.  The fact we shared points with our rivals rather than ceding to them makes it more palatable but the manner of the results just doesn't instill any confidence that Cooper is going to get us through this next incredibly important run of games. Saints A, Forest H, Ipswich A. Ideally 9 points.  Realistically?  Well I'd hope we get 6.  And for survival reasons I'd choose to get those against Saints and Ipswich.  But they're both away.  Would anyone bet on that?  What's acceptable for the Cooper in crowd?  Draw all 3? 5 points? Don't lose to either rival and beat Forest?

With another international break do we judge Cooper on a rolling basis or is there a new magic number of when it's fair to judge?

If there wasn't an international break I'd let him get through those 3 on a rolling basis probably. There doesn't seem to be any reason to push him out with the current position.  But it is only the current position, and the way we play gives me no confidence whatsoever, and so an international break is an ideal opportunity when it comes to bringing someone new in because they at least have a few weeks to work with the bulk of the squad before their first game.  I suppose you've got to weigh up how much you think that matters. If you think it could be a big factor, then there's a decision to be made now as to where they think Cooper will take us.  If you think that 2 weeks working with most of the squad isn't all that important, then I suppose you can hold off and see how he fares over these next games.  But if you get rid after that, you've given whoever you bring in a right shit run of games to settle in!

[The whole world smiles]

5 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

And here’s the issue, this attitude “we only need to be 17th”……

 

We’re getting worse week by week, as another game passes we seem to lose more ability to pass a football. Cooper was appointed for damage limitation, this is no longer necessary, his football is absolutely turgid… we don’t need to grind out games, we don’t need to be over cautious….. there is quality in this team, but our manager is incapable of maximising that potential. 
 

The problem is, there’s no definite idea, he just lobs 11 players onto the pitch, and hopes Mavididi or Buonanotte can come up with something. There’s no structure on the team, it was all over the place at times and we ended up with about 5 players in the midfield all getting on each other's way…. 
 

We’re not progressing, we’re clinging on, and my fear is at some point some teams around us will start to click and we just won’t move on. Cooper’s limitations are harming us. What is positive is that we aren’t playing well at all, but we are picking up points. 

I don't think we are getting worse week on week it's all been pretty meh this is what your gonna get with him we are gonna be in games, we are gonna be atrocious to watch and we are gonna grind out points. 

 

To be honest I don't know how much of Southampton or wolves you have watched this season but we look a lot more likely to click than they do in fact if we back today up with a win at Southampton you could argue we are clicking. Also palace was a shocking robbery and the premier league admitted he was offside so add those theoretical 2 points on and we are 12th.

 

I'm not saying it's not shit to watch I'm not saying I want him in charge for the next 3 years but the situation is nowhere near as dire as people are making out. I think people just enjoy the drama.

[l444ry]

Reading through some of this I get the impression that there are plenty that would have rather seen us lose today. Sad state of affairs when defending a set in stone personal opinion has to trump a decent result. 

[The whole world smiles]

4 minutes ago, stevebfox said:

I'd rather we try and play good football. The way the Premier League is now it's way too hard to compete at the top. So maybe what's so wrong with playing attacking football and you end up in the Championship? I'd rather watch that than this. Simply surviving in the Prem... what great, pointless fun. Who knows with the squad we have we might even surprise a few people with the right tactics. 

Yeah me too mate. I work in Nottingham and have mates who love him but they would admit he's a very negative manager. He isn't a long term solution and think the club know it to.

 

He's been bought in to do a specific job and arguably so far he's doing it. The club are not even thinking about sacking him now. So in my opinion time to give him a bit of breathing room and see where we are after 12 games.

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

I don't think we are getting worse week on week it's all been pretty meh this is what your gonna get with him we are gonna be in games, we are gonna be atrocious to watch and we are gonna grind out points. 

 

To be honest I don't know how much of Southampton or wolves you have watched this season but we look a lot more likely to click than they do in fact if we back today up with a win at Southampton you could argue we are clicking. Also palace was a shocking robbery and the premier league admitted he was offside so add those theoretical 2 points on and we are 12th.

 

I'm not saying it's not shit to watch I'm not saying I want him in charge for the next 3 years but the situation is nowhere near as dire as people are making out. I think people just enjoy the drama.

I think the main argument is we can be better, we’ve got some technically gifted players in this team, and with a better coaching team we could be playing better football and probably being doing slightly better. 
 

I just feel there’s a general acceptance that the goal is 17th…. When we can actually achieve a bit more in my opinion. 

[The whole world smiles]

4 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Reading through some of this I get the impression that there are plenty that would have rather seen us lose today. Sad state of affairs when defending a set in stone personal opinion has to trump a decent result. 

Very well put.

[cropstonfox]

8 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

Happy we’ve won but it keeps in longer now! Second half was embarrassing this team is more than capable of staying up under the right manager he Steve cooper ain’t it! Sack him tomorrow morning please.

All about opinions,personally I think

He deserves a reasonable chance,based on his effort and integrity.

And in terms of honesty he is worth  a hundred Brendon Rogers, who lived of the previous squad.

Back him for a season.

[lcfcell]

10 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Reading through some of this I get the impression that there are plenty that would have rather seen us lose today. Sad state of affairs when defending a set in stone personal opinion has to trump a decent result. 

I’m absolutely delighted we won. I’m just getting fed up with his atrocious game management which is genuinely hampering us. 

[Kp1984]

5 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

All about opinions,personally I think

He deserves a reasonable chance,based on his effort and integrity.

And in terms of honesty he is worth  a hundred Brendon Rogers, who lived of the previous squad.

Back him for a season.

So hes nice and honest so he stays . Being honest then doing the same shit again and again don’t make you a good manager. I’m happy we won but dam that 2nd half was horrible he is so negative at times it’s painful to watch. We was hanging on for most the 2nd half and we got lucky