Cooper - OUT

[Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, Tielemans63 said:

Errrr....look how many goals we've conceded this season have come down his side. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here.

 

You realise there is more to the game then that right?

 

I dont judge players on a a single or a couple of moments in a 90 minute game.

 

It is also a team sport.  There is other players involved in how the ball got to that position in the first place.

Edited 19 October 2024 by Chrysalis

[Tielemans63]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

 

You realise there is more to the game then that right?

 

I dont judge players on a a single or a couple of moments in a 90 minute game.

I am aware of that, yes. Are you aware that a right back's priority is to defend the right hand side?

[JimJams]

5 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

JJ is an absolute liability. I'm not sure what the beef is between Ricardo and Cooper but Cooper needs to sort it, for the good of the team.

I'm not entirely sold on it being JJ, though a lot of the goals shipped have come down his side. Cooper wants to play the high fullback and I think often we are getting exposed short of cover.  You'd have to look at things in more detail to see if it's the player or the system.  Perhaps that's why Riccy isn't playing?  Maybe he's questioned it and JJ just gets on with it?

That's one for the conspiracy lot.

[l444ry]

Just now, Tielemans63 said:

Errrr....look how many goals we've conceded this season have come down his side. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here.

Could be Cooper’s system which exposes the right hand side?  Justin is being made a scapegoat for that as I see it.

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

 

You realise there is more to the game then that right?

 

I dont judge players on a a single or a couple of moments in a 90 minute game.

Errr with Justin we’ve conceded somewhere between 60 to 70% of goals from the right flank (crosses etc) 

[Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

Talksport

You got a link? I searched and is nothing other than a 22019 interview with them, wish people linked.

 

I dont want to judge Winks until I see/read it myself.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

The players were desperate to get in the game in the second half irrespective of Cooper...the win goes to the players not Cooper

[The boy Linacre]

33 minutes ago, Aleksz said:

Being bailed out by the players far exceeding expectations, not his own tactics and selections.

 

Not going to argue with some in here, like I said it’ll come out in the wash eventually.

TBF was open minded when he joined, but has been cautious so far.  But glad to see he got the starting line up more positive & though he probably brought Abdul on coz the fans demanded it, he even got the subs right today .

[Chrysalis]

5 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Errr with Justin we’ve conceded somewhere between 60 to 70% of goals from the right flank (crosses etc) 

So Justin is the only player involved in defending, no midfielders or other defenders the opponent got through first?

 

I got news for you, there is no player that blocks everything, even the magical Kante and it also a team sport.

 

Of course we ignore all the blocked attacks by Justin for convenience, and his positive forward play.

[Number 6]

3 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

The players were desperate to get in the game in the second half irrespective of Cooper...the win goes to the players not Cooper

Honestly don't see how Cooper can win if people have this view. Subs and system changes by him swung the game and the goal comes from a set piece routine.

 

You can slate him for the first half if you like, but he has to be credited for the turnaround.

[Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

Honestly don't see how Cooper can win if people have this view. Subs and system changes by him swung the game and the goal comes from a set piece routine.

 

You can slate him for the first half if you like, but he has to be credited for the turnaround.

Everyone wants their favourite players picked, but its not just that, we know its people have a personal dislike, and we know with human nature, once thats decided, you cant change that.

 

These people will be going on with desperation until the day Cooper leaves the club.

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

Everyone wants their favourite players picked, but its not just that, we know its people have a personal dislike, and we know with human nature, once thats decided, you cant change that.

 

These people will be going on with desperation until the day Cooper leaves the club.

No one has a personal dislike, they don't like the football simple as that stop trying to create a narrative that isn't there

[pazzerfox]

22 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Barmy statement, laced with hyperbole to make it seem more credible.

 

If we were anywhere near winning 7-0 there wouldn't be an issue and he'd be lauded as a genius.

 

Fact is we look over-run in most games, lacking in ideas and the man keeps our most creative and experienced heads on the bench whilst we struggle to execute his "game plan". We'll all take the wins but he's certainly not endearing himself by doing it the hard way and turning us from a 75% possession to a 25% possession side.

We've won 2 premier league games on the bounce mate, have a beer and enjoy it! The 7-0 was tongue and cheek to get people like you to bite. 🎣 Have a good evening! Come on Steve...Blue Army!!

[CosbehFox]

7 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

So Justin is the only player involved in defending, no midfielders or other defenders the opponent got through first?

 

I got news for you, there is no player that blocks everything, even the magical Kante and it also a team sport.

 

Of course we ignore all the blocked attacks by Justin for convenience, and his positive forward play.

 

I’ll explain again as you don’t half love playing the contrary. 
 

As a defender you have to make the calculation of risk and reward. Justin this season has consistently made decisions which have a direct impact leading to a goal. 
 

The first goal today. Okoli is not in a great position but the cross doesn’t go in, he’s fine. The same happened v Villa/Duran goal. 
 

At Fulham, Vestergaard lost an initial challenge and this allowed a counter attack. Justin chose to allow the attacker to run unchallenged to the edge of the 18 yard box. The threat of danger when Vestergaard made that challenge is on the halfway line is relatively minimal. The danger when Justin allows Smith Rowe to go unchecked into the eighteen yard box, obviously is a lot worse. 
 

If Justin tucks in and stops the crosses for those moments, the goals don’t happen. 
 

I don’t have a hatred or dislike for the bloke. I see a player in bad form and a more than able deputy not playing 

Edited 19 October 2024 by CosbehFox

[Finnegan]

35 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Lot of humble pie eating and back tracking. 

 

The fans didn't want Wes Morgan, the fans didn't want Martin O'Neill, the fans didn't want Nigel Pearson, the fans didn't want Jamie Vardy!

 

We're doing just fine. And we're gonna go on a roll now. Let's av itttttt

 

Nobody is eating humble pie or back tracking. 

 

Today was awful for Cooper. 

 

It was the most profound litmus test of the season so far, a direct comparison to last season. We played a team we absolutely devastated twice last year and they completely embarrassed us. 

 

And they've not vastly improved their side, they have the same coach and look at where they sit in the league. They're appalling and we needed a red card and a penalty to turn it around and beat them. 

 

Cooper left out a player that scored a hattrick against them last time and when he's finally forced to bring him on, what a ****ing shock, he changes the game. As did Harry Winks, whose omission from the start was equally baffling given he's a fundamental building block in how this team of players plays the football the manager claims he wants us to play. 

 

Claiming that today's game is some sort of vindication of Cooper's management isn't a clever gotcha that makes the mean "haters" look silly, it's an admission that you don't really understand what you're watching when you go to a football match that makes you look silly. 

 

[Chrysalis]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

No one has a personal dislike, they don't like the football simple as that stop trying to create a narrative that isn't there

Right, when have you seen this kind of thing get called out so early in a managers reign before and with such intensity?

 

The football is better than what was served up in Rodgers last 18 months and Enzo ball as well.

[Chrysalis]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

 

I’ll explain again as you don’t half love playing the contrary. 
 

As a defender you have to make the calculation of risk and reward. Justin this season has consistently made decisions which have a direct impact leading to a goal. 
 

The first goal today. Okoli is not in a great position but the cross doesn’t go in, he’s fine. The same happened v Villa/Duran goal. 
 

At Fulham, Vestergaard lost an initial challenge and this allowed a counter attack. Justin chose to allow the attacker to run unchallenged to the edge of the 18 yard box. The threat of danger when Vestergaard made that challenge is on the halfway line is relatively minimal. The danger when Justin allows Smith Rowe to go unchecked into the eighteen yard box, obviously is a lot worse. 
 

If Justin tucks in and stops the crosses for those moments, the goals don’t happen. 

You still getting it wrong, you are placing blame on conceded goals on one player in a team sport.

 

You also expecting a defender to never get beaten for a cross in a game which is pure fantasy.

 

You just looking for a stick to beat Justin with so there is justification for saying bring in Ricardo.  But dont want to say it.

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Right, when have you seen this kind of thing get called out so early in a managers reign before and with such intensity?

 

The football is better than what was served up in Rodgers last 18 months and Enzo ball as well.

It really isn't better than what was served up under Enzo 100% not, are you serious ?

Edited 19 October 2024 by whoareyaaa

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Finnegan said:

Claiming that today's game is some sort of vindication of Cooper's management isn't a clever gotcha that makes the mean "haters" look silly, it's an admission that you don't really understand what you're watching when you go to a football match that makes you look silly. 

 

 

It’s the opposite. 
 

I wrote on Fosse Way. He had a choice today. Martin will not change his tactics. Maresca last season tweaked his tactics to beat Southampton with ease twice. 
 

Given Martin’s inevitable gameplan, the whole set up was there laid out for Cooper to implement. 
 

He ignored at his error first half. Then actually went to that game plan in the second where Fatawu and Winks are so key. 

[moore_94]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

 

I’ll explain again as you don’t half love playing the contrary. 
 

As a defender you have to make the calculation of risk and reward. Justin this season has consistently made decisions which have a direct impact leading to a goal. 
 

The first goal today. Okoli is not in a great position but the cross doesn’t go in, he’s fine. The same happened v Villa/Duran goal. 
 

At Fulham, Vestergaard lost an initial challenge and this allowed a counter attack. Justin chose to allow the attacker to run unchallenged to the edge of the 18 yard box. The threat of danger when Vestergaard made that challenge is on the halfway line is relatively minimal. The danger when Justin allows Smith Rowe to go unchecked into the eighteen yard box, obviously is a lot worse. 
 

If Justin tucks in and stops the crosses for those moments, the goals don’t happen. 

I just watched back the 1st goal we conceded against Fulham, no clue why he does it but on the below as they are about to play the ball for some reason he steps up rather than out wide and just screws himself having to get back

 

Surely as a player you see that you have 2 players in acres of space to your right, surely you move across rather than up the pitch?

 

Not his fault at all though apparently

 

[whoareyaaa]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Nobody is eating humble pie or back tracking. 

 

Today was awful for Cooper. 

 

It was the most profound litmus test of the season so far, a direct comparison to last season. We played a team we absolutely devastated twice last year and they completely embarrassed us. 

 

And they've not vastly improved their side, they have the same coach and look at where they sit in the league. They're appalling and we needed a red card and a penalty to turn it around and beat them. 

 

Cooper left out a player that scored a hattrick against them last time and when he's finally forced to bring him on, what a ****ing shock, he changes the game. As did Harry Winks, whose omission from the start was equally baffling given he's a fundamental building block in how this team of players plays the football the manager claims he wants us to play. 

 

Claiming that today's game is some sort of vindication of Cooper's management isn't a clever gotcha that makes the mean "haters" look silly, it's an admission that you don't really understand what you're watching when you go to a football match that makes you look silly. 

 

is that pfp moodeng  

[Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

It really isn't better than what was served up under Enzo 100% not, are you serious ?

I am, our forward play is much better and is a reason we have a much more favourable goals per possession ratio.

 

I dont believe in overplaying the ball, not only is it boring, but its inefficient as well.

 

I stopped watching many of our games last season, was a snooze fest in too many of them.

Edited 19 October 2024 by Chrysalis

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, Chrysalis said:

I am, our forward play is much better and is a reason we have a much more favourable goals per possession ratio.

 

I dont believe in overplaying the ball, not only is it boring, but its inefficient as well.

 is it **** 

Edited 19 October 2024 by whoareyaaa

[Hales]

After listening to Wink's post match not all the players agree with him or his decisions.....

 

They were saying to him how Cooper's subs were great and Harry basically said that Fatawu and him should be starting and they were vital players in us winning the championship and how there is a great squad with others not even playing...presumably Riccy?

Go on Harry!

Clearly some players are as puzzled as us!

[Chrysalis]

Just now, Hales said:

After listening to Wink's post match not all the players agree with him or his decisions.....

 

They were saying to him how Cooper's subs were great and Harry basically said that Fatawu and him should be starting and they were vital players in us winning the championship and how there is a great squad with others not even playing...presumably Riccy?

Go on Harry!

Clearly some players are as puzzled as us!

Do you have a link Hales, I have asked and no one can provide one.

 

I dont want to judge Winks until I hear or read it myself. 

 

No players should be publically telling the manager who to pick, so I want to see how it came out before I judge him.

Edited 19 October 2024 by Chrysalis