Otis Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 41 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Agreed. And if you ignore the root causes of them becoming more intense and widespread in the first place, all the means in the world might not save you. It's like the flooding in the UK now - there are a combination of reasons behind it, but if you don't account for the way the Earth is changing, then you're (wilfully or not) missing a critical piece of the puzzle and that has a cost, often a heavy one. Which will only get even heavier in the future. "This isn't about climate change..." It really is. That and mismanagement of resources. (Sorry for the direct callout there Otis, but I was asked directly and I'll say here and now you're hardly the only person in here to express such an opinion on the topic, so it is not my intent to single you out.) That's ok, I understand your point. IMO, Climate change does have an effect on what we have seen recently, but it's not always the greater cause of the issues. 1
grobyfox1990 Posted 9 January Posted 9 January Global catastrophes cost the world $320bn in 2024 LOL. That will go up this year, climate change is damn expensive. Don't wanna come across like all those arrogant and pompous technical people who sit in our meetings whose only response to this is 'weeeelll we toooold you about the changing climate years agooo' (yeh and you did nothing about it you nonce). But f4cking hell, we did say the bill for allowing changing patterns will be very big, plus tips. 1
leicsmac Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 2 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: Global catastrophes cost the world $320bn in 2024 LOL. That will go up this year, climate change is damn expensive. Don't wanna come across like all those arrogant and pompous technical people who sit in our meetings whose only response to this is 'weeeelll we toooold you about the changing climate years agooo' (yeh and you did nothing about it you nonce). But f4cking hell, we did say the bill for allowing changing patterns will be very big, plus tips. Yeah, fair. And that cost is only going to keep going up. 1
Innovindil Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 3 hours ago, Tommy G said: Pound sinks to lowest level since 2023 at $1.22, who'd have thought it To the surprise of no one. They were also told the shite budget would mean further tax rises/spending cuts next year and absolutely nothing that has happened since the budget has shifted that near certainty. Truss got 49 days in the big chair and was booted out after her shite budget. How this bunch of clowns have been allowed longer is beyond me. 1
grobyfox1990 Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 5 minutes ago, Innovindil said: To the surprise of no one. They were also told the shite budget would mean further tax rises/spending cuts next year and absolutely nothing that has happened since the budget has shifted that near certainty. Truss got 49 days in the big chair and was booted out after her shite budget. How this bunch of clowns have been allowed longer is beyond me. Not following FX markets, don't need to these days. The $ is on a tear, I see fiber is nearing parity. Is any cable movement down to strong $?
izzymuzzet Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 26 minutes ago, Innovindil said: To the surprise of no one. They were also told the shite budget would mean further tax rises/spending cuts next year and absolutely nothing that has happened since the budget has shifted that near certainty. Truss got 49 days in the big chair and was booted out after her shite budget. How this bunch of clowns have been allowed longer is beyond me. Dollar is also at a two year high against the Euro. Any dollar movement is more likely to be about FX traders pricing in higher projected US interest rates than anything the UK government has done. Think everyone needs to calm down a little bit and stop overeacting to gilt markets doing gilt market things. 2
Trav Le Bleu Posted 9 January Posted 9 January With the US's current expansionist dialogue, it's no wonder everyone is buying dollars.
Tommy G Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 39 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said: Dollar is also at a two year high against the Euro. Any dollar movement is more likely to be about FX traders pricing in higher projected US interest rates than anything the UK government has done. Think everyone needs to calm down a little bit and stop overeacting to gilt markets doing gilt market things. So nothing to do with inflation in the UK increasing or the fact the economy has contracted for 2 months in a row (first time since 2020) . I don't think it's overreacting to guilt markets either, 10 year bond at the highest level since 2008 and a 30 year bond at the highest level since 1998? This isn't ''gilt markets doing gilt market things'' If in doubt blame Trump - not that he was in power during the periods stated above....
izzymuzzet Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 3 minutes ago, Tommy G said: So nothing to do with inflation in the UK increasing or the fact the economy has contracted for 2 months in a row (first time since 2020) . I don't think it's overreacting to guilt markets either, 10 year bond at the highest level since 2008 and a 30 year bond at the highest level since 1998? This isn't ''gilt markets doing gilt market things'' If in doubt blame Trump - not that he was in power during the periods stated above.... I've not mentioned Trump at all, not sure why you are. I'm suggesting people shouldn't overreact. Obviously it's not ideal that rates on the 10 year bond have risen, because that increases the cost of government borrowing. But the more important measure in terms of stability is how far they are above the base rate. After the Truss mini budget the yield was 2.25% above the base rate. Markets are moving but they're not melting like they were in September 2022.
grobyfox1990 Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 7 minutes ago, Tommy G said: So nothing to do with inflation in the UK increasing or the fact the economy has contracted for 2 months in a row (first time since 2020) . I don't think it's overreacting to guilt markets either, 10 year bond at the highest level since 2008 and a 30 year bond at the highest level since 1998? This isn't ''gilt markets doing gilt market things'' If in doubt blame Trump - not that he was in power during the periods stated above.... Poster prob means the markets are functioning as normal, which they are. This is totally incomparable to Kwarteng's act of insurrection on 23/09/22 when everyone across the city was pulled into drama, that was genuine panic stations. Truss caused movements based on her policy alone, that is not happening this time, there are macro concerns. Market's are calm now, that's indisputable. Just had a bit of a look, US Treasuries are rising alongside a stronger buck. The Trump 2.0 trade is still ongoing. Said in my post above, not sure how much cable movements are down to a stronger buck. You will see fiber is near parity. Empty headed to say this is solely down to Labour although I hope some do think that as there will be some dumb money to take on Betfair. 4
leicsmac Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 15 minutes ago, Tommy G said: So nothing to do with inflation in the UK increasing or the fact the economy has contracted for 2 months in a row (first time since 2020) . I don't think it's overreacting to guilt markets either, 10 year bond at the highest level since 2008 and a 30 year bond at the highest level since 1998? This isn't ''gilt markets doing gilt market things'' If in doubt blame Trump - not that he was in power during the periods stated above.... Well, there will be plenty of time, opportunity - and justification - to do that about a lot of things over the next four years and beyond tbf. 1
davieG Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 5 hours ago, foxy boxing said: Some people will say California is seeing the consequences of Americans greed and destruction and is a massive wake up call especially with an incoming climate change denier Trump. ...and if you're religious as many are over there you could be thinking Sodom & Gomorrah
davieG Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said: Global catastrophes cost the world $320bn in 2024 LOL. That will go up this year, climate change is damn expensive. Don't wanna come across like all those arrogant and pompous technical people who sit in our meetings whose only response to this is 'weeeelll we toooold you about the changing climate years agooo' (yeh and you did nothing about it you nonce). But f4cking hell, we did say the bill for allowing changing patterns will be very big, plus tips. Only the super rich will benefit as rebuild takes place just like in wars.
Zear0 Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 9 minutes ago, davieG said: ...and if you're religious as many are over there you could be thinking Sodom & Gomorrah They these new full backs we're getting in? 2
grobyfox1990 Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 5 minutes ago, davieG said: Only the super rich will benefit as rebuild takes place just like in wars. Climate-related provisions for banks and insurers are increasing and will keep increasing. Who's gonna fund the rebuild if it all gets boffed away again in a few years, which it will. War is a lucrative trade for sure, climate mitigation could be if a Govt grows the balls to put heavy investment into it. 1
st albans fox Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 5 hours ago, Otis said: crazy that they had a very wet winter and early spring and the lakes/reservoirs were all full. those water stage facilities would have been v useful. 4 hours ago, bovril said: Have heard similar rumours in the pubs of her ex constituency. also known to leave her used tampax on the bedroom floor for the cleaner to clear away ……… that’s how you judge a person!
FoxesDeb Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: also known to leave her used tampax on the bedroom floor for the cleaner to clear away ……… that’s how you judge a person! Eeew
orangecity23 Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 1 hour ago, davieG said: ...and if you're religious as many are over there you could be thinking Sodom & Gomorrah 1 hour ago, Zear0 said: They these new full backs we're getting in? No, you misheard. Sodall is who we are signing. 2
Trav Le Bleu Posted 9 January Posted 9 January 180,000 told to evacuated LA. 200,000 more told to be on standby. That's more than the population of Leicester. Trump blaming everyone left, right and centre. It's because California sent help to Ukraine he says. He's so in Vlad's pocket. 1
leicsmac Posted 10 January Posted 10 January 8 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: 180,000 told to evacuated LA. 200,000 more told to be on standby. That's more than the population of Leicester. Trump blaming everyone left, right and centre. It's because California sent help to Ukraine he says. He's so in Vlad's pocket. Well, yes. Blame the "other side". Blame China. And if those don't work, give a nod and a wink, say that "God" acts in "mysterious ways" and ask for "thoughts and prayers". Place the blame everywhere but where it really belongs - the very short term self interested ethos that people like Trump personify. The same ethos that disregards any measure that might make life better for the future or anyone else because it might disadvantage them, even slightly, in the present. Standard, really. 1
The Horse's Mouth Posted 10 January Posted 10 January 22 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Well, yes. Blame the "other side". Blame China. And if those don't work, give a nod and a wink, say that "God" acts in "mysterious ways" and ask for "thoughts and prayers". Place the blame everywhere but where it really belongs - the very short term self interested ethos that people like Trump personify. The same ethos that disregards any measure that might make life better for the future or anyone else because it might disadvantage them, even slightly, in the present. Standard, really. It’s suspected arson not the killer climate
leicsmac Posted 10 January Posted 10 January 2 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: It’s suspected arson not the killer climate And the reason for this particular act of arson (if indeed that is actually proven) growing into a stronger and more intense conflagration than has ever been witnessed is... bad luck, then?
The Horse's Mouth Posted 10 January Posted 10 January 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: And the reason for this particular act of arson (if indeed that is actually proven) growing into a stronger and more intense conflagration than has ever been witnessed is... bad luck, then? Isn’t it because some of the environmental policies actually make some of these areas more likely to cause bushfires? Or at least it could be preventable in terms of the severity if certain policies in there area were relaxed. Genuine question, you’re probably more clued up than me as I know you’re pretty obsessed with this particular issue.
leicsmac Posted 10 January Posted 10 January 1 minute ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Isn’t it because some of the environmental policies actually make some of these areas more likely to cause bushfires? Or at least it could be preventable in terms of the severity if certain policies in there area were relaxed. Genuine question, you’re probably more clued up than me as I know you’re pretty obsessed with this particular issue. The (apparent) lack of water for firefighting is a clear problem, as is resource distribution for that same firefighting. Not clearing areas for firebreaks may also be an issue. And yes, those are all policy decisions. But at the same time, the dry and windy conditions that have allowed this to spiral out of control are directly down to climate and need to be factored in as a matter of policy too. All other policies don't mean much otherwise. In any case, my original response was about the short term self interested thinking that Trump personifies having a part to play in this, and that's not just limited to Trump himself - or even his "side" of the aisle. But when he takes the reins again, all of this is going to be his responsibility if it goes sideways, as much as he would like to deflect. That's what having executive power means, and with that power comes responsibility. 1
surrifox Posted 10 January Posted 10 January 15 hours ago, orangecity23 said: No, you misheard. Sodall is who we are signing. So did you. “Sod ‘em” was Rudkins response to hearing that the fans think he’s a c**t 1
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