Popular Post Finnegan Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January 4 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Just checking - does anyone actually believe that musk did a nazi salute and knew that was what he was doing ?? I mean seriously ??? .... Yes, mate, the entire sane world. 10 2
grobyfox1990 Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Just now, leicsmac said: ... or have any knowledge at all of where such short sighted self interested social Darwinism applied wholesale (in business or otherwise), leads a species. The other side of the coin is understood perfectly - it's one where practically everyone loses. That statement is nowhere near holding any truth. If you want to get a rodeo themed bar with shotgun lanes, midget tossing and archery where the targets are bald-headed men off the ground, but are being stifled in regulation and costs, it doesn't mean you deny climate change.
leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January (edited) 8 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: That statement is nowhere near holding any truth. If you want to get a rodeo themed bar with shotgun lanes, midget tossing and archery where the targets are bald-headed men off the ground, but are being stifled in regulation and costs, it doesn't mean you deny climate change. In terms of outcomes, I fail to see the difference between ignorance of climate change (won't use the term "denial", you may as well "deny" gravity) and acceptance of it but then endorsing a government that does deny its effects and passes legislation to that effect. Is there a difference? Edit: climate change isn't the only bad likely outcome of such attitudes, either. Nationalist self interest increases chances of conflict and warfare even without resource pressures caused by that. Edited 21 January by leicsmac
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January 10 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: of course he didn't do a Nazi salute LOL Of course he did LOL? You've got to either be a fascist apologist or be Nigel's ostrich to think otherwise. Musk has been building up to this for years since diving in to American politics. He knows exactly what he's doing, he's signaling to these people that he's ready to step up and be their figure head when Trump is too infirm (or dead) to continue: He also knows it'll go down well with the gamergate crowd that he's recently been alienating, half of whom will think he's awesome because they too have a Nazi Germany fetish and the other half will think he's awesome because they'll see it as a act of hilarious trolling. He also knows the somewhat more moderate Trump voters will hand wave it away, as you are doing, as "it can't possibly be that because that would be nuts" as if 90% of what Trump and Musk have said over the last few years isn't absolutely batshit insane. There's actually a fantastic term trending today which pretty much sums that up, "sanewashing". This is peak Edgelord Elon. He's been gearing up for this for years. Of course it's a Nazi salute, of course he meant it, of course he knew what he was doing and of course he planned to do it before he went up there. This was Donald Trump's inauguration but Elon won him the election and whose face is plastered literally everywhere all over the world this morning, on every media and social media platform going? The real fun will begin when The Donald starts having to cope with the fact he's having to share his spotlight like never before. He's already chucked his first grenade, "Elon knows those computers." 6 2 1
grobyfox1990 Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: Of course he did LOL? You've got to either be a fascist apologist or be Nigel's ostrich to think otherwise. Musk has been building up to this for years since diving in to American politics. He knows exactly what he's doing, he's signaling to these people that he's ready to step up and be their figure head when Trump is too infirm (or dead) to continue: He also knows it'll go down well with the gamergate crowd that he's recently been alienating, half of whom will think he's awesome because they too have a Nazi Germany fetish and the other half will think he's awesome because they'll see it as a act of hilarious trolling. He also knows the somewhat more moderate Trump voters will hand wave it away, as you are doing, as "it can't possibly be that because that would be nuts" as if 90% of what Trump and Musk have said over the last few years isn't absolutely batshit insane. There's actually a fantastic term trending today which pretty much sums that up, "sanewashing". This is peak Edgelord Elon. He's been gearing up for this for years. Of course it's a Nazi salute, of course he meant it, of course he knew what he was doing and of course he planned to do it before he went up there. This was Donald Trump's inauguration but Elon won him the election and whose face is plastered literally everywhere all over the world this morning, on every media and social media platform going? The real fun will begin when The Donald starts having to cope with the fact he's having to share his spotlight like never before. He's already chucked his first grenade, "Elon knows those computers." I forgot about the term 'this is peak...' Your post is defo peak anxiety. Elon has some spare funny pills to help you calm down. They'll have fallen out within the year, the Don will have palmed off Big E, and you'll be posting 'everyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away, Elon was never fit to last the course'
grobyfox1990 Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 16 minutes ago, leicsmac said: In terms of outcomes, I fail to see the difference between ignorance of climate change (won't use the term "denial", you may as well "deny" gravity) and acceptance of it but then endorsing a government that does deny its effects and passes legislation to that effect. Is there a difference? Edit: climate change isn't the only bad likely outcome of such attitudes, either. Nationalist self interest increases chances of conflict and warfare even without resource pressures caused by that. Do you think those who want a wild west of business don't believe in climate change? Have you bought into every policy for every candidate you've ever voted for? We don't need lots of vague language to understand this was far from a one-policy election, and was never such.
Finnegan Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 4 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: I forgot about the term 'this is peak...' Your post is defo peak anxiety. Elon has some spare funny pills to help you calm down. They'll have fallen out within the year, the Don will have palmed off Big E, and you'll be posting 'everyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away, Elon was never fit to last the course' okay buddy. I think we understand each other.
Popular Post EnderbyFox Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January The salute was very shady but I can't forgive the jump tbh 10
leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 3 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: Do you think those who want a wild west of business don't believe in climate change? Have you bought into every policy for every candidate you've ever voted for? We don't need lots of vague language to understand this was far from a one-policy election, and was never such. I don't think it matters, as per above. I've bought into policies that I think, rightly I hope, that have the most importance in terms of actually saving lives and money long term, not short. It's self evident that this was far more than a one policy election and such long term issues were clearly far down the importance chain in the minds of many. Unfortunately that doesn't mean such appeal to popularity makes it right, it just means that people are willing to ignore pretty horrible consequences until they're right at their doorstep. I totally understand that as part of the human condition, but should the worst happen, I'm pretty sure that those who are left won't have such a kind and empathetic attitude towards those they perceive as culpable.
grobyfox1990 Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 6 minutes ago, leicsmac said: I don't think it matters, as per above. I've bought into policies that I think, rightly I hope, that have the most importance in terms of actually saving lives and money long term, not short. It's self evident that this was far more than a one policy election and such long term issues were clearly far down the importance chain in the minds of many. Unfortunately that doesn't mean such appeal to popularity makes it right, it just means that people are willing to ignore pretty horrible consequences until they're right at their doorstep. I totally understand that as part of the human condition, but should the worst happen, I'm pretty sure that those who are left won't have such a kind and empathetic attitude towards those they perceive as culpable. All my comms framed by the fact I agree with you, but there's so little point repeating yourself on a online football forum echo chamber, just like the 'game's gone mate honestly giving my ST up this year mate honestly non league honestly don't care about Leicester non-league mate fan experience mate honestly plastic pint at the ground non league mate game's gone' crowd. It makes no difference. There are an unlimited number of pathways to get people to understand your issues aside from repetition on Foxestalk. If you live in Leics, Richard Garner who runs the excellent people, plant, pint group is a good start.
ClaphamFox Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 56 minutes ago, Finnegan said: .... Yes, mate, the entire sane world. I've watched the clip several times and I don't think he meant it as a Nazi salute at all. It looked like an awkward gesture not untypical of somebody with autism, which Musk has. I'm not remotely a fan of Musk and I share people's despair at the prospect of a second Trump term, but I think the reaction to what was an awkward hand gesture from somebody with a social communication disorder has gotten a bit out of hand.
urban.spaceman Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 10 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: Not sure the headline writer read the article... UK CEO survey. More of a sad reflection on the instability in the world unfortunately than a great vote of confidence in the UK economy. That’s the spirit!
leicsmac Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 18 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: All my comms framed by the fact I agree with you, but there's so little point repeating yourself on a online football forum echo chamber, just like the 'game's gone mate honestly giving my ST up this year mate honestly non league honestly don't care about Leicester non-league mate fan experience mate honestly plastic pint at the ground non league mate game's gone' crowd. It makes no difference. There are an unlimited number of pathways to get people to understand your issues aside from repetition on Foxestalk. If you live in Leics, Richard Garner who runs the excellent people, plant, pint group is a good start. This is far from the only platform I engage upon, but yes, point taken. I'll have to look up Mr Garner, appreciate the pointer. 1
bovril Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 33 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: huge news day In the Hong Kong gig he's going to apologise for us handing them over to China. 3
bovril Posted 21 January Posted 21 January (edited) 11 hours ago, Wymsey said: Suppose he can't help it somewhat, if it is to do with his Aspergers and felt under pressure to do something in front of a crowd? He's not on the spectrum or a fascist, he's just part British. Sometimes this comes out at inappropriate moments Edited 21 January by bovril
Jattdogg Posted 21 January Posted 21 January Musk is a mega t w a t regardless of how the salute looked.
Torquay Gunner Posted 21 January Posted 21 January (edited) 1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said: I've watched the clip several times and I don't think he meant it as a Nazi salute at all. It looked like an awkward gesture not untypical of somebody with autism, which Musk has. I'm not remotely a fan of Musk and I share people's despair at the prospect of a second Trump term, but I think the reaction to what was an awkward hand gesture from somebody with a social communication disorder has gotten a bit out of hand. Yes it’s not like he has any far right views, or was brought up in Apartheid South Africa. That salute btw was quite emphatic, nothing ‘awkward’ about it. Edited 21 January by Torquay Gunner 4
Wymsey Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 29 minutes ago, bovril said: He's not on the spectrum or a fascist, he's just part British. Sometimes this comes out at inappropriate moments https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57045770
Bellend Sebastian Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 2 hours ago, Finnegan said: Twice. Does a second one cancel out the first? I've not been up with Nazi salute etiquette since I fell out with Unity Mitford when she didn't return the power tools I lent her
Bilo Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 2 hours ago, Finnegan said: .... Yes, mate, the entire sane world. 1
Popular Post Fox in the North Posted 21 January Popular Post Posted 21 January 32 minutes ago, Wymsey said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57045770 My sister has Asperger’s/borderline personality disorder, I can still tell her when she’s not behaving appropriately. Musk is obviously a clever guy. I’m pretty sure he would know how that gesture could be interpreted. He could have done anything daft (like he did at the Trump rallies), but he chose on a president’s inauguration to do a salute. He could have had his palm out wide to anybody but he had it straight as an arrow palm flat. I don’t know how that could be interpreted any differently. If it’s going to be a sensitivity issue then he shouldn’t be allowed near government. But naturally western democracies are a hot mess at the moment so the bar for low standards is near basement level. 8 1
Foxdiamond Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said: huge news day Imagine a German or Japanese artist feeling the need to apologise for something they had nothing to do with. 3
Thommo Posted 21 January Posted 21 January 2 hours ago, st albans fox said: Just checking - does anyone actually believe that musk did a nazi salute and knew that was what he was doing ?? I mean seriously ??? Why would he not know what he's doing....he's autistic not thick... off course he knows
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