Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[hejammy]

The old adage of "you can't polish a turd" comes to mind. We could have Pep managing us but with the players we have we'd still end up relegated. Vardy is all out of red bull, Daka is possibly the worst finisher I've seen in a Leicester shirt, our entire defense is diabolical at best. 

[StriderHiryu]

Just now, fox_favourite said:

Well said that man. I agree. My anger isn't at RVN, it's the board that let this happen in the summer. 

 

12-15m isn't getting you the quality we lack. We should have competed Ipswich for some of the best championship player. And why didn't we get a striker in the summer! £25m with good scouting could have found that quality. But cooper went for Skipp. 

 

Honestly we're a basket case, and I don't see it improving. 

Skipp isn't to blame for his price tag, but that signing will forever be as insane as it sounded at the time. A player at that price needs to be at least at the level of El Khannouss, IE in the first team every week and able to make a meaningful difference to the team. 20M on the bench for a defensive midfielder... it makes no sense.

 

I was thinking back to the great escape season and I can think of two summer signings that made a huge difference. Ulloa scored 11 goals, huge for a team trying to stay up, and Esteban Cambiasso needs no explanation. Even then we still really needed Huth to shore up the backline in the January window. The difference is these 3 were consistent too. Some players clearly have great futures in El Khannouss and Buonanotte, but they can't do it every week yet.

 

 

[fox_favourite]

Oh and to the "Cooper was better" he had a full coaching staff from the start of his choice. Ruud has brought in 2 and AFTER he signed. I since our new number 2 came in, it's helped massively. He looks very active in the dugout. 

 

Honestly people have short memories.

 

RVN has my backing, it's the tools he's been given are made of paper to carve wood

[GingerrrFox]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

For me he needs to be brave. He cannot rely on some of these players and he needs to take a strong stand like Enzo did.

 

I'd be telling 5-10 of them they are no longer have a future here and to find other clubs this month. 

 

We are all but down, time to build our team around Ben Nelson (when back fit), Alves, Monga and Evans.

There is definitely players who want gone, what is Faes doing play football for us when there is an agent driven media campaign to get him gone?

 

You’re right Ric, we need rid of a good number of these players and we need a fresh approach.

 

Hermansen

 

Coulibaly

Coady

Nelson

JJ

 

Winks

Soumare

 

Buonanotte

Bilal

Alves

 

Cannon

[winteriscoming]

I don’t see him being in charge next season whatever division we are in. I wouldn’t blame him the mess we are in. 
Imagine having that bench to pick from today. 
Actually I’d be surprised if he’s stays after this month. 

[AKCJ]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

For me he needs to be brave. He cannot rely on some of these players and he needs to take a strong stand like Enzo did.

 

I'd be telling 5-10 of them they no longer have a future here and to find other clubs this month. 

 

We are all but down, time to build our team around Ben Nelson (when back fit), Alves, Monga and Evans.

You really do need to pack this gimmick in mate  These lads are 15th in the PL2. On a par with clubs like Reading and Derby.

[fox_favourite]

1 minute ago, StriderHiryu said:

Skipp isn't to blame for his price tag, but that signing will forever be as insane as it sounded at the time. A player at that price needs to be at least at the level of El Khannouss, IE in the first team every week and able to make a meaningful difference to the team. 20M on the bench for a defensive midfielder... it makes no sense.

 

I was thinking back to the great escape season and I can think of two summer signings that made a huge difference. Ulloa scored 11 goals, huge for a team trying to stay up, and Esteban Cambiasso needs no explanation. Even then we still really needed Huth to shore up the backline in the January window. The difference is these 3 were consistent too. Some players clearly have great futures in El Khannouss and Buonanotte, but they can't do it every week yet.

 

 

Oh no I'm not blaming Skipp, it's the decision makers that put that money for Skipp when we could have got a good striker for that, or even less. 

 

But that isn't on Skipp, sorry if that wasn't clear. 

[em9999]

Can't keep playing vardy up front for nostalgic reasons and appreciation hes a absolute legend the goat

 

Need a new striker,  it's time the club started moving on from tbe past 

[Mendi]

Please resigned. He is taking the club down. No improved under him.

[ACF]

6 defeats in a row.

 

4 of them to Liverpool, Man City, Newcastle and Villa. Top 7 teams.

 

Wolves was absolutely a debacle.

 

We played well tonight, that wasn’t a fair scoreline. 21 shots, only four on target. 

[Bluearmyfox28]

9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

For me he needs to be brave. He cannot rely on some of these players and he needs to take a strong stand like Enzo did.

 

I'd be telling 5-10 of them they no longer have a future here and to find other clubs this month. 

 

We are all but down, time to build our team around Ben Nelson (when back fit), Alves, Monga and Evans.

Difference is Ric, Enzo had the whole summer to make that change and he still wanted to make further change in the January window. Ruud’s got 4 weeks. 
 

Enzo had more to spend in the championship than Ruud has got in the premier league and that’s ignoring how much more unsellable baggage Ruud has got due to Cooper’s recruitment.

 

Ultimately, I agree to a point with what you are saying but if we throw the towel in now, half way through the season can you imagine how much more of a joke of a club we would look? That has long term effects and makes you look like a joke club. 
 

Yes, we look down and out but this season for points and results has been strange and it’s not over yet.

[adam]

3 minutes ago, ACF said:

6 defeats in a row.

 

4 of them to Liverpool, Man City, Newcastle and Villa. Top 7 teams.

 

Wolves was absolutely a debacle.

 

We played well tonight, that wasn’t a fair scoreline. 21 shots, only four on target. 

We certainly didn't play well second half.

[Nolucklcfc]

9 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I don’t see him being in charge next season whatever division we are in. I wouldn’t blame him the mess we are in. 
Imagine having that bench to pick from today. 
Actually I’d be surprised if he’s stays after this month. 

I can see us going for dyche when we go down 

[Bluearmyfox28]

8 minutes ago, Mendi said:

Please resigned. He is taking the club down. No improved under him.

Are you on spice?

[funkyrobot]

RVN is paying the price for the utterly disgusting summer that we had prior to his arrival. The retrograde appointment of Cooper and the signings of bang average players like Skipp, BDCR, Okoli & Ayew who don’t improve the first team and are part of a bench with less ability than we had in The Championship are why we are in this position.

 

 

[winteriscoming]

1 minute ago, Nolucklcfc said:

I can see us going for dyche when we go down 

I can see Dyche turning us down. Imo Gary O’Neil or Danny Rohl is who we’ll get. 

[funkyrobot]

People seriously want Dycheball ffs??  

[coolhandfox]

46 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

We’re losing from individual errors, what can the manager do about that?  Facundo cost us when he tried to dribble out the box, fans still wanted him to play though, JJ had cost us, but who else you having, tonight vestegaard, Vardy not taking chances, what can the manager do about that?

Who making the most individual errors, probably JJ.

 

He's playing a system were we are 4-4-2 off the ball, and 3-2-4-1 when in possession. 

 

JJ is the player struggling the most, you are asking to play RB out of possession and RW in possession.

 

Even on his best day, JJ isn't tactical aware enough to play that role on that system.

 

Players making individual errors, simply what you are asking them to do.

 

We are ask a group of players who can't defend their way out of a paper bag to play and open expensive style, which leads to them making even more errors.

 

Make the simplify plan, simplify the requirements.

 

[Bluearmyfox28]

11 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Who making the most individual errors, probably JJ.

 

He's playing a system were we are 4-4-2 off the ball, and 3-2-4-1 when in possession. 

 

JJ is the player struggling the most, you are asking to play RB out of possession and RW in possession.

 

Even on his best day, JJ isn't tactical aware enough to play that role on that system.

 

Players making individual errors, simply what you are asking them to do.

 

We are ask a group of players who can't defend their way out of a paper bag to play and open expensive style, which leads to them making even more errors.

 

Make the simplify plan, simplify the requirements.

 

#WelcomeWoyo.

[The Horse's Mouth]

48 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Oh and to the "Cooper was better" he had a full coaching staff from the start of his choice. Ruud has brought in 2 and AFTER he signed. I since our new number 2 came in, it's helped massively. He looks very active in the dugout. 

 

Honestly people have short memories.

 

RVN has my backing, it's the tools he's been given are made of paper to carve wood

It’s helped massively with the massive 0 points we’ve accrued 

[foxesfan98]

Really feel for Ruud tonight. He picked the correct starting lineup and set the team up well to limit shots against us whilst still creating chances and we played some nice football. Unfortunately for him we just don't have any quality defenders and our only good striker is 38 and currently looks absolutely shot of confidence. Clearly we aren't planning to back him with money this window so not sure where we go from here. I just hope he sticks around in the Championship and oversees a complete overhaul of the squad to give us some hope for the future cos it's looking so bleak right now.

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

Ruud was dealt an even worse hand than Cooper. Comes into a struggling side mid-season with no time to prepare the team or bring in any players he may have wanted.

 

6 losses in a row in the league is terrible, but any manager is going to struggle from his starting point. This is not the squad from 2022, it is considerably worse. He's lost Ndidi and Hermansen since he took over, who statistically were the ones that matched or beat players from the top half of the table.

 

I see a clear idea of what he's trying to do, but our squad is so far off what other teams have, it's hard to be able to pull it off. That's where criticism might be fair, because he might be doing a Kompany from Burnley last season. But in tonight's game, we went to a more direct 352 after 60 minutes as a clear Plan B) but it didn't work either. When your options off the bench are Kasey McAteer, Jordan Ayew, Patson Daka and Bobby Reid, well it's not really that hard to see why we are struggling.

 

Overall I'm ambivalent. I think that regardless of who was in charge, we needed one or two of our summer signings to be difference makers. Some players look good, but I am talking about players that make the difference every week. Ipswich right now might have a chance to stay up, because one of their signings in Delap is a difference maker. Wolves have Cunha. Even Everton have Ndiaye who is probably better than any of our forward players. If Vardy took one of his chances in the first half, it's a totally different game, but given his age, it's apparent he's no longer able to be the difference maker.

 

So unless some of our players suddenly hit form, or some new signings of real quality come in, relegation is inevitable.

 

 

Simplify your tactics and formation, the poorer standard of player the more you have to simplify the process and the message.

 

One example: He's asking JJ a player clearly struggling for form to transition for RB out of possession to RW in possession. A player who struggling do the basics. A player who can't beat a man or play a final ball is being asked to be your main creative outlet of the right.

 

Sometimes your manager has to be the differences maker.

 

Modern managers are fixated with plan A, if plan A doesn't work, do it better, if it doesn't work again do it better again.

 

Sometimes you have to except plan A is crap.

Edited 16 January by coolhandfox

[coolhandfox]

6 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

#WelcomeWoyo.

He's going to have to be a mix of Cafu and Roberto Carlos to sort this out.

[Gubbins]

I said when Cooper was sacked that we'd need to appoint a pretty amazing manager to keep a team with these defenders up. Turns out RvN is not that that manager. It's hard to judge how good he is given our horrific squad but 6 defeats on the bounce doesn't look good and frankly who knows how high that number could reach? Can he survive if it reaches double figures? Can't look past or forgive the fact he decided to forego playing an actual goalkeeper in a relegation 6 pointer either. Ambivalent currently as to whether we keep him for the Championship next season.

[Bluearmyfox28]

For anyone thinking that we was better or the same under Cooper listen to Kristensen between 0:45 - 1.10 on the differences coming directly from a player. 
 

https://www.lcfc.com/pages/en/media-video/we-need-to-stick-together-says-kristiansen