Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Richmondfox]

No manager can save this team if they insist on playing the chuckle brothers at the back, Stevie Wonder in midfield and Dads Army attack force upfront. 
 

In the current team, Mads and Bilal are our only players with any value and talent.  Okoli and Woyo are the only ones with promise for the future. 
 

 

[cityfanlee23]

4 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I suspect you’re correct. What gives me that bit of hope is that somehow we are still less of a basket case than where he is now. But I’m sure he could get a better off if and when he wants to move on from Sheff Weds.

 

I doubt we’ll get anyone unless they are really unproven or are washed up and in it for the pay off. I’d rather go with the former which is why I have an eye on Wellens and the job he has been doing and would be likely to jump at the step up for the right reasons.

 

We know it’ll be Russell Martin though.

This is precisely it for me, I don’t think people realise how much of a circus Wednesday is, the owner is in the last year has told the fans they need to make the debt repayments because he isn’t putting a penny in, told them to find a new owner to buy him out, and told the fans to fund their own transfers 🤣 

 

If we go down, we wil still have a far superior squad to Wednesday, if he came now, he would be joining a prem club with a chance of staying up if we can get a bounce and fix the basics. I think Rohl would jump at that chance. 

[Muzzy_no7]

11 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

The guy who failed with much better players at Everton? Really, and a style worse than Coopers. Would be horrific. I’m not even sure in modern football dyche gets out of the Championship 

Do Everton have better players than us? 
 

DCL better than Vardy/Daka?

 

Doucoure better than Bilal or Facundo?

 

Garner and Gueye better than Ndidi, Winks, Soumare and Skipp? 
 

Mikalenko and Patterson/Coleman better than VK and Justin?

 

Yes I’ll give you Pickford and their CB’s. 

[Muzzy_no7]

14 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Agree apart from Dyche coming in. 

We need a complete rebuild much like Pearson did, twice. 
 

Dyche would be the man for that and he’s local. 
 

Comes with a lot of good staff too 

[winteriscoming]

2 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

We need a complete rebuild much like Pearson did, twice. 
 

Dyche would be the man for that and he’s local. 
 

Comes with a lot of good staff too 

Not for me. His anti football is from the dark ages. Hoof ball. 
I will keep banging the drum but for me I want us to get Urs Fischer. 
But we’ll end up with Gary O’Neil. 

[trooky]

18 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

The guy who failed with much better players at Everton? Really, and a style worse than Coopers. Would be horrific. I’m not even sure in modern football dyche gets out of the Championship 

Dyche isnt the answer, Moyes has shown Dyche up in 5 games with the same players. 

[The Doctor]

6 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

We need a complete rebuild much like Pearson did, twice. 
 

Dyche would be the man for that and he’s local. 
 

Comes with a lot of good staff too 

Dyche would be utter crap, come off it. if we're accepting relegation and rebuilding, get in a manager who isn't a relic, like Rohl, Wellens or Cifuentes at QPR

[LCFCJohn]

5 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Dyche would be utter crap, come off it. if we're accepting relegation and rebuilding, get in a manager who isn't a relic, like Rohl, Wellens or Cifuentes at QPR

Whey not just me on the Wellens hype 

[Tuna]

Worth looking at this thread for this board's opinion on Moyes in the summer:

 

 

[Posthorn54]

Considering his playing career he has NO tactical awareness whatsoever 

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

7 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Dyche would be utter crap, come off it. if we're accepting relegation and rebuilding, get in a manager who isn't a relic, like Rohl, Wellens or Cifuentes at QPR

Assuming you were in the same camp that thought Moyes was a relic, played anti football and as such didn't want him here?  Yet he has turned Everton who are missing 3 or 4 key players into a thoroughly decent and attractive team to watch picking up enough points already to keep them safe.

 

People need to look beyond the media reputation of a manager and look at their actual output. Dyche's style of football is direct, but not just boot it to the big bloke, he likes to get it forward and wide quickly to get crosses in, which to my mind is more entertaining than knocking it from 1 centre back to the next. Also the jobs he has done at Burnely (promoted twice, kept up for 5 seasons, 1 in Europe all on a tiny budget) and Everton (dragged them away from trouble, managed points deductions, again was keeping them up this year all again on a tiny budget) are credentials that not many who we could attract would have. 

 

The names mentioned there are just as much a gamble as Ruud has been, which has been an abject failure. All done decent enough jobs at a lower level but we would be taking a risk they could operate at a 'bigger' club (I'm aware Wednesday are a massive club just haven't been for a few decades.) We would also have to pay out compensation for them and all their staff, something we may not be able to afford to do.

 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

3 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Worth looking at this thread for this board's opinion on Moyes in the summer:

 

 

Just goes to show the fans are clueless. There were even some people who argued Cooper was the manager we needed!

 

I think you have got to stick with someone for a bit, build a culture etc. Despite to views of many I actually believe in the Championship RVN has the potential to build us into a good side, he knows who he’d keep and get rid off etc. If we sack him we pay him off, money gone, a new man comes in has to assess the squad, takes time, we’ve wasted squad money on sacking RVN, how long to you give a bloke ailing in the championship if we bring in someone new? We are going round in circles thinking a new manager is the solution as opposed to squad, structure and philosophy building which takes at least 6 months. I am personally seeing some good aspects amongst a very bad hand. Any new appointment under Rudkin is a whole new risk. 

[moore_94]

I would hope after 10-15 games of the system he has us playing clearly not working and not being suitable for the players we have that he would actually look to try and change it

 

Unfortunately I don't think he will

 

We will carry on as we are with the OAP front 3 and go down with a wimper

[The Doctor]

5 minutes ago, Hirsty The Blue 94 said:

Assuming you were in the same camp that thought Moyes was a relic, played anti football and as such didn't want him here?  Yet he has turned Everton who are missing 3 or 4 key players into a thoroughly decent and attractive team to watch picking up enough points already to keep them safe.

 

People need to look beyond the media reputation of a manager and look at their actual output. Dyche's style of football is direct, but not just boot it to the big bloke, he likes to get it forward and wide quickly to get crosses in, which to my mind is more entertaining than knocking it from 1 centre back to the next. Also the jobs he has done at Burnely (promoted twice, kept up for 5 seasons, 1 in Europe all on a tiny budget) and Everton (dragged them away from trouble, managed points deductions, again was keeping them up this year all again on a tiny budget) are credentials that not many who we could attract would have. 

 

The names mentioned there are just as much a gamble as Ruud has been, which has been an abject failure. All done decent enough jobs at a lower level but we would be taking a risk they could operate at a 'bigger' club (I'm aware Wednesday are a massive club just haven't been for a few decades.) We would also have to pay out compensation for them and all their staff, something we may not be able to afford to do.

 

 

my opinion on Moyes was that he wouldn't come here, that if he did management again it would be because Steve Clarke was sacked and he wanted to end his career in charge of his nation (a return to a club he's a legend at does at least make sense). Moyes is worlds ahead of Dyche, and Dyche would be crap given the squad we've built. Unless you're having a complete turn over this summer, give him a miss and even then I don't want to see us just smashing it at a target man which is his way.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

The defensive line has been changing gradually game on game. Against Arsenal it was very high.

 

I felt we played the offside trap very well in both games and deserved a draw in each. I would argue our defence has been a lot more organised in the last 2 games and that this has led to overall better games from us. 

I'd argue we simply look better organised at the back because Okoli has replaced Vestergaard and actually wants to defend. For clarity, I was on about 'in game' tactical tweaks. He doesn't respond to what's going on during the match. 

[South Shire Fox]

Lost 9 out of 10 games.. change the system ffs. We have no decent wingers so go 3 at the back with Woyo and VK as wing backs

Edited 16 February by South Shire Fox

[Muzzy_no7]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

Dyche isnt the answer, Moyes has shown Dyche up in 5 games with the same players. 

At the same time though you could say look at what Dyche did with a brexit Burnley taking them to Europe and successive top 10 finishes? 
 

Moyes failed spectacularly at Sunderland and United. 
 

We could handpick all day. 

[nettle]

I'm still struggling to understand how you can keep losing and play the same system and not change it, I find it quite baffling to be honest.

[JimmyC74]

If we were in the Championship then I could see Dyche getting us organised, disciplined and, ultimately promoted, but it would be another strange appointment - yo-yoing between building from the back and more pragmatic / direct style.

 

I very much doubt though Ruud starts pre-season regardless.

[Filbert Fireworks]

I'm amazed he hasn't been sacked its ridiculous. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

The last 2 managers have been totally and utterly inappropriate. 

 

Top needs to get his act together or sell up 

[Noahfence]

I’ve given up caring. I don’t think he’s a very good manager but the players at his disposal are terrible. Would be nice to see him maybe try something different for once. 
 

I don’t think we’ll win again this season 

[Dmitry]

The thing is...we would've done just as well with Rudkin (or his gardener, or his gardener's grandma) being the manager for the last dozen games as we have with RVN.  Maybe we would've done better, but certainly not worse. 

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

I would hope after 10-15 games of the system he has us playing clearly not working and not being suitable for the players we have that he would actually look to try and change it

 

Unfortunately I don't think he will

 

We will carry on as we are with the OAP front 3 and go down with a wimper

It’s simply insane that he hasn’t tried to find a way to get bilal and facundo in the same side.

 

Our hope really lies in him playing them both and them both being on form. 
 

Tbqh I’d even go as far as playing facundo as a false 9 

[Mike the Metal Ed]

If we hire Sean Dyche I hope it's before my ST renewal goes through