Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[robski]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Are you attempting some kind of record for the amount of hyberbole you can fit into one post?

 

Everything Clever Fox said is correct. It is undeniably true that RvN has had to work with a horribly-assembled squad that isn’t good enough for this division and into which he had zero input. The club did not back him in January. It is also true that RvN had had to work with key players absent through injury. And it is also true that there is more structure to the team and more coherent patterns of play under Ruud than under Cooper. We do seem to be more well drilled and have more of an identity now than we did earlier in the season, when we were reliant on periods of chaos to score goals and gain points.

 

However, nobody can deny that so far the results have not improved under Ruud. More structure has not yet brought us more points. And while he has taken steps to improve the defence by reintroducing Okoli, his persistence with Ayew and BDCR either side of Vardy in attack has been baffling given how poor we’ve been in attack. If he refuses to roll the dice and change things up in attack, we will go down with barely a whimper and it will not reflect well on him as a coach.

 

For me, the jury is still out on Ruud. He’s been given a crap hand to play with and he has made the team look better without actually delivering better results. I understand why people have serious doubts about him (particularly over the Ayew/BDCR thing), but I think it’s far too early to conclude that he’s a terrible manager who will plunge us into obscurity. I suspect the club sees it this way too and will give him the summer transfer window to start the rebuild – if of course he wants to stay.

This is a results business and I doubt RVN will get another win for the rest of the season and maybe the odd draw.

He is not a Premiership Manager or is there any evidence he should be a manager and has absolutely no experience.

A different appt after Cooper would have given us a chance of 4th from bottom but this clown is well out of his league and we are now relegated and will never return to the Premiership for years to come.

It’s all downhill now I’m afraid 

 

[ClaphamFox]

5 minutes ago, robski said:

This is a results business and I doubt RVN will get another win for the rest of the season and maybe the odd draw.

He is not a Premiership Manager or is there any evidence he should be a manager and has absolutely no experience.

A different appt after Cooper would have given us a chance of 4th from bottom but this clown is well out of his league and we are now relegated and will never return to the Premiership for years to come.

It’s all downhill now I’m afraid 

 

This is an emotional statement, not a rational one. We will almost certainly have one of the strongest squads in the Championship next season - likely stronger than either Burnley's or Sheffield Utd's this year, and they're both in contention for an immediate return. I agree relegation is depressing and it makes it worse that it was avoidable with better recruitment last summer, but this idea that we'll be thrown into an inexorable downward spiral if we go down isn't based in reality.

[Nolucklcfc]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

This is an emotional statement, not a rational one. We will almost certainly have one of the strongest squads in the Championship next season - likely stronger than either Burnley's or Sheffield Utd's this year, and they're both in contention for an immediate return. I agree relegation is depressing and it makes it worse that it was avoidable with better recruitment last summer, but this idea that we'll be thrown into an inexorable downward spiral if we go down isn't based in reality.

Depends on a few factors though. Mostly on whether the EFL do whack us or not. 

[robski]

3 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

This is an emotional statement, not a rational one. We will almost certainly have one of the strongest squads in the Championship next season - likely stronger than either Burnley's or Sheffield Utd's this year, and they're both in contention for an immediate return. I agree relegation is depressing and it makes it worse that it was avoidable with better recruitment last summer, but this idea that we'll be thrown into an inexorable downward spiral if we go down isn't based in reality.

I think it’s rational with RVN at the helm which is how I see it.

A strong squad is meaningless unless you have a Manager that can compete and win games and it won’t happen with him.

It depends on who replaces him and even then it’s a lottery to get out the Championship so I don’t see it ever happening in the next 5 - 10 years.

We had a better chance had Cooper remained but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I hope I’m wrong but all I can see is mid table mediocrity for the seasons ahead.

 

 

 

[Gubbins]

4 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

This is an emotional statement, not a rational one. We will almost certainly have one of the strongest squads in the Championship next season - likely stronger than either Burnley's or Sheffield Utd's this year, and they're both in contention for an immediate return. I agree relegation is depressing and it makes it worse that it was avoidable with better recruitment last summer, but this idea that we'll be thrown into an inexorable downward spiral if we go down isn't based in reality.

The sheer awfulness of the Championship means we probably will have one of the strongest squads and 'challenge', for the play offs at least, almost by default. But it will still be a squad that will be demoralised from a season of constant defeats in most of which we will not have laid a finger on the opponents and full of players that we can't shift and probably don't care or bizarrely think they're above the championship. Burnley and Sheff U also have proper, champ experienced managers as opposed to the clueless rookie we have. That's without even mentioning the league coming after us for psr nonsense. It's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that we finish outside the top 6.

[Foxin_Mad]

I think we need a manager to be given time to build something, it’s not an overnight thing to build a complete structure here. I still think this season from November is not a fair judgement of anyone. The squad is ill equipped no matter what formation or player, those are facts.

 

The positive is the players are playing for Rudd still, and I like the appointment of King who understands the club and is the building block for identity. I personally feel we need to stick with it and try and build something and hope if it’s a success the big clubs don’t come sniffing. A rebuild can’t happen overnight especially mid season. 

[winteriscoming]

1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think we need a manager to be given time to build something, it’s not an overnight thing to build a complete structure here. I still think this season from November is not a fair judgement of anyone. The squad is ill equipped no matter what formation or player, those are facts.

 

The positive is the players are playing for Rudd still, and I like the appointment of King who understands the club and is the building block for identity. I personally feel we need to stick with it and try and build something and hope if it’s a success the big clubs don’t come sniffing. A rebuild can’t happen overnight especially mid season. 

Dread to think if the players weren’t playing for Ruud. 9 defeats in 10 games. 

[Legend_in_blue]

Ruud cannot build anything until:

• Cooper's backroom staff have fully been replaced
• Ruud is allowed to bring his own staff in
• Ruud is able to bring in his own players to suit his system
• The damage of the summer transfer window is reversed and Cooper's shocking signings are binned

 

[Foxin_Mad]

1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

Dread to think if the players weren’t playing for Ruud. 9 defeats in 10 games. 

You could have Houdini in charge if this squad, they d still lose and the defenders still cant defend, Daka still can’t shoot, Mavividi still can’t beat his man. It’s like giving a chef a plastic saucepan, it’s impossible to polish this turd. We’re going down, we have been since the minute Cooper arrived here and we wasted what little money we did have on utter shite. 

[winteriscoming]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

You could have Houdini in charge if this squad, they d still lose and the defenders still cant defend, Daka still can’t shoot, Mavividi still can’t beat his man. It’s like giving a chef a plastic saucepan, it’s impossible to polish this turd. We’re going down, we have been since the minute Cooper arrived here and we wasted what little money we did have on utter shite. 

As I’ve said before doing the same thing week after week with the same formation and tactics and expecting something to change is baffling. At least try a different formation. 9 defeats in 10, 0 goals scored in 5 home league games but let’s persist with the dads army front 3. 
Could it be any worse trying something different? I doubt it. 
We’re past the stage where we’ve got nothing to lose. 

[pmcla26]

Stolarczyk 

 

Coulibaly 

Okoli 
Nelson 

Kristiansen

 

Skipp 

Winks 

 

Fatawu 

El Khannouss (hopefully, Alves if not) 

Mavididi 

 

Daka 

 

That team without any signings is good enough to be top 6 Championship. 
 

 

[StanSP]

11 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Stolarczyk 

 

Coulibaly 

Okoli 
Nelson 

Kristiansen

 

Skipp 

Winks 

 

Fatawu 

El Khannouss (hopefully, Alves if not) 

Mavididi 

 

Daka 

 

That team without any signings is good enough to be top 6 Championship. 
 

 

As good as it is, I don't think it's worth persisting with having the likes of Daka or Skipp/Winks in the squad. 

 

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

11 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Stolarczyk 

 

Coulibaly 

Okoli 
Nelson 

Kristiansen

 

Skipp 

Winks 

 

Fatawu 

El Khannouss (hopefully, Alves if not) 

Mavididi 

 

Daka 

 

That team without any signings is good enough to be top 6 Championship. 
 

 

There ain't a lot of goals in that team. 

 

Also, some clear and obvious absolute shite in it 

 

It looks more mid table Championship to me and the form we saw last time from about Feb to May 

[Chelmofox]

11 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Stolarczyk 

 

Coulibaly 

Okoli 
Nelson 

Kristiansen

 

Skipp 

Winks 

 

Fatawu 

El Khannouss (hopefully, Alves if not) 

Mavididi 

 

Daka 

 

That team without any signings is good enough to be top 6 Championship. 
 

 

I agree dumping winks and skipp. But that team also has some incredible academy talent to work with. 

[pmcla26]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

As good as it is, I don't think it's worth persisting with having the likes of Daka or Skipp/Winks in the squad. 

 

 

Yeah I agree would rather blood new through, but just going off of what we have. 

 

1 hour ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

There ain't a lot of goals in that team. 

 

Also, some clear and obvious absolute shite in it 

 

It looks more mid table Championship to me and the form we saw last time from about Feb to May 

Definitely would need to sign a striker, but Mavididi and Fatawu at Championship level will chip in from the wings. Could probably do with another goal threat from midfield, too. 
 

If you look at the teams in the Championship starting lineups it’s better than mid-table. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

3 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Yeah I agree would rather blood new through, but just going off of what we have. 

 

Definitely would need to sign a striker, but Mavididi and Fatawu at Championship level will chip in from the wings. Could probably do with another goal threat from midfield, too. 
 

If you look at the teams in the Championship starting lineups it’s better than mid-table. 

I'm not having a go but I think we've really over estimated our team over the last 3 years. 

 

We've really not brought the quality through or purchased sufficient quality to be considered even a top 6 Championship side based on our current squad. 

 

This team has shown to us time after time this se=quad is not good enough. 

 

We limped over the line in 2023 / 2024 and I'm not expecting great things from this squad when we go down - Obvious I know but we need a minimum 7 players to make us competitive i.e 2 new fall backs, ideally 2 new centre halfs, a midfield general, a new left winger, and a new striker 

 

The only areas we have quality is in goal and on the right wing IF Fatawu comes back with the same quality - Also possibly right back IF Ricky's the same player - Possibly Wilf can still do a job in midfield - The rest I'd have out 

 

[dmayne7]

16 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Stolarczyk 

 

Coulibaly 

Okoli 
Nelson 

Kristiansen

 

Skipp 

Winks 

 

Fatawu 

El Khannouss (hopefully, Alves if not) 

Mavididi 

 

Daka 

 

That team without any signings is good enough to be top 6 Championship. 
 

 

That team somehow looks better than what we're lining up with at the moment. Probably just because Nelson was getting rave reviews and it means there's no sign of those 2 jesters, and the massive difference Fatawu would make to our team. Agree that you'd need Daka to get firing but people who think a team that has those players in is mid table in terms of quality, are just being overly emotional to our current situation.

[dmayne7]

32 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

I'm not having a go but I think we've really over estimated our team over the last 3 years. 

 

We've really not brought the quality through or purchased sufficient quality to be considered even a top 6 Championship side based on our current squad. 

 

This team has shown to us time after time this se=quad is not good enough. 

 

We limped over the line in 2023 / 2024 and I'm not expecting great things from this squad when we go down - Obvious I know but we need a minimum 7 players to make us competitive i.e 2 new fall backs, ideally 2 new centre halfs, a midfield general, a new left winger, and a new striker 

 

The only areas we have quality is in goal and on the right wing IF Fatawu comes back with the same quality - Also possibly right back IF Ricky's the same player - Possibly Wilf can still do a job in midfield - The rest I'd have out 

 

I think you're conflating the quality with the mentality. This team doesn't have the players with the heads needed to grind out tough situations but if you look at that line up for the championship, you'd have plenty of internationals or guys around their international teams (Okoli) and by far the best 2 players in that league in BEK and Fatawu.

[Happy Fox]

These next two games are absolutely crucial for our survival hopes, we get 4 points from these games it would be very welcome. Fail to do so, and I think the board will sack him.

 

 

[Stevosevic]

2 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

These next two games are absolutely crucial for our survival hopes, we get 4 points from these games it would be very welcome. Fail to do so, and I think the board will sack him.

 

 

2 losses would make it 11 defeats from 12. Awful at any level.

 

Would be interesting to know what the board will do.

[ClaphamFox]

4 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

2 losses would make it 11 defeats from 12. Awful at any level.

 

Would be interesting to know what the board will do.

Two more losses would basically wipe out our very slim chance of survival. In that circumstance, there would be no real pressure on the club to act until the summer. I suspect they'd let RvN have it until then to see how he finishes the season before making a decision.

[SemperEadem]

I don't think the club sack him.

[winteriscoming]

10 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

I don't think the club sack him.

If they did sack him they wouldn’t have anyone lined up. We are so reactive instead of being proactive. 

[AjcW]

12 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

I don't think the club sack him.

Would be very unlike us to allow a manager to take us down though. Pearson was all but sacked until the change of heart... they got there eventually with Brendan... Surely keeping hold of Ruud would be quite a change in attitude? I guess the anomaly is he's already manager number 2 this season so that might change their thinking.

[coolhandfox]

19 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Ruud cannot build anything until:

• Cooper's backroom staff have fully been replaced
• Ruud is allowed to bring his own staff in
• Ruud is able to bring in his own players to suit his system
• The damage of the summer transfer window is reversed and Cooper's shocking signings are binned

 

Moyes has brought in 1 maybe 2 staff members to the existing Everton staff, and RVN has brought in Jelle ten Rouwelaar.

Moyes has bought in 1 player, RVN 1 player.

 

Just more excuses for a manager who is underperforming.