Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[filbertway]

5 minutes ago, Iwebema said:

I'm not the most well connected and wouldn't say I'm completely "in the know" but I have friends and family in the game and they repeatedly told me this at the start of the season.

When cooper got sacked, they have very good connections with forest and they said he was told the expectation is 10-12th and then push for Europe the following season. The delusion at the top is off the scale.

Expectations of mid table.

 

Proceeded to spend £35m on bench warmers and sign two players on the cusp of retirement on multiple year contracts

 

What a club!

[Skidmark]

6 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Player revolt I'm hearing. Not sure where that leaves Ruud.

 

(also, Netflix are Following Vards around this season for their documentary. What a shit season for it)

You heard the same about this being one of the big reasons about the dilly dallying on whether he'll stay on past next season or not? 

[kingfox]

39 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Dyche is probably the closest you’ll get to another Nigel. My only problem with him is that he’s friends with Rudkin and so the cycle continues. 

 

38 minutes ago, teblin said:

This is a question rather than me wanting him.

 

Could Dyche be that? He always comes across well I think. Set up Burnley to be a club that is top of Champ or surviving/nearly surviving in the prem. At Evorton he wasn't great, but if we'd have had him 2022/23 we'd have stayed up at the expense of them I think.

 

Issue there is I think fans might not like the forest connections again and the football will be dull. I'm not an advocate of Dyche, just asking the question.

The problem with Dyche is.

 

1) Style of football

2) Prefers experienced squads, Burnley & Everton always had one of the oldest squads in the division during his reigns

3) A 32 year old Michael Keane will probably be his first signing

 

Of the type of shit we’re in, could we probably do with a personality like him, I’d say yes. 
 

But him personally, not for me, too many negatives. 

[Paninistickers]

7 minutes ago, Iwebema said:

I'm not the most well connected and wouldn't say I'm completely "in the know" but I have friends and family in the game and they repeatedly told me this at the start of the season.

When cooper got sacked, they have very good connections with forest and they said he was told the expectation is 10-12th and then push for Europe the following season. The delusion at the top is off the scale.

I have heard differently. The guy (from.Derbyshire) who told me claims to know Cooper from coaching courses.

 

Cooper was explicitly told his brief was to keep us up at any cost. And that a points deduction was likely. Once the points deduction threat was lifted, the whole atmosphere at the exec level changed and they went cold on Cooper and moved the goalposts on the season's aim. 

 

He was (apparently) both surprised and upset at the sacking and felt it unfair in the extreme

 

 

 

 

[oxtonfox]

18 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

If he walks, they don’t have to pay him compensation I’m guessing? 
 

he would get 1% admiration back from me if so 

More likely to be a mutual agreement to part ways. He'll get thanked for his services and trouser the 2.5 year payment he probably had left on his contract. I hope there was a performance piece in the contract that doesn't entitle him to any bonus payment. 

[VG Fox]

8 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

So the players are revolting?

 

I wouldn't disagree with that.

agree they're absolutely honking never mind revolting

[Jattdogg]

Woke up thinking I'd be reading about him being gone. Continuing to fail me this season, at least that's consistency lol.

[Skidmark]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

I have heard differently. The guy (from.Derbyshire) who told me claims to know Cooper from coaching courses.

 

Cooper was explicitly told his brief was to keep us up at any cost. And that a points deduction was likely. Once the points deduction threat was lifted, the whole atmosphere at the exec level changed and they went cold on Cooper and moved the goalposts on the season's aim. 

 

He was (apparently) both surprised and upset at the sacking and felt it unfair in the extreme

 

This 

 

Felt for Cooper massively. He tried his best to endear himself to the fans, even speaking to local old boys who bleed blue. 

 

All his interviews tried to address to Forest connection pre-season and address this. He was also planning to run with Daka as the main striker this season over Vardy too and to build around his pace, but Daka got injured. 

[Paninistickers]

2 minutes ago, Skidmark said:

This 

 

Felt for Cooper massively. He tried his best to endear himself to the fans, even speaking to local old boys who bleed blue. 

 

All his interviews tried to address to Forest connection pre-season and address this. He was also planning to run with Daka as the main striker this season over Vardy too and to build around his pace, but Daka got injured. 

He did try to endear himself to fans and he was apparently treated like shit by the club if that account I was told is accurate..Agree with the Daka thing too.

 

However, his catastrophic request for BdcR, Ayew and Eduardo and totally bizarre decision to pick a fight with Ricardo (and in doing so lost the dressing room) .... basically he needs to look at himself too

[Iwebema]

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I have heard differently. The guy (from.Derbyshire) who told me claims to know Cooper from coaching courses.

 

Cooper was explicitly told his brief was to keep us up at any cost. And that a points deduction was likely. Once the points deduction threat was lifted, the whole atmosphere at the exec level changed and they went cold on Cooper and moved the goalposts on the season's aim. 

 

He was (apparently) both surprised and upset at the sacking and felt it unfair in the extreme

 

 

 

 

Yeah sorry that's an important point I missed off at the start, it was just stay up with all the points deductions looming 👍

 

I meant by the end of his tenure the expectations were comfortable mid table finish which is why he was removed quickly. 

 

Also think this mid table narrative was fuelled by some senior players with a direct line to Rudkin/Top.

[RoboFox]

Thinking Daka is a main striker at Premier League level 

 

Sackable offence in itself IMO.

[Skidmark]

3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

He did try to endear himself to fans and he was apparently treated like shit by the club if that account I was told is accurate..Agree with the Daka thing too.

 

However, his catastrophic request for BdcR, Ayew and Eduardo and totally bizarre decision to pick a fight with Ricardo (and in doing so lost the dressing room) .... basically he needs to look at himself too

His Ricardo decision was a strange one. What was even more bizarre was his decision to start Ricardo, (Can't remember which game) and he clearly was not match fit, had no clue what he was doing and was out of position constantly, leading to him being brought off.

 

The Eduardo and Reid signings were a matter of the club panicking that we needed bodies through the door. Reid was offered through agent channels to the club, and they thought he'd replace Albrighton in the capacity of being an experienced head with Prem experience on the wing. (Foolish really) 

[oxtonfox]

2 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Thinking Daka is a main striker at Premier League level 

 

Sackable offence in itself IMO.

Yep, Patson is doing an awful job of impersonating a footballer sadly. 

[VLC86]

2 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Thinking Daka is a striker  

 

Sackable offence in itself IMO.

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[Thebluefox85]

what are people talking about cooper like he was this amazing manager! He was sacked from forest for reason he wasn't good enough! its funny if he really is that good of a manager why hasnt he got another job? this guy dropped £25m on Oliver Skipp just let that sink in! stopped being blinded with how crap of a job Ruud is doing and thinking that cooper was better he really wasn't!

[Skidmark]

4 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Thinking Daka is a main striker at Premier League level 

 

Sackable offence in itself IMO.

He viewed Daka as the better option to a tired looking, past it, legs going Vardy. What surprised me is that Cannon didn't get a look in. 

 

Out of the pair of them, I'd have to agree with Cooper. 

[Iwebema]

1 minute ago, Thebluefox85 said:

what are people talking about cooper like he was this amazing manager! He was sacked from forest for reason he wasn't good enough! its funny if he really is that good of a manager why hasnt he got another job? this guy dropped £25m on Oliver Skipp just let that sink in! stopped being blinded with how crap of a job Ruud is doing and thinking that cooper was better he really wasn't!

I agree, he was a poor manager and the wrong appointment. 

 

This was more a focus on the delusion at board level, to expect a comfortable mid table finish, despite the poor transfers and the bizarre managerial appointments. 

 

I think the only sympathy people are highlighting is at least he had realistic expectations for the capability of this group. Even though he had a role in assembling it.

 

That said, you only have to look at the turn around Everton and Wolves had with a competent manager to know relegation, even with this group was not a foregone conclusion. The board just got it all totally wrong again.

[5waller5]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

 

 

let’s say that his exit on relegation will bring him a reduced payout of £500k. If we sack him before relegation then we’re obliged to pay him a years salary of 2.5m.   So his people and our people will be discussing a middle ground. The closer we get to relegation the bigger his risk becomes that we just sit out the final week or two and save the money. 

KP should get Bet365 to negotiate for them, their cash outs are terrible!!! 

[Leicester_Loyal]

3 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Our worst ever manager? Anyone think of anyone else who might take it? 

 

The amount of goals we've conceded is disgusting. I can't believe that, 43 goals in 18 games.

[Les-TA-Jon]

Multiple things can be true at once:

• Cooper was an 'OK' appointment given lack of funds, impending deduction, unattractive job to other potential candidates
• The recruitment (both with the club's and Cooper's influence) was awful - no other PL club would have made the signings we made and they did virtually nothing to address the weaknesses and imbalance of the squad
• Cooper was an ill fit for the Maresca influenced squad; Cooper did not help himself with dropping some of his best players (Fatawu, Ricardo) 
• We were going down with Cooper, despite his pragmatism making us slightly solid; it was correct to sack him
• The following recruitment process began from a standing start (again!) and could only muster a very risky appointment in RVN
• RVN has of course turned out to be woefully underqualified

[TheGoldenGod]

Look at the points Wolves have accrued btw. Their squad is better than ours and we wouldn't have caught them with Cooper or Ruud so irrelevant really.

[Finnegan]

21 minutes ago, kingfox said:

 

The problem with Dyche is.

 

1) Style of football

2) Prefers experienced squads, Burnley & Everton always had one of the oldest squads in the division during his reigns

3) A 32 year old Michael Keane will probably be his first signing

 

Of the type of shit we’re in, could we probably do with a personality like him, I’d say yes. 
 

But him personally, not for me, too many negatives. 

 

I think it's a myth you need a manager to have a specific personality and it's an even bigger myth that Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche are alike. 

 

In fact, I'd say that's really offensive to Nige and is exactly the sort of prejudice he's had levelled at him most of his career. He's got a military haircut and he's an English former centre back with no dress sense so everyone just assumes he's a thug. There's this perception of him that he's this stone age knuckle dragger.

 

He's an extremely intelligent, progressive, articulate guy that's calmly spoken and pretty thoughtful. He significantly modernised the club during his time here. 

 

The guy likes reading and walking in the mountains, he's not exactly the quintessential British Lad is he. 

 

It's not about his personality, it's about the personality of the players he targeted to sign. It's about the personality traits he looked for and valued in others. 

 

Pearson and Walsh actively targeted leaders, hard workers, grafters. They cleansed the squad of personalities they thought didn't fit and then they went about only signing players that did. They cultivated a culture here of work rate, determination and togetherness over anything else. 

 

You don't need to be Sean Dyche to do that. In fact, I'd argue you don't even need to be the head coach to do that. I'd previously rolled my eyes at people suggesting they'd love Nigel back as a DOF but he'd actually do a pretty good job in that role because his short comings probably are his tactical approach and his handling of the match day. But actually building the club and the squad along with someone like Walsh as head of recruitment would probably be something he'd be great at. 

 

TLDR: The squad needs a huge overhaul in personality but that doesn't mean you need a Dyche or a Warnock to do it, just someone that understands building a culture and signing people with the right attitude. 

 

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, SecretPro said:

Hearing things.

Dial 111 or 999 if it’s an emergency. X

[Richmondfox]

28 minutes ago, Skidmark said:

This 

 

Felt for Cooper massively. He tried his best to endear himself to the fans, even speaking to local old boys who bleed blue. 

 

All his interviews tried to address to Forest connection pre-season and address this. He was also planning to run with Daka as the main striker this season over Vardy too and to build around his pace, but Daka got injured. 

I never warmed to him, I couldn’t care less about the Forest connection more so that he was an excuse maker in all his interviews.

 

I watched his pre season playing players out of position and freezing some out, lack of tactics and improvement with the players which then rolled into the season.

 

I can’t believe that the people who scouted the potential of Bilal thought buying Ayew, Skipp and offering anything more than a 1 year deal for Reid was a good idea. 

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

I think it's a myth you need a manager to have a specific personality and it's an even bigger myth that Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche are alike. 

 

In fact, I'd say that's really offensive to Nige and is exactly the sort of prejudice he's had levelled at him most of his career. He's got a military haircut and he's an English former centre back with no dress sense so everyone just assumes he's a thug. There's this perception of him that he's this stone age knuckle dragger.

 

He's an extremely intelligent, progressive, articulate guy that's calmly spoken and pretty thoughtful. He significantly modernised the club during his time here. 

 

The guy likes reading and walking in the mountains, he's not exactly the quintessential British Lad is he. 

 

It's not about his personality, it's about the personality of the players he targeted to sign. It's about the personality traits he looked for and valued in others. 

 

Pearson and Walsh actively targeted leaders, hard workers, grafters. They cleansed the squad of personalities they thought didn't fit and then they went about only signing players that did. They cultivated a culture here of work rate, determination and togetherness over anything else. 

 

You don't need to be Sean Dyche to do that. In fact, I'd argue you don't even need to be the head coach to do that. I'd previously rolled my eyes at people suggesting they'd love Nigel back as a DOF but he'd actually do a pretty good job in that role because his short comings probably are his tactical approach and his handling of the match day. But actually building the club and the squad along with someone like Walsh as head of recruitment would probably be something he'd be great at. 

 

TLDR: The squad needs a huge overhaul in personality but that doesn't mean you need a Dyche or a Warnock to do it, just someone that understands building a culture and signing people with the right attitude. 

 

Nail on head.

 

Pearson introduced incredibly progressive ideas in sports science, uncannily good scouting and psychology. Without these, I doubt we'd have gotten promoted and stayed up - never mind won the Premier League under Ranieri who, crucially, changed little that following season. Vardy, Mahrez and Kante (non-league striker, skinny midtable Ligue 2 player and unknown 5' 5" CDM respectively) were all Walsh finds and the first two were nurtured to become what they did by Pearson. In all three divisions, and with wildly differing levels of ability, every player knew their job and we were organised from GK to ST. Crucially, especially in his second spell, he got the toxic influences out and ensured that the personalities were right.

 

In the 14-15 season, personality was critical. Even when we looked out of our depth, you couldn't fault the effort. We also had some absolutely rotten luck that season; I lost count of the number of opposition fans who couldn't work out why we were bottom. Now they can't work out how we aren't.