Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Matt]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

We'll never know if we would have been in a better position if we kept Cooper, but one thing is for certain. 

 

Cooper's summer transfer window has well and truly ****ed us this season. 

 

So based on that evidence I think we're ****ed whoever is in charge. 

 

Also you've conveniently forgotten that Ruud has been without Ndidi, Fatawu and Ricky for all our games and Mads the vast majority.

Albeit by his own choice Cooper was without (chose not to play) Fatawu and Ricardo.

 

When he did start playing Fatawu people bleated on about “having nothing of the bench”, the bloke couldn’t do right for doing wrong. Further to that imo Fatawu offered more and did more off the bench than when he was finally started.

 

As for the Mads injury, people perma-predicted hammerings every week under Cooper, luck or not scorelines say we didn’t get a hammering. Since his departure we’ve had 4 hammerings, Mads has been in goal for 2.5 of them.

 

I really feel I need to stress I’m not sticking up for Cooper, my attitude remains the same about RVN as it did with Cooper - what’s the point in getting rid while the club is in its current state, I am however just pointing out the indifferences in attitudes.

[Tommy G]

14 minutes ago, Matt said:

Albeit by his own choice Cooper was without (chose not to play) Fatawu and Ricardo.

 

When he did start playing Fatawu people bleated on about “having nothing of the bench”, the bloke couldn’t do right for doing wrong. Further to that imo Fatawu offered more and did more off the bench than when he was finally started.

 

As for the Mads injury, people perma-predicted hammerings every week under Cooper, luck or not scorelines say we didn’t get a hammering. Since his departure we’ve had 4 hammerings, Mads has been in goal for 2.5 of them.

 

I really feel I need to stress I’m not sticking up for Cooper, my attitude remains the same about RVN as it did with Cooper - what’s the point in getting rid while the club is in its current state, I am however just pointing out the indifferences in attitudes.

Unpopular but I think under Cooper we would have more points than we have now had he remained in charge, with a much better GD

[Graceroad]

30 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Unpopular but I think under Cooper we would have more points than we have now had he remained in charge, with a much better GD

Totally agree Vestergaard wouldn't  be in the side if Cooper was still here that's for sure

[trooky]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Albeit by his own choice Cooper was without (chose not to play) Fatawu and Ricardo.

 

When he did start playing Fatawu people bleated on about “having nothing of the bench”, the bloke couldn’t do right for doing wrong. Further to that imo Fatawu offered more and did more off the bench than when he was finally started.

 

As for the Mads injury, people perma-predicted hammerings every week under Cooper, luck or not scorelines say we didn’t get a hammering. Since his departure we’ve had 4 hammerings, Mads has been in goal for 2.5 of them.

 

I really feel I need to stress I’m not sticking up for Cooper, my attitude remains the same about RVN as it did with Cooper - what’s the point in getting rid while the club is in its current state, I am however just pointing out the indifferences in attitudes.

I'm not sticking up for Ruud either, the club is in disarray. It's horrific how the season has panned out. 

 

I can't wait for it to be over. I would personally stick with Ruud if he doesn't walk and give him next season in the championship to turn it around, we beat QPR in the cup. 

 

Hopefully we don't have a transfer embargo and he can ship out these spineless bastards that wear our shirt. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 February by trooky

[Fox92]

58 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Unpopular but I think under Cooper we would have more points than we have now had he remained in charge, with a much better GD

Agreed. Cooper was limited but I feel more equipped to get the best out of a poor squad. We didn't drop points against relegation rivals under him, but we just lose to them same rivals now.

[TheGoldenGod]

I've got to be honest, he's certainly not been what I thought he would be but I think he's a manager who works well with big characters and top talent more than the dross we've got currently. He needs to improve with in game-management and match set up but lets not pretend he's hasn't been hung out to dry. We've sp*nked all our money this season for a manager that wasn't the right fit, had a poor talent ID and the players booted out 11 games in.

 

For what it's worth, unless Top has completely burnt the bridges with Ruud and he doesn't trust his higher-ups anymore, I'd keep him for this style in the Championship. Can't think of much worse than having a horrid PL season like Burnley and then watching Scott Parker ball for 46 games.

Edited 4 February by TheGoldenGod

[dayday]

Without scrolling through pages trying to find out, does the manager have any input in the signings, if not then Rudkin should have been sacked years ago 

[ClaphamFox]

7 minutes ago, dayday said:

Without scrolling through pages trying to find out, does the manager have any input in the signings, if not then Rudkin should have been sacked years ago 

I suspect we allow managers a large say in signings, hence the sudden and ill-advised shift in transfer strategy when Cooper joined. 

[Filbert Fireworks]

I dont think the transfer window was that bad given our circumstances at the time. A points deduction and defacto relegation looked nailed on. 

Bilal has been an absolute gem of a find. 

Facundo a good loan untill Relegation van fraud ruined him. 

BDR Ayew proven prem players. Both regulars at their respective clubs. 

Skipp we paid too much for sure. 

Okoli needs more game time. 

All better than championship and at least prem squad players. 

Who realistically wants to come to a team with a points deduction, likely to be scraping the bottom of the league and no european football. 

 

Cooper was ugly football but I'm going to say it...... a much better fit for what we needed. 

RVN was a great player he is definately not a great manager he's way below prem standard. Incapable of changing tactics in game as evidenced by the horrendous high line, same formation, same play out from the back. Poor subs. Keeps picking bombscare Faes, keeps playing two CBs. He is so limited. Literally pulling my hair out as to how anyone watching the last 8 games can think he isn't at fault. 

 

We need a new manager urgently and we can stay up. 

 

Those players didn't need to be 3-0 down against everton at half time but they were because Relegation van noidea forced them to play a high line yet again and didn't nt change it after 1,2,3,4 goals. 

 

Edited 4 February by Filbert Fireworks

[Matt]

36 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Agreed. Cooper was limited but I feel more equipped to get the best out of a poor squad. We didn't drop points against relegation rivals under him, but we just lose to them same rivals now.

But atleast we can hide behind the facade that we “played well against Man City and Liverpool.” 

 
Yippee.

[Tommy G]

15 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

I've got to be honest, he's certainly not been what I thought he would be but I think he's a manager who works well with big characters and top talent more than the dross we've got currently. He needs to improve with in game-management and match set up but lets not pretend he's hasn't been hung out to dry. We've sp*nked all our money this season for a manager that wasn't the right fit, had a poor talent ID and the players booted out 11 games in.

 

For what it's worth, unless Top has completely burnt the bridges with Ruud and he doesn't trust his higher-ups anymore, I'd keep him for this style in the Championship. Can't think of much worse than having a horrid PL season like Burnley and then watching Scott Parker ball for 46 games.

What style? Getting spanked, horrific defending, playing the same players week in week out despite being out of form, not changing personnel during games or changing the wrong personnel to a point his substitutions get boo's. 

 

It wont be a walk in the park like last season

[splinterdream]

I was a ruud in, but with some time considering what happened Saturday and how he set up the team, listening to some decent analysis on some podcasts, I think Ruud was as big a mistake as Cooper.

He certainly wasn't my choice, I wanted to see if we could tempt Rafa to give us a couple of years, but think tactically Ruud hasn't got a clue, and it's showing badly. 

The high line with slow defenders, no subs at half time, we look under prepared and still without a strategy. Hope he walks for the clubs sake.

[CrazyKopCorner]

Is he really going to Old Trafford as manager of this bunch of total inadequates and watch them get absolutely pumped? I didn't think his huge ego would allow it 

 

I thought he might have walked by now after the last 9 games and the transfer window debacle 

[TheGoldenGod]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

What style? Getting spanked, horrific defending, playing the same players week in week out despite being out of form, not changing personnel during games or changing the wrong personnel to a point his substitutions get boo's. 

 

It wont be a walk in the park like last season

I think you know what I mean, a style he probably wants to play. He's obviously got a weak squad for the league we're in and at times I think you'd have to admit it's looked good. Thinking the Man City game specifically.

QPR was another good example of dismantling a team who'd been on a good run of form up until that point.

 

We can both agree Maresca's style is distinct but I highly doubt you'd have seen a sustained spell of it in many games in the PL with this squad.

Edited 4 February by TheGoldenGod

[Dmitry]

If he gets really pummeled by his old club this Friday, he should be sacked the same day.  There are no ifs, ands or buts about it: he's got to go if he can't manage. The two idiots in charge should find a real manager and STFU. 

[tickler28]

Wishful thinking that Ruud would walk. He's just as complicit as the rest of them in this mess....why should he walk and not wait for his pay off....I know what I would do in his position 

[coolhandfox]

If you aren't changing the players you need to change the manager.

 

Everton have won 1 in 12, bring in Moyes who has a squad riddle with injuries.

 

3 win based on organisation and desire.

Edited 4 February by coolhandfox

[JimmyC74]

8 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

If you aren't changing the players you need to change the manager.

 

 

I think that is where we will get to before very long. Giving new manager a chance to review squad before close season and decide on who to bin (lots) and who to keep (not many).

Edited 4 February by JimmyC74

[Seventyseven]

9 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

If you aren't changing the players you need to change the manager.

 

Everton have won 1 in 12, bring in Moyes who has a squad riddle with injuries.

 

3 win based on organisation and desire.

We’ve already tried that.

 

The Everton players are quite a bit better than ours. 

[MonarchFox]

9 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

If you aren't changing the players you need to change the manager.

 

Everton have won 1 in 12, bring in Moyes who has a squad riddle with injuries.

 

3 win based on organisation and desire.

And hardly any fans on here wanted Moyes 

[Blue-fox]

16 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

If you aren't changing the players you need to change the manager.

 

Everton have won 1 in 12, bring in Moyes who has a squad riddle with injuries.

 

3 win based on organisation and desire.

I would question a few of our players desires. 

[ClaphamFox]

10 minutes ago, Seventyseven said:

We’ve already tried that.

 

The Everton players are quite a bit better than ours. 

It’s weird. Ordinarily if we were two points from safety with 14 games to go, we’d still have some hope and would likely be demanding a managerial change to get us out of the mess. There would be an expectation that the club would do something to try to ensure survival. Instead, most of us are resigned to relegation - there’s no sense that the club will do anything, or even that anything can be done with this squad. We’re just waiting to go down, which feels odd given that survival would usually be regarded as very possible from our position. Strange times.

 

Edited 4 February by ClaphamFox

[jv1]

5 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Unpopular but I think under Cooper we would have more points than we have now had he remained in charge, with a much better GD

Not unpopular as far as I am concerned - you are absolutely correct - for all the crap performances under cooper apart from the Man Utd games we were pretty much in all the games deep in the second half - it wasn’t pretty but it at least kept us in games and gave us half a chance of picking up points - since this absolute charlatan has taken over we have been absolutely horrendous in nearly every way - pathetic fraud of a manager who doesn’t even have any back room staff - if it didn’t make you cry it would be comical just how pathetic our club has become - buck stops with the chairman and board - ruud should have been gone last month and now we’ve gone through a whole month of transfer window and not got rid of him or signed anyone - like seriously who can believe we haven’t strengthened this absolute dross squad - quite frankly we deserve to go down - from top to bottom - everything about this club at the minute apart from the fans is 100% rotten - it only ends one way - mid table championship obscurity for the next 5 years - to many wrong decisions for far to long - it always catches up with you 

Edited 4 February by jv1

[JimmyC74]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

It’s weird. Ordinarily if we were two points from safety with 14 games to go, we’d still have some hope and would likely be demanding a managerial change to get us out of the mess. There would be an expectation that the club would do something to try to ensure survival. Instead, most of us are resigned to relegation - there’s no sense that the club will do anything, or even that anything can be done with this squad. We’re just waiting to go down, which feels odd given that survival would usually be regarded as very possible from our position. Strange times.

 

There is no faith in this group of highly paid individuals that they come together, show some fight and grind out a result, let alone a run of results.  You get the odd surprise likes Spurs away and then they revert back to the norm.

[RYM]

Unsure if the two are related