Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Foxin_Mad]

1 hour ago, pmcla26 said:

I’m confused as to why some people are all for Rohl and totally against Martin when one has a promotion from the Championship on their CV and the other one doesn’t. 

Mainly because Martin has proven to be a complete failure in the Prem worst Ppg than Rudd, so really it’s kind of a pointless exercise to replace a manager under contract with someone who has a worse record in the division you want to go to. This includes him having Preseason, Windows, backroom tea which Rudd didn’t 

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, pmcla26 said:

I’m confused as to why some people are all for Rohl and totally against Martin when one has a promotion from the Championship on their CV and the other one doesn’t. 

People prefer an unknown quantity. It was the same with RVN, who was actually a reasonably popular choice at the time. 
 

Martin got a team promoted from the Championship last season, but because he failed in the Premier League (I'd argue almost any manager would with these 3 promoted teams) someone who hasn't yet managed in the Premier League OR got a team promoted, is favoured by many. It doesn't make much sense, but as with Maresca, it can sometimes pay off, and as with RVN, it sometimes absolutely doesn't.

Personally, I think both Martin and Dyche would likely get us promoted, but I don't know that Rohl would. However, Martin and Dyche come at a longer-term cost, which is demonstrable with Southampton and Burnley/Everton. 

[Old Fox]

1 hour ago, STUHILL said:

People prefer an unknown quantity. It was the same with RVN, who was actually a reasonably popular choice at the time. 
 

Martin got a team promoted from the Championship last season, but because he failed in the Premier League (I'd argue almost any manager would with these 3 promoted teams) someone who hasn't yet managed in the Premier League OR got a team promoted, is favoured by many. It doesn't make much sense, but as with Maresca, it can sometimes pay off, and as with RVN, it sometimes absolutely doesn't.

Personally, I think both Martin and Dyche would likely get us promoted, but I don't know that Rohl would. However, Martin and Dyche come at a longer-term cost, which is demonstrable with Southampton and Burnley/Everton. 

I am not sure what the issue with Dyche was at Burnley or Everton other than keep them up ?

 

Granted Moyes has done better this season but I would argue he is one of the best in the business !

 

Dyche should be in the running and if we want someone to get a team up and devise a way to stay up no matter how attractive then Dyche should be in the running as he is way better than Brussell or Rohl imo 

[CosbehFox]

I’m not convinced Martin’s season with Southampton is actually that good 

[STUHILL]

5 minutes ago, Old Fox said:

I am not sure what the issue with Dyche was at Burnley or Everton other than keep them up ?

 

Granted Moyes has done better this season but I would argue he is one of the best in the business !

 

Dyche should be in the running and if we want someone to get a team up and devise a way to stay up no matter how attractive then Dyche should be in the running as he is way better than Brussell or Rohl imo 

I actually agree. I meant in terms of style of play and the negative reaction that causes amongst a large number of fans. 

Out of anyone mentioned, Dyche is the one that has the best track record for promotion and keeping a club in the Premier League (mostly)

 

I do think it is more difficult now to get promoted and stay up though, so do we want to attempt it the Dyche way OR take a chance on an unknown. 

Martin is somewhere in between those two, as although he failed at Southampton in the Premier League, that doesn't guarantee he would again and there is still an unknown of whether he could get it right next time with a different squad and changes. I actually think Southampton, like Ipswich and Leicester, were just woefully unprepared to overcome that ever increasing gap in quality to even teams like Wolves, Bournemouth, Everton etc. Martin is absolutely wedded to his ethos, but that doesn't mean he hasn't also learned lessons from his time in the Premier League. 

Personally, I'd prefer to go with someone who has been there and done it in terms of promotion, because the cost financially to not get promoted within 1-2 Seasons, could set us back years. But, I also understand the excitement of the more unknown options and hoping we can have both, a promotion and a style and flexibility from a Manager, that fans enjoy and buy into. 
 

[studentofthegame]

3 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

I’m confused as to why some people are all for Rohl and totally against Martin when one has a promotion from the Championship on their CV and the other one doesn’t. 

It's about expectations. You can't compare who finished higher because they have managed in different situations.

 

Rohl took over a Sheffield Wednesday team on course for not only relegation, but the second worst start in Championship history. They had 3 points from 11 games and had only scored 5 goals. 

 

With that exact same team Rohl picked up 50 points in 35 games. 

0.33 ppg before him, 1.43 ppg after

0.45 gpg before him, 1.11 gpg after

1.64 conceded per game before him, 1.43 after

They ended up avoiding relegation and finishing 20th.

This season he took them up to 12th.

 

Russell Martin finished 4th with a Southampton team that were expecting to challenge for the title or minimum top 2. He then was on course for the worst ever Premier League season.

 

Rohl took over in a bad situation and made things better. Martin had a good situation and underperformed.

[CosbehFox]

Look at this season in the Championship how the relegated 3 dominated it. Somehow Martin didn’t achieve that with his season at Southampton 

[AjcW]

8 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Look at this season in the Championship how the relegated 3 dominated it. Somehow Martin didn’t achieve that with his season at Southampton 

Yes I for one really enjoyed Luton dominating and finishing 22nd 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, AjcW said:

Yes I for one really enjoyed Luton dominating and finishing 22nd 

Damn bollocks 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brain slipped with Leeds 

Edited 22 May 2025 by CosbehFox

[pmcla26]

19 minutes ago, studentofthegame said:

It's about expectations. You can't compare who finished higher because they have managed in different situations.

 

Rohl took over a Sheffield Wednesday team on course for not only relegation, but the second worst start in Championship history. They had 3 points from 11 games and had only scored 5 goals. 

 

With that exact same team Rohl picked up 50 points in 35 games. 

0.33 ppg before him, 1.43 ppg after

0.45 gpg before him, 1.11 gpg after

1.64 conceded per game before him, 1.43 after

They ended up avoiding relegation and finishing 20th.

This season he took them up to 12th.

 

Russell Martin finished 4th with a Southampton team that were expecting to challenge for the title or minimum top 2. He then was on course for the worst ever Premier League season.

 

Rohl took over in a bad situation and made things better. Martin had a good situation and underperformed.

I don’t disagree with expectations it’s more just you’d expect Martin to be better equipped to guide a side back up when he’s already been there and done it. 

[HoustonFox]

4 hours ago, studentofthegame said:

It's about expectations. You can't compare who finished higher because they have managed in different situations.

 

Rohl took over a Sheffield Wednesday team on course for not only relegation, but the second worst start in Championship history. They had 3 points from 11 games and had only scored 5 goals. 

 

With that exact same team Rohl picked up 50 points in 35 games. 

0.33 ppg before him, 1.43 ppg after

0.45 gpg before him, 1.11 gpg after

1.64 conceded per game before him, 1.43 after

They ended up avoiding relegation and finishing 20th.

This season he took them up to 12th.

 

Russell Martin finished 4th with a Southampton team that were expecting to challenge for the title or minimum top 2. He then was on course for the worst ever Premier League season.

 

Rohl took over in a bad situation and made things better. Martin had a good situation and underperformed.

I’m not sure Southampton were that hopeful to be honest.  They had their team somewhat decimated, had a load of young unproven players and were just down in the dumps.  I think Leeds were way more fancied than them that season.  I’m no Martin fan, in fact totally agree with you on Rohl and what he did but just don’t want to overstate how much Saints were seen as super strong, just because they came down with us  

[ACF]

Against Brussell as I don’t think he’s the culture reseter we need. It’s more of the same. 

I’m firmly Ruud out but I do applaud him for forcing players out if they’re not meeting standards off the pitch. Baffling that the on pitch standards haven’t been met the same way

[Les-TA-Jon]

16 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

If you mean it’s this simplistic then I don’t think that’s true. There’s a good percentage of fans that have watched enough football to know what works and what doesn’t with a certain group of players, they’re just not very articulate on the whole. 

 

Besides, football really isn’t that complicated. The fact remains that you can’t score goals without ‘getting it forward’ and you can’t win games without scoring goals. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know if you’re passing it around the back with no urgency, at some point you’re going to need to get it forward to cause a threat. 

 

This is what I mean when I talk about Martin. Yes, like Rodgers, he ‘speaks well’ which gives the impression of tactical nous. But there’s no substance there, they don’t understand playing the percentages, they don’t consider how most goals are actually scored, and few of them appreciate the importance of tempo and movement off the ball. These are very basic aspects that are also some of the most important and central considerations in English football tactics. Yet many managers ignore them.

 

The average fan is as tactically astute, about their own team at least, as most managers are. Managers are by and large just ex-players, that doesn’t qualify them as tacticians.

The average fan near where I sit in H1 meets every sideways or backwards pass with a groan or an expletive. 

 

People seem to think that anything that isn't a forward move is negative. The game isn't that simple. I mean most crosses that result in a goal go backwards...

[moore_94]

 

[moore_94]

This week there have been reports around van Nistelrooy's future as Leicester City manager, with some suggesting he may not continue in the role.

 

He was asked how it feels to read those stories
 

[moore_94]

He was asked if he has spoken to the club about his future this week
 

[moore_94]

Given it's been a few weeks since relegation was confirmed, van Nistelrooy was asked if he is frustrated by the lack of clarity around his future
 

[TheFiveTime]

feel sorry for him a little bit, sure he hasnt done well, but thrown in the deep end without any support - what can you expect. deserves a chance but probably at another club

[HankMarvin]

6 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

This week there have been reports around van Nistelrooy's future as Leicester City manager, with some suggesting he may not continue in the role.

 

He was asked how it feels to read those stories
 

I don’t think he is in any position to grumble, he should be thankful of our financial predicament that he is still in a job after 15 odd losses from 17 and 8 home blanks 

Edited 23 May 2025 by HankMarvin

[moore_94]

Finally, in terms of his future, he says he wants clarity, but not just for himself
 

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, TheFiveTime said:

feel sorry for him a little bit, sure he hasnt done well, but thrown in the deep end without any support - what can you expect. deserves a chance but probably at another club

What support would you have liked him to have for a club on its arse to meet PSR, a few million on staff perhaps or another £20/30m on players that turn out to be utter shit and saddle the club with even more long term debt?

[Les-TA-Jon]

It's not a great look for the club is it. They're either sure he's gone, but being secretive about it or they don't know what their plan is for the manager/preseason/summer window. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

5 minutes ago, TheFiveTime said:

feel sorry for him a little bit, sure he hasnt done well, but thrown in the deep end without any support - what can you expect. deserves a chance but probably at another club

Even in this situation he seems out of his depth. 

 

I think you can sense complete incompetence in any walk of life and unfortunately he is truly atrocious at being a football manager at a failing football club. 

 

No real shame in it as we are a basket case but he is being royally compensated for being shocking at a job most of us with give our left arm to do 

[UniFox21]

15 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

He was asked if he has spoken to the club about his future this week
 

 

9 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Finally, in terms of his future, he says he wants clarity, but not just for himself
 

In all honesty, I don't believe this. 

They'll all know what the likelihood of the next week is. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

He talks here about his focus on “… one more game.”

 

The club have treated him pretty badly if you ask me. Not giving him the tools to succeed, and these constant questions about his future that he can’t really answer.