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11 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

What support would you have liked him to have for a club on its arse to meet PSR, a few million on staff perhaps or another £20/30m on players that turn out to be utter shit and saddle the club with even more long term debt?

 

7 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

Even in this situation he seems out of his depth. 

 

I think you can sense complete incompetence in any walk of life and unfortunately he is truly atrocious at being a football manager at a failing football club. 

 

No real shame in it as we are a basket case but he is being royally compensated for being shocking at a job most of us with give our left arm to do 

Its like a GCSE student being asked to take an A-level with no preperation, no revision and no resources. What do you expect but a fail? In another world with the right structure and prep, he may have succeeded but no chance with this. Yes he has failed and made some terrible decisions - but it was inevitable I think

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1 minute ago, TheFiveTime said:

 

Its like a GCSE student being asked to take an A-level with no preperation, no revision and no resources. What do you expect but a fail? In another world with the right structure and prep, he may have succeeded but no chance with this. Yes he has failed and made some terrible decisions - but it was inevitable I think

He may have done aright at United? 

 

He used to being around and working with big talents and potentially they (united) are big talents who have not been firing. 

 

For him to have to work with BDFR, Ayew etc must have been a shock to him but the fact he kept picking the ****ers (among other things) is what's grinded my gears 

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7 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

That's one big ****ing IF 

 

If they turn up it'll be 3 or 4 nil 

Don't think anyone gave us a chance vs Forest and we should have won or Spurs and we won. Even Cooper won against Bournemouth earlier this season, they're on the beach!

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26 minutes ago, TheFiveTime said:

 

Its like a GCSE student being asked to take an A-level with no preperation, no revision and no resources. What do you expect but a fail? In another world with the right structure and prep, he may have succeeded but no chance with this. Yes he has failed and made some terrible decisions - but it was inevitable I think

It’s not really anything like that, the bloke has worked as  assistant manager of Holland multiple times, and PSV manager

not come from a job in Argos still wet behind the ears.

No resources like a £100m training ground.

 

its not unheard of for managers to get no pre season is it, it’s not unheard of for managers to get no money and still see an uptick in results.

See Moyes and Lampard recently 

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26 minutes ago, TheFiveTime said:

 

Its like a GCSE student being asked to take an A-level with no preperation, no revision and no resources. What do you expect but a fail? In another world with the right structure and prep, he may have succeeded but no chance with this. Yes he has failed and made some terrible decisions - but it was inevitable I think

More like PHD level student

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14 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

I don’t disagree with expectations it’s more just you’d expect Martin to be better equipped to guide a side back up when he’s already been there and done it. 

This is a few years old now and I'm sure there are other places that have put together this data aas well this is just the first I found on a quick Google but it basically puts to bed the myth that experienced championship managers are better in fact generally the ones with less experience do better

https://thetilehurstend.sbnation.com/2022/5/16/23010647/analysis-how-much-does-efl-championship-experience-matter-when-hiring-manager-reading-fc

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51 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

He talks here about his focus on “… one more game.”

 

The club have treated him pretty badly if you ask me. Not giving him the tools to succeed, and these constant questions about his future that he can’t really answer. 

For all you know he has been told he is leaving at the end of the season weeks ago but been asked not to talk about it. 

 

There is plenty of stuff that we know the club have done wrong that we can critise them for let's not start jumping to conclusions about how they have treated him with no proof.

 

Not defending him or the club just think we should focus on criticising for things we know they have done wrong rather than things we don't know have or haven't happened

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2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

What support would you have liked him to have for a club on its arse to meet PSR, a few million on staff perhaps or another £20/30m on players that turn out to be utter shit and saddle the club with even more long term debt?

 

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

I don’t think he is in any position to grumble, he should be thankful of our financial predicament that he is still in a job after 15 odd losses from 17 and 8 home blanks 

Yes to the second point, even given the first.

 

I don't think it was wild fantasy to hope that he could come in, have a look at the squad he's got and motivate them to play to their strengths.

 

The real questions are 1. Why did the board go with a manager whose most successful side leaked goals at a frightening rate in the Dutch league, and 2. How did he manage to suck all of the goals out of us, given that we were scoring under Cooper and his PSV team were so prolific?

 

 

 

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Embarrassing really that they haven't spoken to him; media reports he's going to be sacked, it's all very distasteful.

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1 hour ago, Jakemoore said:

Feel sorry for him. He’s been nothing but professional about the club even though he must know that the club is an absolute joke. The fact that he hasn’t been told he’s coming or going by now is a disgrace quite frankly. 

And is probably the reason some managers mentioned wouldn't come here

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We don’t know exactly what has been said if anything to Ruud but it is not great  if nobody has been open with him or given him some sort of heads up , But IMO Ruud is trying to make a case for being judged since he changed the narrative and relegation was confirmed. No club can be expected to ignore the results when the club was really under pressure and assume that the recent positivity will continue into next season which will be very tough.

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3 hours ago, Dmitry said:

You make it sound like he was a 18 y.o. conscript who was dropped off behind the enemy lines without a map.

We are talking about a grown man of almost 50, who has spent ALL OF HIS LIFE IN FOOTBALL. He knows nothing else. And he is a terrible manager.

He should be released on the sideline after the Bournemouth match,  told to clear his desk and get the f*&k out of there, thank you very much.

Yeah he's a multimillionaire hardly going to be on the breadline after relegating our club. 

Zero sympathy he's really bad at his very lucrative job. 

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But apparently Top ‘respects’ him and doesn’t want to talk to new managers lol

 

Yep showing him great respect you pathetic little man child….

 

1h ago14:10

Van Nistelrooy in the dark over his Leicester future

Leicester boss Ruud van Nistelrooy has insisted he remains in the dark over his future amid speculation that he is to lose his job in the wake of relegation from the Premier League.

The 48-year-old Dutchman, who was appointed in December, has spent recent days reading that his days could be numbered with former Southampton counterpart Russell Martin being touted as a replacement.

However, asked about his future at his press conference ahead of the final-day trip to Bournemouth, Van Nistelrooy said: “It would be good to find out.

“It would be good to have a conversation. It would be good to come together, if that’s what they want. There haven’t been any other conversations.”

Asked further about the ongoing rumours of his imminent departure, he added: “I read them and go back to my job.

“That’s what I’m here for. That’s what my responsibility and drive is, to prepare the game for Sunday with the players.”

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The more I think about it the more I think this whole I know nothing routine is an agreed position that he and the club are hiding behind until the season concludes. The only other responses he can give is the truth which is I am out on my ear as soon as the whistle blows on Sunday and that starts a whole new line of uncomfortable questioning. 
 

I honesty think the club has already agree the terms of his departure and this response to this line of questioning is part of the settlement agreement. Honestly I don’t believe a bar of it that he has no idea what is happening, I think his departure will be announced on Monday /Tuesday. 

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5 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The more I think about it the more I think this whole I know nothing routine is an agreed position that he and the club are hiding behind until the season concludes. The only other responses he can give is the truth which is I am out on my ear as soon as the whistle blows on Sunday and that starts a whole new line of uncomfortable questioning. 
 

I honesty think the club has already agree the terms of his departure and this response to this line of questioning is part of the settlement agreement. Honestly I don’t believe a bar of it that he has no idea what is happening, I think his departure will be announced on Monday /Tuesday. 

Maybe so.  Maybe they have also identified a new manager and agreed a contract in principle and maybe planning is advanced for the summer.....perhaps not.

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4 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The more I think about it the more I think this whole I know nothing routine is an agreed position that he and the club are hiding behind until the season concludes. The only other responses he can give is the truth which is I am out on my ear as soon as the whistle blows on Sunday and that starts a whole new line of uncomfortable questioning. 
 

I honesty think the club has already agree the terms of his departure and this response to this line of questioning is part of the settlement agreement. Honestly I don’t believe a bar of it that he has no idea what is happening, I think his departure will be announced on Monday /Tuesday. 

I know what you mean but it would be an unusual arrangement for the club to agree to given how poorly it reflects on them, and the reports from Percy and others have also suggested he genuinely has been left in the dark. For all that Ruud has handled it in a dignified manner, he has also made quite a few comments indicating he'd really rather have some clarity, for his sake and the club's.

 

I don't see who the continued uncertainty benefits. Logic dictates that no news means he'll be gone, because otherwise they would presumably want him to be looking ahead to next season already, but then logic would also dictate not throwing money at shit like Oliver Skipp and Odsonne Edouard when you're perpetually rubbing up against PSR limits, so **** knows what we're actually planning.

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29 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The more I think about it the more I think this whole I know nothing routine is an agreed position that he and the club are hiding behind until the season concludes. The only other responses he can give is the truth which is I am out on my ear as soon as the whistle blows on Sunday and that starts a whole new line of uncomfortable questioning. 
 

I honesty think the club has already agree the terms of his departure and this response to this line of questioning is part of the settlement agreement. Honestly I don’t believe a bar of it that he has no idea what is happening, I think his departure will be announced on Monday /Tuesday. 

I doubt it. If they'd already reached an agreement, a better response to this line of questioning would be "I've agreed that I'll sit down with the club at the end of the season discuss our options. Until then I'm just focused on this season." Repeatedly saying, "I want clarity but the club won't sit down with me" makes the club look really bad. There is no way that is an agreed strategy. They really haven't told him yet.

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