Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Happy Fox]

Will we get any compensation for our goalkeeping coach that might go some way to helping pay off RVN..

[moore_94]

2 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

the cracks might be starting to open up

At least it means we won't have to pay him off and might actually get some money for him

[sylofox]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

That is exactly what clauses do, hence why our players now have relegation clauses that reduce their wages by a fixed %. Likewise a manager will except that if the club is relegated his wage and pay off reduces accordingly. Many termination clauses will be performance linked so if you drop or finish outside European qualification or relegated or even position linked the pay off is adjusted accordingly. 

 

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Because £2m is better than £0. Of course there are contracts with inferior relegation clauses, could be a combination of that and/or psr. None of us know really. 

Same answer to both of you.

 

Yes relegation will be in the clause as you would expect.

But being sacked in may, June  or July will have no bearing on his pay out. 

 

The only reason we are waiting is so the payment is in next years accounts and not this year's.

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 minute ago, sylofox said:

 

Same answer to both of you.

 

Yes relegation will be in the clause as you would expect.

But being sacked in may, June  or July will have no bearing on his pay out. 

 

The only reason we are waiting is so the payment is in next years accounts and not this year's.

As I previously said it depends on the wording in his contract, if it stipulates his pay off is dependent on what division we are in then today is absolutely significant. 

[splinterdream]

Just now, sylofox said:

 

Same answer to both of you.

 

Yes relegation will be in the clause as you would expect.

But being sacked in may, June  or July will have no bearing on his pay out. 

 

The only reason we are waiting is so the payment is in next years accounts and not this year's.

But who says he has to be paid immediately on being fired? 

I think its more likely the club (top) haven't decided yet, he's been like "let's all go on holiday and we'll sort it out in a couple of weeks, plenty of time". 

It's pure amateur stuff, I dont think we know whether we can bring any players in, whether we can ship anyone out, and whether as a result its best to stick with RVN, its another fine mess.

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

As I previously said it depends on the wording in his contract, if it stipulates his pay off is dependent on what division we are in then today is absolutely significant. 

But we know it won't happen today even though this is the official date.

 

Other clubs sack managers before this date. So your saying they pay a higher rate to get rid.

 

I'm not saying clauses don't exist anymore than you can say they do.

 

But one thing we all know is PSR is the problem.

[Scotch]

8 minutes ago, sylofox said:

 

Same answer to both of you.

 

Yes relegation will be in the clause as you would expect.

But being sacked in may, June  or July will have no bearing on his pay out. 

 

The only reason we are waiting is so the payment is in next years accounts and not this year's.

Ofcourse it will. The pay out won't be a set amount. It will be in direct relation to his wages and if his wages decrease following relegation then so will the pay out. 

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, Scotch said:

Ofcourse it will. 

 

Care to read what I said again.

 

Where did I say a relegation clause would not be in his contract?

[Scotch]

5 minutes ago, sylofox said:

 

Care to read what I said again.

 

Where did I say a relegation clause would not be in his contract?

You said it WOULD be in his contract but you said the month we sacked him wouldn't make a difference to his pay out. This is the bit I'm disputing because depending on what month we sacked him dictates wether or not the relegation clause has kicked in. 

[sylofox]

5 minutes ago, Scotch said:

You said it WOULD be in his contract but you said the month we sacked him wouldn't make a difference to his pay out. This is the bit I'm disputing because depending on what month we sacked him dictates wether or not the relegation clause has kicked in. 

Once relegated no. All today is is the day we leave the EPL and join the EFL.

 

Other clubs sack managers after the last game after being relegated. So do they throw away 100's of k even millions by sacking before the 6th of June or other dates in June?

[HybridFox]

Can't start looking at shaping the squad until we know whether he's staying or not. Ridiculous position to be in and of our own doing

[Scotch]

Today is the day that we have officially been relegated. So you are saying that you believe relegation clause kick in the minute it's mathematically confirmed? So Southampton players got paid less in April? 

 

And yes, I believe teams who sack their manager straight away, prioritise getting a new manager in ASAP over the money they will lose. 

[Nolucklcfc]

He must be desperate for that payoff 

[Claudio Fannieri]

53 minutes ago, sylofox said:

But we know it won't happen today even though this is the official date.

 

Other clubs sack managers before this date. So your saying they pay a higher rate to get rid.

 

I'm not saying clauses don't exist anymore than you can say they do.

 

But one thing we all know is PSR is the problem.

I didn’t say it would happen today what I said is it could happen quickly after today as we are now officially a championship club and therefore contractually the reduced pay off could kick in. 
 

We cannot compare ourselves to other clubs as we will be in very different PSR positions, however a greatly reduced pay off may well make it viable to sack Ruud after today’s date and not have to wait until 1st July. 

[LCFCCKEANO]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

But who says he has to be paid immediately on being fired? 

I think its more likely the club (top) haven't decided yet, he's been like "let's all go on holiday and we'll sort it out in a couple of weeks, plenty of time". 

It's pure amateur stuff, I dont think we know whether we can bring any players in, whether we can ship anyone out, and whether as a result its best to stick with RVN, its another fine mess.

Think he would have to be paid in this accounting period, but I genuinely think you might be right with the holiday stuff. I don’t remember the last time we made a big, boardroom level move in the late May-Early to Mid June period, maybe recency bias and someone can prove me wrong 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, sylofox said:

Once relegated no. All today is is the day we leave the EPL and join the EFL.

 

Other clubs sack managers after the last game after being relegated. So do they throw away 100's of k even millions by sacking before the 6th of June or other dates in June?

Depends if they have a clause or not! 
 

 

[filbertway]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

But we know it won't happen today even though this is the official date.

 

Other clubs sack managers before this date. So your saying they pay a higher rate to get rid.

 

I'm not saying clauses don't exist anymore than you can say they do.

 

But one thing we all know is PSR is the problem.

I'm grateful for it, it's really put a limit onto how many f**k ups the board/executives can make.

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

But who says he has to be paid immediately on being fired? 

I think its more likely the club (top) haven't decided yet, he's been like "let's all go on holiday and we'll sort it out in a couple of weeks, plenty of time". 

It's pure amateur stuff, I dont think we know whether we can bring any players in, whether we can ship anyone out, and whether as a result its best to stick with RVN, its another fine mess.

Accounting standards. It’s nothing to do with the payment and everything to do with the action of terminating his contract.

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I didn’t say it would happen today what I said is it could happen quickly after today as we are now officially a championship club and therefore contractually the reduced pay off could kick in. 
 

We cannot compare ourselves to other clubs as we will be in very different PSR positions, however a greatly reduced pay off may well make it viable to sack Ruud after today’s date and not have to wait until 1st July. 

I'm curious to know how common such clauses are (ie, lower compensation upon officially becoming a Championship club rather than at the point relegation is confirmed). Have there been previous examples of managers of relegated PL sides being kept on for a few weeks after the end of the season but then sacked as soon as the club's shares are transferred to the EFL? 

[5waller5]

4 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Accounting standards. It’s nothing to do with the payment and everything to do with the action of terminating his contract.

So you simply put him on gardening leave until July &nbsp

[CrazyKopCorner]

1 hour ago, Nolucklcfc said:

He must be desperate for that payoff 

He must think he's owed but **** me I don't know why as he's been absolutely ****ing dreadful and in any other business would have been sacked for gross negligence. 

Edited 6 June 2025 by CrazyKopCorner

[Nolucklcfc]

31 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

He must think he's owed but **** me I don't know why as he's been absolutely ****ing dreadful and in any other business would have been sacked for gross negligence. 

You’d think he’d just **** off. It’s the club basically telling him they don’t want him without actually telling him. 

[Finn Claw II]

There is what is in his contract and then there is also what can be negotiated between the club and RVN - the contract is the backstop.  I don’t think he nor the club will want to hang around if he doesn’t have the board’s support which he doesn’t.  It’s also dynamic in terms of job available for RVN and managers for us. 
 

The contract compensation will likely be based on future lost wages which in turn will be based on what division we are in.  

 

There is in then PSR in terms of timing it all. 

 

In short it’ll happen when it happens!

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

I'm curious to know how common such clauses are (ie, lower compensation upon officially becoming a Championship club rather than at the point relegation is confirmed). Have there been previous examples of managers of relegated PL sides being kept on for a few weeks after the end of the season but then sacked as soon as the club's shares are transferred to the EFL? 

There aren’t any examples I could find but I think this is due to the ever changing impact that PSR is now having however hopefully the below helps crystallise why i think this could happen in next few days - 

 

waiting until after the official share transfer in June (when relegated clubs formally become Championship clubs) can potentially reduce or restructure a manager’s termination payment, depending on the terms of their contract.

 

Here’s how and why:

 

🔍 1.

Managerial Contracts Often Contain Relegation Clauses

• Premier League managers typically have contracts that include relegation-related clauses, which:
  • Reduce salary upon relegation (e.g. 40–60% pay cut).
  • Cap or reduce termination payments post-relegation.
  • Change the notice period or payout structure depending on division status.

 

✅ If a manager is sacked after the club is officially a Championship club (typically in June):

 

• Their lower post-relegation salary applies.
• Any payout clause based on salary multiples or remaining contract value becomes cheaper.
• Some contracts may convert to Championship-specific terms, giving the club stronger legal footing to terminate more economically.

 

🧾 2.

June Share Transfer = Technical & Financial Reset

• The EFL and Premier League share transfer marks a change in legal and financial status of the club.
• From that point, the club is officially governed by EFL regulations.
• Internal accounting may also shift budgets, forecasts, and obligations tied to league membership — allowing cleaner financial decisions, including severance.

 

📉 3.

Mitigating Cost Under Championship Conditions

 

By waiting until after:

• The club could argue the payout is based on Championship wage terms.
• Any performance-related bonuses, often tied to Premier League status, would be void or excluded.
• There may be sponsorship or parachute payment factors influencing the timing of costed decisions.

 

🔄 Real-World Application:

• While many clubs sack managers immediately after relegation, others wait until June or early July to ensure they:
  • Finalise the share transfer.
  • Complete internal budget resets.
  • Use relegation clauses to reduce payout exposure.

 

⚠️ Caveat:

 

This only applies if the contract includes those relegation clauses. Not all do — especially for short-term appointments or managers hired late in a relegation battle. Without such clauses, payout would be calculated on full contract terms, regardless of league status.

[ClaphamFox]

6 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

There aren’t any examples I could find but I think this is due to the ever changing impact that PSR is now having however hopefully the below helps crystallise why i think this could happen in next few days - 

 

waiting until after the official share transfer in June (when relegated clubs formally become Championship clubs) can potentially reduce or restructure a manager’s termination payment, depending on the terms of their contract.

 

Here’s how and why:

 

🔍 1.

Managerial Contracts Often Contain Relegation Clauses

• Premier League managers typically have contracts that include relegation-related clauses, which:
  • Reduce salary upon relegation (e.g. 40–60% pay cut).
  • Cap or reduce termination payments post-relegation.
  • Change the notice period or payout structure depending on division status.

 

✅ If a manager is sacked after the club is officially a Championship club (typically in June):

 

• Their lower post-relegation salary applies.
• Any payout clause based on salary multiples or remaining contract value becomes cheaper.
• Some contracts may convert to Championship-specific terms, giving the club stronger legal footing to terminate more economically.

 

🧾 2.

June Share Transfer = Technical & Financial Reset

• The EFL and Premier League share transfer marks a change in legal and financial status of the club.
• From that point, the club is officially governed by EFL regulations.
• Internal accounting may also shift budgets, forecasts, and obligations tied to league membership — allowing cleaner financial decisions, including severance.

 

📉 3.

Mitigating Cost Under Championship Conditions

 

By waiting until after:

• The club could argue the payout is based on Championship wage terms.
• Any performance-related bonuses, often tied to Premier League status, would be void or excluded.
• There may be sponsorship or parachute payment factors influencing the timing of costed decisions.

 

🔄 Real-World Application:

• While many clubs sack managers immediately after relegation, others wait until June or early July to ensure they:
  • Finalise the share transfer.
  • Complete internal budget resets.
  • Use relegation clauses to reduce payout exposure.

 

⚠️ Caveat:

 

This only applies if the contract includes those relegation clauses. Not all do — especially for short-term appointments or managers hired late in a relegation battle. Without such clauses, payout would be calculated on full contract terms, regardless of league status.

But even if such a clause exists, the club still needs to be able to afford to pay it. What if things are so tight with PSR that we don’t even have the funds to pay a reduced pay out during this accounting period?

Edited 6 June 2025 by ClaphamFox