Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[HesNotGudjonsonn2]

We spent £25 million on an unrequired Skipp and didn’t improve our first team defense… if that isn’t down to Cooper, then who? Surely we aren’t just going to buy Skipp without Cooper wanting him. 

[Matt]

4 hours ago, HesNotGudjonsonn2 said:

We spent £25 million on an unrequired Skipp and didn’t improve our first team defense… if that isn’t down to Cooper, then who? Surely we aren’t just going to buy Skipp without Cooper wanting him. 

Why was Coady and Cannon bought then not played when Enzo was here? A waste of £14m. (I genuinely don't see Enzo 'having' those 2 and believe very much they were signed over his head)

 

Why was Souttar, Kristiansen, Daka, Soumare, Vestergaard, Bertrand (Free, but wages..) bought and not played when Rodgers was here? A waste of around £87m.

 

Now this is no defence of Cooper, it's simply making the comparisons and points, neither am I going to sit here and say Cooper was no part of it (I'd be a hypocrite and contradicting myself I did) because when people claim "Rodgers wasn't backed" I like to point out he was backed, very much so, to the tune of £200m, buying shite, leaving us in the mess we're currently in, of course he had a part in it but like Cooper cannot be solely blamed.

 

Meanwhile, as I pointed out yesterday, RVN hasn't brought or been allowed his own staff, so by that metric we're still left with the same staff, same scouts, same moneymen that recruited under Cooper. Yippee!

 

Edited 5 January by Matt

[MadsEmil]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

Why was Coady, Cannon bought and not played when Enzo was here? A waste of £14m. (I genuinely don't see Enzo 'having' those 2 and believe very much they were signed over his head)

 

Why was Souttar, Kristiansen, Daka, Soumare, Vestergaard, Bertrand (Free, but wages..) bought and not played when Rodgers was here? A waste of around £87m.

 

Now this is no defence of Cooper, it's simply making the comparisons and points, neither am I going to sit here and say Cooper was no part of it because when people claim "Rodgers wasn't backed" I like to point out he was backed, to the tune of £200m, buying shite, leaving us in the mess we're currently in, of course he had a part in it but like Cooper cannot be solely blamed.

 

Meanwhile, as I pointed out yesterday, RVN hasn't brought or been allowed his own staff, so by that metric we're still left with the same staff, same scouts, same moneymen that recruited under Cooper. Yippee!

 

Sorry but Vesty and Bertrand were specifically requested by Brendan, we know that from countless sources.

[Matt]

Just now, MadsEmil said:

Sorry but Vesty and Bertrand were specifically requested by Brendan, we know that from countless sources.

I'm not disputing none of them were specifically requested or not, some were, some (probably, giving benefit of the doubt) weren't, just speaking generally over comparisons.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Cooper was miles better if we’re being honest, don’t give a shit about dominating the ball we ain’t good enough to play that way 

[trooky]

5 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Cooper was miles better if we’re being honest, don’t give a shit about dominating the ball we ain’t good enough to play that way 

Not sure the players share that opinion when they got him the sack with their complete lack of respect towards him. 

Edited 5 January by trooky

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Why was Coady and Cannon bought and not played when Enzo was here? A waste of £14m. (I genuinely don't see Enzo 'having' those 2 and believe very much they were signed over his head)

 

Why was Souttar, Kristiansen, Daka, Soumare, Vestergaard, Bertrand (Free, but wages..) bought and not played when Rodgers was here? A waste of around £87m.

 

Now this is no defence of Cooper, it's simply making the comparisons and points, neither am I going to sit here and say Cooper was no part of it (I'd be a hypocrite and contradicting myself I did) because when people claim "Rodgers wasn't backed" I like to point out he was backed, very much so, to the tune of £200m, buying shite, leaving us in the mess we're currently in, of course he had a part in it but like Cooper cannot be solely blamed.

 

Meanwhile, as I pointed out yesterday, RVN hasn't brought or been allowed his own staff, so by that metric we're still left with the same staff, same scouts, same moneymen that recruited under Cooper. Yippee!

 

If all 3 managers are having the exact same issue, doesn’t that point to the fault lying somewhere else within the club?

 

I’d also add, I think you’re wrong on Coady, I think Enzo did want him.

He made him club captain, the injury timing was very unfortunate and Enzo didn’t like to alter winning formulas.

Edited 5 January by Strokes

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 minute ago, trooky said:

Not sure the players share that opinion when they got him the sack with their complete lack of respect towards him. 

the players are shit, we’ve just lost 5 in a row. What has Ruud done to have justified this change? 

[Chelmofox]

Although i got tickets, i don't care about the FA Cup. Use the time between now and the Palace game to get the deals done we need and to get some confidence into some of the youth that we may need.

 

Give Alves a start against QPR. Can we recall Braybrooke and start him as well? Is Joseph a viable option if we can't get anyone in? If not - start Hamza and make him feel like the position is his to lose. Start Facundo and get his mojo back again.

 

I am getting really concerned with the use of Vardy. He needs to be rotating Daka and Vardy, just not using Vardy for the full 90. Villa felt like a game where he should have started Daka and put vardy on in the 60th minute. 

Edited 5 January by Chelmofox

[trooky]

Against champions league teams in Newcastle, Liverpool, Man City and Villa with a reserve keeper and  no Fatawu, Ndidi or Ricky P. 

 

The only thing Cooper had going for him was luck and he's used it all up for the season gaining 10 points in 12 games. 

 

Considering the injuries and run of games 4 points from 7 isn't that bad. 

 

The only real blip was the Wolves game which was totally on Ward who would still have player under Cooper.

 

I'm more confident under RVN than Cooper because at least he has a tactical plan whilst Cooper offered nothing and relied on luck which was already on the turn before he was sacked. 

 

 

 

Edited 5 January by trooky

[orangecity23]

22 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Cooper was miles better if we’re being honest, don’t give a shit about dominating the ball we ain’t good enough to play that way 

Miles better?

Took 9 PL games to win a game, won the next game, never won a game again after that.

Was so much better than RVN, that when we played Villa at home, instead of losing 2-1 like we did yesterday, we err, lost 2-1.

Conceeded 4 against Arsenal, 3 against Forest at home, 5 against Man Utd in the cup and another 3 against them in the league.

[The Horse's Mouth]

4 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

Miles better?

Took 9 PL games to win a game, won the next game, never won a game again after that.

Was so much better than RVN, that when we played Villa at home, instead of losing 2-1 like we did yesterday, we err, lost 2-1.

Conceeded 4 against Arsenal, 3 against Forest at home, 5 against Man Utd in the cup and another 3 against them in the league.

We were never in the bottom 3 with him and for all of coopers faults he at least understood that this squad is wank and we probably should be cautious, you can argue too cautious which id agree with but genuinely had a bit more of a clue.

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

We were never in the bottom 3 with him and for all of coopers faults he at least understood that this squad is wank and we probably should be cautious, you can argue too cautious which id agree with but genuinely had a bit more of a clue.

We were never cautious or hard to beat under Cooper. We had an exceptional keeper whose stock has risen significantly as a result of making a number of outstanding saves. A keeper Ruud has had twice. 

[orangecity23]

4 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

We were never in the bottom 3 with him and for all of coopers faults he at least understood that this squad is wank and we probably should be cautious, you can argue too cautious which id agree with but genuinely had a bit more of a clue.

He genuinely didn't. We were a disorganised rabble, he didn't understand or know what substitutions were for, and the only reason we stayed out of the bottom 3 was because Fatawu bailed him out of what would have been a 2-0 loss to Russel Martin's Southampton. He was massively propped up by Hermansen.

[trooky]

2 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

We were never in the bottom 3 with him and for all of coopers faults he at least understood that this squad is wank and we probably should be cautious, you can argue too cautious which id agree with but genuinely had a bit more of a clue.

Only because he was sacked before, the club was already on a downward spiral and it would only have been a matter of time. 

 

Cooper has done nothing in his career to suggest he would have gained points away to Newcastle, Liverpool, Villa or at home to Man City so stop trying to claim the recent run of results under him would have been any different. 

 

We're conceding too many goals from individual mistakes in defence which is costing us. 

 

Mads alone has been responsible for our 14 points because he's been performing miracles in goal. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

3 minutes ago, trooky said:

Only because he was sacked before, the club was already on a downward spiral and it would only have been a matter of time. 

 

Cooper has done nothing in his career to suggest he would have gained points away to Newcastle, Liverpool, Villa or at home to Man City so stop trying to claim the recent run of results under him would have been any different. 

 

We're conceding too many goals from individual mistakes in defence which is costing us. 

 

Mads alone has been responsible for our 14 points because he's been performing miracles in goal. 

I think we’d have got something from Man City with cooper personally, there’s no way we’d have been that on the front foot but I’m not here to talk about ifs and buts 

 

my genuine point was nothing has really improved in anything has gotten worse under ruud we concede more and score less 

 

Now I’m not here belittling how big Mads is for us, but this man picked Danny Ward for a relegation 6 pointer. I personally feel less confident with this manager than I did with cooper personally, the only thing I do think has improved with Ruud is he’s not scared to make a change and makes relatively sensible ones 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

46 minutes ago, trooky said:

Not sure the players share that opinion when they got him the sack with their complete lack of respect towards him. 

Sadly the newly found respect has resulted in 4 somewhat fortunate points and 5 straight defeats. 

[trooky]

28 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I think we’d have got something from Man City with cooper personally, there’s no way we’d have been that on the front foot but I’m not here to talk about ifs and buts 

 

my genuine point was nothing has really improved in anything has gotten worse under ruud we concede more and score less 

 

Now I’m not here belittling how big Mads is for us, but this man picked Danny Ward for a relegation 6 pointer. I personally feel less confident with this manager than I did with cooper personally, the only thing I do think has improved with Ruud is he’s not scared to make a change and makes relatively sensible ones 

Fair enough, I'm the opposite I'm more confident with Ruud at the helm. 

 

I'm not blaming Ruud for picking Ward either because Cooper would gave done the same.

 

He played him in 3 league Cup games so blaming Ruud for this is ridiculous, he was the regonized back-up keeper. 

 

At least he learnt from the mistake quickly and dropped him from the squad completely which I'm not convinced Cooper would have done.

 

 

Edited 5 January by trooky

[J. James]

34 minutes ago, trooky said:

Against champions league teams in Newcastle, Liverpool, Man City and Villa with a reserve keeper and  no Fatawu, Ndidi or Ricky P. 

 

The only thing Cooper had going for him was luck and he's used it all up for the season gaining 10 points in 12 games. 

 

Considering the injuries and run of games 4 points from 7 isn't that bad. 

 

The only real blip was the Wolves game which was totally on Ward who would still have player under Cooper.

 

I'm more confident under RVN than Cooper because at least he has a tactical plan whilst Cooper offered nothing and relied on luck which was already on the turn before he was sacked. 

 

 

 

Wow, what an inciteful person you are, you seem to know things that no one could possibly know!

Not even the man himself!

Brilliant!

Maybe you could PM the lottery numbers to me as l have no doubt you can see them clearly...

 

[trooky]

3 minutes ago, J. James said:

Wow, what an inciteful person you are, you seem to know things that no one could possibly know!

Not even the man himself!

Brilliant!

Maybe you could PM the lottery numbers to me as l have no doubt you can see them clearly...

 

I've kept them for myself, I wouldn't waste them on you Coops. 

[J. James]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

I've kept them for myself, I wouldn't waste them on you Coops. 

Aagh, you guessed, well as you now know I'll tell you the truth, Ward was on the bench sure because l had no option. Would l have played him if l had another option? Not a chance, the man is sgriw as we say in the valleys.
The signings? Well l was given a small list of players by... Well, l can't say (NDA) so lets just say he has the same initials as a character from Dallas ( the TV show not the city) .
It was a tough gig sure, but l felt l had some chance with a bunch of third raters but l forgot what I'd been told about their inflated ego's and how they would look for excuses to cover their own lack of talent and effort.
I think l could have succeeded if your owner hadn't had the same idea of blaming me to cover his own many and various shortcomings and after l accidentally unstuck the pages of the MUFC magazine 2004 I found in his office and saw the picture (photo l took below) , I pretty much knew when he became available l was out.
Anyway no worries boyo, I'm in the Bahamas on my boat atm so l really dont need any numbers.
Ps. Please keep this to yourself.

 

 

[dannythefox]

I like Ruud I think he’s got something about him but keeping this team up will take something special. Ipswich are better than us we’ve 5 first team players out and we need back to back wins. Just don’t see him getting a chance unless we keep him for the championship. Rudkin has to go he’s put us in some stupid positions over the last few years. Finding myself not bothered about going it’s the waste of a full day for me. 

Edited 5 January by dannythefox

[Claudio Fannieri]

Have a look at Man United absolute basket case of a club and despite appointing a world class manager in Anorim, they are also going through an horrific run of form, it shows that whilst appointing a top manager it’s not always the silver bullet, it will take time, a couple of transfer windows and a pre season to really stamp your mark on a club especially when they have been so poorly run. 
 

Now take a look at Leicester City who have gone along a similar path of scattergun managerial appointments and player recruitment which has left us with massively unbalanced, overpaid mash up of a squad. Over the last 2.5 seasons we have had 5 managers, Rodgers, Smith, Enzo, Cooper and now Ruud, where is the continuity in those appointments, each time we change manager we have gone from one style to another which suggests zero succession planning, therefore we see differing styles, different profiles of players and as a consequence a bloated squad of average players who signed to suit a specific style at the time. 
 

We are so poorly run now, we have no long term plan, identity and style of play which means that at least our recruitment would be sustainable and in the event of a change of manager who is we aligned to our style of play the squad would be fit for purpose. 
 

We are already seeing 3/4 of this summers recruits bench warming, there is zero long term strategy or planning we are literally winging it and hoping we get lucky. 
 

We are so far away from the club we were where teams like Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth aspired to emulate, we have now become the Man United of the also rans, lazy and scatter gun in our approach, no discerniable plan or identity and resting on our Premier League and FA Cup laurels.
 

Absolutely pitiful how we have fallen away and it is the Manager, who has only just joined, been hit hard for injuries and has a lack of quality and depth in certain positions due to appalling recruitment, who is being questioned rather than the common denominators in all of this who are the DoF and Owner who have been culpable in our demise. 

[trooky]

1 hour ago, J. James said:

Aagh, you guessed, well as you now know I'll tell you the truth, Ward was on the bench sure because l had no option. Would l have played him if l had another option? Not a chance, the man is sgriw as we say in the valleys.
The signings? Well l was given a small list of players by... Well, l can't say (NDA) so lets just say he has the same initials as a character from Dallas ( the TV show not the city) .
It was a tough gig sure, but l felt l had some chance with a bunch of third raters but l forgot what I'd been told about their inflated ego's and how they would look for excuses to cover their own lack of talent and effort.
I think l could have succeeded if your owner hadn't had the same idea of blaming me to cover his own many and various shortcomings and after l accidentally unstuck the pages of the MUFC magazine 2004 I found in his office and saw the picture (photo l took below) , I pretty much knew when he became available l was out.
Anyway no worries boyo, I'm in the Bahamas on my boat atm so l really dont need any numbers.
Ps. Please keep this to yourself.

 

 

Well it shows you how clueless you are Coops, you played Ward 3 times in the league cup😂, must be the boyo luv eh! 

[jayfox26]

21 hours ago, Number 6 said:

Still think we'd be able to put together one of the better sides in the division next season. A points deduction would probably make automatics a step too far but we should still be looking at top 6. Transfer embargo doesn't mean you can't sign anyone either.

 

The gap between divisions has widened because the Prem has got stronger in part, but also because the Champ is significantly weaker. If Burnley, Leeds, Sheff Utd come up this season then I think that only aids our cause too.

I'm not so sure. I'm also not convinced we'd be able to attract a decent manager as people would be put off by how badly run the club is plus the points deductions etc. Any new manager would be on a hiding to nowhere, and I can't see Ruud sticking around for long if things get worse.