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Abdukodir Khusanov - signing for Man City

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honeybradger

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Looks good but if we are going to keep playing out from the back surely we want centre backs who are more comfortable on the ball. We cant keep bringing in managers who want that playstyle then not buying the right type of player for that system.

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If we're dropping stupid money on centre backs I'd like us to see if we can get Hato from Ajax.  Though he's probably well above our targets, haven't seen him linked away yet though.

StriderHiryu

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17 hours ago, The boy Linacre said:

Bearing in mind the other 3 candidates are ManC, Tottenham & Newcastle, how are we looking attractive???

We could sign players with a relegation release clause. Gives them the opportunity to get into the shop window if we go down.

 

It won't appeal to everyone, but players that take gradual steps tend to perform better than ones that are just thrown in at the deep end. Someone like this starts every week for us, but is a bit part player at other teams.

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Greg2607

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19 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Looks good but if we are going to keep playing out from the back surely we want centre backs who are more comfortable on the ball. We cant keep bringing in managers who want that playstyle then not buying the right type of player for that system.

I think you'll find we can. lol

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Iran

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10 hours ago, -sodapop said:

Just scored vs PSG.

They changed it to an assist for some reason, but had a good game against PSG. Unfortunately came off injured. 

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coolhandfox

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5 minutes ago, JimJams said:

We aren't spunking £25mill on a CB, Shirley!

We need to we are conceding on average 2.1 goals a game.

 

Without two new defender we aren't staying up.

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coolhandfox

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10 minutes ago, JimJams said:

I'm not talking about needing new players, I'm talking about players at £25mill when we need so many.

I know, but we need quality, we are going to need to spend decent money to get it.

 

The issue we have is we need quality and quantity.

FoxesFourLife

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48 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I know, but we need quality, we are going to need to spend decent money to get it.

 

The issue we have is we need quality and quantity.

We need quality even just a sinlge player can make all the difference the great escape season Huth came in in January.

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honeybradger

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4 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

I know, but we need quality, we are going to need to spend decent money to get it.

 

The issue we have is we need quality and quantity.

Well run clubs sign quality players in the £5-10 mil bracket all the time. Some of our worst transfers have been £20mil and over.

 

A higher transfer fee does not guarantee quality and if it doesnt work out it means we are stuck with them for the foreseeable future. We should not be spending £25mil+ on players any time soon.

Dahnsouff

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1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

I mean it’s a very Leicester thing to do, spaff £25m on one player when we need several. 

It’s an interesting point tbh, would people rage if we spent 25m on just Bilal? Probably so and likely justifiably so. 
 

And admittedly, the chances of our scouting team hitting the bullseye twice in a row is very slim!

coolhandfox

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1 hour ago, honeybradger said:

Well run clubs sign quality players in the £5-10 mil bracket all the time. Some of our worst transfers have been £20mil and over.

 

A higher transfer fee does not guarantee quality and if it doesnt work out it means we are stuck with them for the foreseeable future. We should not be spending £25mil+ on players any time soon.

Paying 5, 10, 75, 80, 100m doesn't guarantee quality, good scouting does.

 

Signing player for 5m to 10m are generally for the future, we need ready made players in January one of the hardest and most expensive window to operate in.

 

We need a quality CB and RB, I'm afraid we are going to have to spend decent money, unless we are happy to go down and go again.

 

 

 

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honeybradger

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1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

Paying 5, 10, 75, 80, 100m doesn't guarantee quality, good scouting does.

True, contradicts your point that we need to spend big for a quality player when a good scout could find one for £5mil.

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

 

Signing player for 5m to 10m are generally for the future, we need ready made players in January one of the hardest and most expensive window to operate in.

Not true. Forest signed both of their centre backs for £10mil each. PSV signed Ryan Flamingo for £8mil. Bournemouth signed Huijsen for £12.5mil. Porto signed Otavio for £10mil.

 

There are loads of good and ready centrebacks in the market available for £5-£10mil. We just need to do our due diligence on our transfers. If we cant do that then £25mil being spent is an even worse idea.

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

 

We need a quality CB and RB, I'm afraid we are going to have to spend decent money, unless we are happy to go down and go again.

 

 

 

As above we could easily spend £15mil+ each on centrebacks/fullbacks and go down anyway. Faes, Vestergaard, Souttar and Kristiansen cost us £15mil each and none of them are good enough. A well run club such as Bologna, Porto, PSV etc would only be willing to spend £5mil or less on each of these players. None of these will be in for Khusanov for £25mil as they know there is better value to be had in the market.

 

It will come down to how well the players were scouted, not how much was spent on them.

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coolhandfox

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2 hours ago, honeybradger said:

True, contradicts your point that we need to spend big for a quality player when a good scout could find one for £5mil.

So all the big 6 should stop spend big money and just sign players for 5m? 

 

You pay money for players who have pedigree, if scouted well they are less of a risk from a performance point of view.

 

2 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Not true. Forest signed both of their centre backs for £10mil each. PSV signed Ryan Flamingo for £8mil. Bournemouth signed Huijsen for £12.5mil. Porto signed Otavio for £10mil.

How many other players did forest sign since they got promoted, throw enough shit at the wall some will stick.

2 hours ago, honeybradger said:

There are loads of good and ready centrebacks in the market available for £5-£10mil. We just need to do our due diligence on our transfers. If we cant do that then £25mil being spent is an even worse idea.

So we shouldn't have brought Fofana?

 

2 hours ago, honeybradger said:

As above we could easily spend £15mil+ each on centrebacks/fullbacks and go down anyway. Faes, Vestergaard, Souttar and Kristiansen cost us £15mil each and none of them are good enough. A well run club such as Bologna, Porto, PSV etc would only be willing to spend £5mil or less on each of these players. None of these will be in for Khusanov for £25mil as they know there is better value to be had in the market.

Value isn't just defined by price, is it, its about value for money.

 

Coady better value then Fofana? 

 

2 hours ago, honeybradger said:

It will come down to how well the players were scouted, not how much was spent on them.

So if that's the case why do the clubs that spend the most on transfers fee win the league and finish in the top 4? 

 

It's just not that black and white, for every Mahrez you can have a 100 who are rubbish.

 

For every Fofana you can have a Daka.

 

We need to pick up some quality it's easier to do that if you are willing to spend decent money.

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volpeazzurro

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11 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

We need to we are conceding on average 2.1 goals a game.

 

Without two new defender we aren't staying up.

Replacement for JJ is surely the priority because splashing out 25m on yet another centre half! Vestergaard, Coady and Okoli are decent enough. Priority is the right flank, both fullback and winger. If Vardy get injured we're stuffed too!

honeybradger

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1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

So all the big 6 should stop spend big money and just sign players for 5m? 

 

You pay money for players who have pedigree, if scouted well they are less of a risk from a performance point of view.

 

How many other players did forest sign since they got promoted, throw enough shit at the wall some will stick.

So we shouldn't have brought Fofana?

 

Value isn't just defined by price, is it, its about value for money.

 

Coady better value then Fofana? 

 

So if that's the case why do the clubs that spend the most on transfers fee win the league and finish in the top 4? 

 

It's just not that black and white, for every Mahrez you can have a 100 who are rubbish.

 

For every Fofana you can have a Daka.

 

We need to pick up some quality it's easier to do that if you are willing to spend decent money.

Regarding Nottingham Forest's centrebacks I didnt mean that they were a well run club, just that there are good centrebacks available for £10mil and they were some of the examples from the PL.

 

Regarding Fofana I think signing him for £32mil was a mistake and we got bailed out by Chelsea. The risk of having him injured (like he did) or not performing exceeded what our tolerance for risk is as a club and we would have been in deep financial trouble had we not been able to sell him. I hope we dont make transfers like him any time soon no matter how good he was for us. 

 

Regarding Coady I dont think he was good value for money at all. He's an example of our poor recruitment. We overpaid for him for guaranteed experience similar to how we may overpay for someone like Khusanov for guaranteed quality. The issue is that nothing is guaranteed in football, for example Coady's inability to hold a defensive line against Man City despite being a veteran. Khusanov may not be the great defender we thought he would be and we go down anyway.

 

With someone like Khusanov his value is inflated because there is loads of interest in him, if we go for uncovered gems it's easier to get better value as there isnt as much competition and if they dont work out we can sell them on for a nominal loss.

 

The spend more to win more fallacy isnt always correct. Ajax tried to start spending large amounts of money and they collapsed, they have now gone back to their academy and recruitment of unknown players and got much better. Man United and Everton are lower table teams despite spending. We collapsed after a summer of no major sales and buying multiple £20mil players. 

 

At the end of the day half the best teams in Europe are the likes of Atalanta, Sporting, Benfica, Porto, PSV, Feyenoord, Ajax, Leverkusen etc that dont spend much but have excellent scouting and youth development. That needs to be our model, not following the top 6 PL team model of overpaying for the big name of the day.

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