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By Mickyblueeyes, in Leicester City Forum

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Dan

Dan

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1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Tielemans leaving on a free was a kick in the teeth. Could we have dropped him to the reserve s and forced a sale ? Perhaps but we wouldve significantly reduced the asset and no one expected the drop in application and effort we saw in the last season. I don’t think most on this forum would’ve accepted it at the time. Very hard for the club to control and we won’t be the first. Guehi will be leaving Palace for free - albeit a bit more blame on their side. 
 

I mean they get booed by many but guys Mahrez and Maguire at one point did it for Vichai and showed the club the respect it deserved and “signed the contract” when it would’ve been easier to run it down. But they were different class even though both got pissed off with the work of Rudkin in getting them their moves. Tielemans did what was best for him which was his decision and showed very little care for the club in doing so and that’s football now / you can’t blame him for it. Not everyone has the Vichai pull.
 

I don’t know if I look at that or Soyuncu or others leaving on free as one of the top 3 reasons for where we currently are. I do look at being locked into the Rodgers contract - him staying on way too long. The “easy” PL experience signings like Vestegaard and Skipp on over inflated prices and wages. And the lack of preparation post Fofana sale as bigger issues. We were let down with piss poor management there without doubt. 
 

and the fundamental issue this club has is despite this, there is still no plan or accountability. Until we fix that, we suffer. 

That's an interesting comparison and it is sort of true. They had the chance to sell him in the summer but chose not to because Glasner would've lost his shit. The difference is though I don't think Glasner would tank them to a point where they literally do get relegated, nor do I think Palace would just sit there and allow it to happen.

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Dan

Dan

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34 minutes ago, Corky said:

We were relying on making the Champions League yet ignored for eight months the fact we were in a relegation battle and kept a manager on who was actively doing a ruinous job.

 

We were relying on Champions League football because nobody had a clue what was going on and needed the safety net.

Yeah the entire thing doesn't work. Can call it hindsight but I'm personally not in the crowd of thinking selling players is some grave crime, quite the opposite if anything. I'd sell Fatawu in January if the offer was right.

Pliskin

Pliskin

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6 minutes ago, Dan said:

Yeah the entire thing doesn't work. Can call it hindsight but I'm personally not in the crowd of thinking selling players is some grave crime, quite the opposite if anything. I'd sell Fatawu in January if the offer was right.

It’s how clubs of our size need to operate. We did do it, we made a significant amount of money that way, but for some reason ****ed it up. 
 

Like yourself I’d happily see us sell Fatawu in January if the price was right and benefitted us, we could potentially get a replacement in with half of the cash made on him. 
 

We may have to sell Nelson, due to his contract situation, he might unfortunately be the one we have to cash in on. 
 

But anyway, we have to go back to that model of selling assets in order for grow, and then hope our academy can produce more talent going forward. 

Dan

Dan

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28 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

It’s how clubs of our size need to operate. We did do it, we made a significant amount of money that way, but for some reason ****ed it up. 
 

Like yourself I’d happily see us sell Fatawu in January if the price was right and benefitted us, we could potentially get a replacement in with half of the cash made on him. 
 

We may have to sell Nelson, due to his contract situation, he might unfortunately be the one we have to cash in on. 
 

But anyway, we have to go back to that model of selling assets in order for grow, and then hope our academy can produce more talent going forward. 

Southampton get a lot of shit but their issue was the recruitment dipped. Recruitment of players and managers dictates 90% of how well you'll actually do as a club. If Southampton's recruitment dips then... yes, they are going to get worse.

 

I thought our whole model, if it was a model, of selling one a summer was pretty much spot on. You can track our downturn pretty much from the summer that we did both not sell anybody and buy what turned out in the long run to be a load of garbage.

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Chrysalis

Chrysalis

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To me we had a model of selling a big name player every summer, to top up normal income.  For this model to keep working it would require recruitment to be good enough that there would be a ready made replacement for the player leaving.  Ideally one that had already been groomed in the squad so recruited at least one summer before.  

 

This obviously requires good scouting, good sports analysis team, good negotiation on recruitment.

We were primarily aiming to recruit young up and coming players, who would later become big sales, for this to work at its best these would be signed initially on long contracts combined with lower than average wages for the squad.  This then puts us under less pressure to sell quickly if its evident they wont renew, less pressure on wage budget, easier to sell if they dont make the grade, and more stability in the squad when do they make the grade.  So e.g. a 6 year contract we could sell end of year 3, having keeping the original signing wages for the entire period, and still be selling with 2 years remaining.  On a 4 year contract, if the player doesnt extend, and you sell with 2 years remaining you only get 2 years out of the player which is too short if you ambitious and want to keep improving.  If you decide to risk it, to get more out of the player you then risk ending up where we did with a player leaving for nothing and being rubbish in their final year.  

 

To me there is clear mismanagement of the squad from a recruitment, contractual and sales point of view.  The obvious factors making sales a challenge are excessive wages given out and also a misguided idea that a player cannot be sold for less than book value.  This led to us with a high annual spend, and being crippled on squad changes.  Even crippled to the point we couldnt afford to sack a manager.  Absolutely horrid directorship.

All the years after that horrid summer to me have shown no lessons have been learned.  Also an embarrassment in terms of dodgy sponsorships, repeatedly in the news for breaches of spending limits, not cooperating with rule makers, its a show of arrogance and feeds those who want us to be heavily punished.  

There is a phrase from F1 when the ex Red Bull team principle commented on Renaults failure of having ambitions to win but combined with a pound shop budget.  I see that as similar to Top telling managers to make us play like Pep Man City, but without a squad of players suited to it and the quality of coaches required for it.

I seriously would take a much poorer owner now if they were competent, and communicated as well.  However they wouldnt be able to afford us, the club is not an attractive buy.

King Power will value the squad at book value which will be a clear over valuation, the training grounds will be factored in to buying the club.  Plus whatever compensation KP will want on top of that, its going to take a wealthy entity to buy this club, unless we go in the direction of Sheff Wed, which is a plausible possibility if we not promoted again soon.  But probably looking at a few years for that to be a possibility.

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foxinsocks

foxinsocks

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1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

To me we had a model of selling a big name player every summer, to top up normal income.  For this model to keep working it would require recruitment to be good enough that there would be a ready made replacement for the player leaving.  Ideally one that had already been groomed in the squad so recruited at least one summer before.  

 

This obviously requires good scouting, good sports analysis team, good negotiation on recruitment.

We were primarily aiming to recruit young up and coming players, who would later become big sales, for this to work at its best these would be signed initially on long contracts combined with lower than average wages for the squad.  This then puts us under less pressure to sell quickly if its evident they wont renew, less pressure on wage budget, easier to sell if they dont make the grade, and more stability in the squad when do they make the grade.  So e.g. a 6 year contract we could sell end of year 3, having keeping the original signing wages for the entire period, and still be selling with 2 years remaining.  On a 4 year contract, if the player doesnt extend, and you sell with 2 years remaining you only get 2 years out of the player which is too short if you ambitious and want to keep improving.  If you decide to risk it, to get more out of the player you then risk ending up where we did with a player leaving for nothing and being rubbish in their final year.  

 

To me there is clear mismanagement of the squad from a recruitment, contractual and sales point of view.  The obvious factors making sales a challenge are excessive wages given out and also a misguided idea that a player cannot be sold for less than book value.  This led to us with a high annual spend, and being crippled on squad changes.  Even crippled to the point we couldnt afford to sack a manager.  Absolutely horrid directorship.

All the years after that horrid summer to me have shown no lessons have been learned.  Also an embarrassment in terms of dodgy sponsorships, repeatedly in the news for breaches of spending limits, not cooperating with rule makers, its a show of arrogance and feeds those who want us to be heavily punished.  

There is a phrase from F1 when the ex Red Bull team principle commented on Renaults failure of having ambitions to win but combined with a pound shop budget.  I see that as similar to Top telling managers to make us play like Pep Man City, but without a squad of players suited to it and the quality of coaches required for it.

I seriously would take a much poorer owner now if they were competent, and communicated as well.  However they wouldnt be able to afford us, the club is not an attractive buy.

King Power will value the squad at book value which will be a clear over valuation, the training grounds will be factored in to buying the club.  Plus whatever compensation KP will want on top of that, its going to take a wealthy entity to buy this club, unless we go in the direction of Sheff Wed, which is a plausible possibility if we not promoted again soon.  But probably looking at a few years for that to be a possibility.

We should never over pay wages as it prevents us from moving players on.

We should sell any player who will not extend their contract with 12mths to go.  

The book value does not represent the current msrket value of a player.  I doubt we should ever sell for book value.... sometines it will be higher some lower

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Wink84

Wink84

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14 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

To me we had a model of selling a big name player every summer, to top up normal income.  For this model to keep working it would require recruitment to be good enough that there would be a ready made replacement for the player leaving.  Ideally one that had already been groomed in the squad so recruited at least one summer before.  

 

This obviously requires good scouting, good sports analysis team, good negotiation on recruitment.

We were primarily aiming to recruit young up and coming players, who would later become big sales, for this to work at its best these would be signed initially on long contracts combined with lower than average wages for the squad.  This then puts us under less pressure to sell quickly if its evident they wont renew, less pressure on wage budget, easier to sell if they dont make the grade, and more stability in the squad when do they make the grade.  So e.g. a 6 year contract we could sell end of year 3, having keeping the original signing wages for the entire period, and still be selling with 2 years remaining.  On a 4 year contract, if the player doesnt extend, and you sell with 2 years remaining you only get 2 years out of the player which is too short if you ambitious and want to keep improving.  If you decide to risk it, to get more out of the player you then risk ending up where we did with a player leaving for nothing and being rubbish in their final year.  

 

To me there is clear mismanagement of the squad from a recruitment, contractual and sales point of view.  The obvious factors making sales a challenge are excessive wages given out and also a misguided idea that a player cannot be sold for less than book value.  This led to us with a high annual spend, and being crippled on squad changes.  Even crippled to the point we couldnt afford to sack a manager.  Absolutely horrid directorship.

All the years after that horrid summer to me have shown no lessons have been learned.  Also an embarrassment in terms of dodgy sponsorships, repeatedly in the news for breaches of spending limits, not cooperating with rule makers, its a show of arrogance and feeds those who want us to be heavily punished.  

There is a phrase from F1 when the ex Red Bull team principle commented on Renaults failure of having ambitions to win but combined with a pound shop budget.  I see that as similar to Top telling managers to make us play like Pep Man City, but without a squad of players suited to it and the quality of coaches required for it.

I seriously would take a much poorer owner now if they were competent, and communicated as well.  However they wouldnt be able to afford us, the club is not an attractive buy.

King Power will value the squad at book value which will be a clear over valuation, the training grounds will be factored in to buying the club.  Plus whatever compensation KP will want on top of that, its going to take a wealthy entity to buy this club, unless we go in the direction of Sheff Wed, which is a plausible possibility if we not promoted again soon.  But probably looking at a few years for that to be a possibility.

Could have just said, do what Brighton do now instead of making us read all that. :)

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Foxin_Mad

Foxin_Mad

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17 hours ago, Dan said:

There's gambling and there's Leicester City banking on making the Champions League. Despite getting very close in the previous two years that is irresponsible. Even today I think it wouldn't be prudent for say Tottenham or Manchester United to bank it on qualifying for the Champions League even with five places. In-fact I'd say the only three clubs who really can do this are Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool. Chelsea can probably get away with it and work around it if they miss out so add them in too.

 

The whole thing around that season doesn't compute. We budget to make the Champions League, abandon a model that had seen us rise to having a chance in the first place and then when we get nowhere near.... nothing changes. 

Either way, the side they assembled should have been reasonable enough to stay in the league, that is really the catastrophic failure. 

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Chrysalis

Chrysalis

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7 hours ago, Wink84 said:

Could have just said, do what Brighton do now instead of making us read all that. :)

Except I dont know what Brighton are doing.

 

Apparently we linked to Antonia, lost for words.  :facepalm:

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em9999

em9999

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7 minutes ago, The_77 said:

Matches what I’ve been hearing all day and that this comes from Top’s new director.
 

And it gets even worse than this.  

Yep got the email today a full.ones day notice

 

Happy Christmas Leicester city 💙 

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The_77

The_77

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1 minute ago, em9999 said:

Yep got the email today a full.ones day notice

 

Happy Christmas Leicester city 💙 

Horrible and shameless by King Power Group. Hope you’re doing OK. Happy to help with a little something if that would make a difference.

 

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em9999

em9999

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Just now, The_77 said:

Horrible and shameless by King Power Group. Hope you’re doing OK. Happy to help with a little something if that would make a difference.

 

I'm OK thank you I've saved money from last month . Really kind of you through..  I thought it was a early April fools gag ..

 

 

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Dan

Dan

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On 17/12/2025 at 10:28, Foxin_Mad said:

Either way, the side they assembled should have been reasonable enough to stay in the league, that is really the catastrophic failure. 

I'd agree with that. It should never, ever have been able to get to actual relegation. I really think because we're not a traditional big hitter it goes under the radar to most quite how bad a relegation that actually was.

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em9999

em9999

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The real shocking thing to me is nor the decision it doesn't surprise me in the slightest 

 

The real kick in the teeth is one day's notice at Christmas 🎄  it reflects really bad on the club and I'm quite ashamed of them right now 

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