Could Ruud Walk away ?

[Muzzy_no7]

Under Pooper we got 10pts on the board but it should’ve been more like 5-7.

 

Under Ruud we have 4 pts but it should probably be at least 5, maybe 7. 
 

We’re playing better under Ruud than we did Poops and the stats back that up. 

[RowlattsFox]

8 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Under Pooper we got 10pts on the board but it should’ve been more like 5-7.

 

Under Ruud we have 4 pts but it should probably be at least 5, maybe 7. 
 

We’re playing better under Ruud than we did Poops and the stats back that up. 

Ruud could've had 0 points if West Ham could finish and Brighton saw the game out. 

 

I didn't watch us against Man City and Liverpool where we were supposedly 'ok' but did against Newcastle and Wolves where we we abysmal (admittedly not helped by Ward) and Villa where we again, ok at best. 

 

Fact is we were shit under Cooper, and still are under Ruud  

[Tommy G]

27 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

It was dumb luck that the performances we had under Cooper didn't lead to batterings. That and a keeper playing out of his skin. 

 

xG is by no means the be all and end all, but is a very good indicator of a team's ability to create chances & how good they are at preventing them. We lost 4-2 to Arsenal under Cooper, on the surface - not a battering. Diving into the stats, the xG was Arsenal 6.05 (!!!!) to our 0.34 (!!!). Dumb luck. 

 

You then compare that to the 'battering' we recieved under Ruud against Wolves where Wolves had 4 shots on target, create an xG of 1.14 and win 3-0. Sometimes you don't get what you deserve and Cooper's reign is indicative of that. 

 

 

Despite a significantly worse pool of players to select from against significantly stronger opposition (On the whole), we look like a team with a game plan. Despite the media's depiction of us suddenly being terrible defensively, we are conceding fewer chances per game than under Cooper & have maintained a decent goal threat (Once again, despite having fixtures against City, Newcastle, Liverpool & Villa). 

 

I can understand the frustration with Ruud (I am still furious about Wolves, particularly his goalkeeper selection), but lets judge him at the end of January. At that stage he'll have had a much fairer crack of the whip in terms of fixtures and hopefully have some more bodies to choose from. 

Fair points and hopefully he comes through - we needs points on the board 

[Tommy G]

48 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Yes and I think he will 

I know nooooothing

[Fox92]

15 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Under Pooper we got 10pts on the board but it should’ve been more like 5-7.

 

Under Ruud we have 4 pts but it should probably be at least 5, maybe 7. 
 

We’re playing better under Ruud than we did Poops and the stats back that up. 

5-7 points under Ruud, where? Even in his only win against West Ham a better team would have scored at least 3 goals.

 

We're conceding more and scoring less now so not sure which stats you're referring too.

 

I was no fan of Cooper but I'm not going to pretend things are better now because they're not.

[daddylonglegs]

17 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

5-7 points under Ruud, where? Even in his only win against West Ham a better team would have scored at least 3 goals.

 

We're conceding more and scoring less now so not sure which stats you're referring too.

 

I was no fan of Cooper but I'm not going to pretend things are better now because they're not.

We deserved something out of both the City & Villa games. Having said that, I don't think we deserved more than 2 points from West Ham/Brighton. 

Things aren't better from a points perspective (The only thing that matters!!), but context is important. The last 4 fixtures are basically as tough as we could've faced. 3 of our best 4 players are injured. Not sure now is the time to definitely say things can't get better, particularly with a decent set of fixtures coming up. 

[Muzzy_no7]

22 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

5-7 points under Ruud, where? Even in his only win against West Ham a better team would have scored at least 3 goals.

 

We're conceding more and scoring less now so not sure which stats you're referring too.

 

I was no fan of Cooper but I'm not going to pretend things are better now because they're not.

West Ham huffed and puffed. On half and clear cut chances we edged it. They just kept having shots with very little chance of scoring or actually creating anything. 
 

Against Brighton we actually had a higher XG and created better chances than them. 
 

We deserved to at least draw, maybe win the Man City game.

 

Theres your 5-7pts. 
 

The Villa game, with both teams missing key players it was once again an INDIVIDUAL error that cost us. 
 

Wolves game was just a complete freak one-off and almost entirely down to Danny Ward. Wolves actually, once again, created very little. 

[Richmondfox]

30 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Ruud could've had 0 points if West Ham could finish and Brighton saw the game out. 

 

I didn't watch us against Man City and Liverpool where we were supposedly 'ok' but did against Newcastle and Wolves where we we abysmal (admittedly not helped by Ward) and Villa where we again, ok at best. 

 

Fact is we were shit under Cooper, and still are under Ruud  

IMO the football is “better” under Ruud and the players look like they have a bit more fight and an idea. The players that were terrible under Cooper are still making the same mistakes under Ruud. 

 

They can practice all week but it’s out of his hands if JJ does JJ, Soumare jogs around not closing anyone down, Vardy misses what you would expect someone of his ability and legend to score and Ayew falls over or gives the ball away every attack.
 

 

Cooper wasted the players that are now injured by not using them, Ruud is missing out on Fatawu, Mads, Ndidi & Ricardo.  

 

TLDR, still at the bottom and doesn’t look good.

[Chelmofox]

4 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Wolves game was just a complete freak one-off and almost entirely down to Danny Ward. Wolves actually, once again, created very little. 

My thinking too. Don't get me wrong, we played poorly, and for the most part i thought Wolves were shit.  But when you look at the overall stats we had very similar XG and Wolves had 4 shots on target. Different goalkeeper and i think that game is a draw at worst. 

[Fox92]

18 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

West Ham huffed and puffed. On half and clear cut chances we edged it. They just kept having shots with very little chance of scoring or actually creating anything. 
 

Against Brighton we actually had a higher XG and created better chances than them. 
 

We deserved to at least draw, maybe win the Man City game.

 

Theres your 5-7pts. 
 

The Villa game, with both teams missing key players it was once again an INDIVIDUAL error that cost us. 
 

Wolves game was just a complete freak one-off and almost entirely down to Danny Ward. Wolves actually, once again, created very little. 

West Ham had "little chance of scoring" despite the fact Coady literally cleared the ball off our line? They created a lot of chances against us. If it was the other way around then you'd be putting it down as points we should have got.

 

Brighton was an improvement, don't get me wrong, but they were still able to score out of nowhere.

 

Agree on the Man City game. Thought we did okay. Still lost though, ultimately against an out of form team that had previously drawn their last match at home to our relegation rivals Everton.

 

Villa's XG was higher was it not?

 

Wolves was down to Danny Ward's errors but we didn't really threaten them aside from Vardy having one off the line. It was a disgraceful performance from us, as was the Newcastle game when they should have scored more than 4.

 

There were games we lost under Cooper that were down to individual errors but you wouldn't use that as an excuse for Cooper.

 

Ultimately we are conceding more and scoring less now. 

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

West Ham had "little chance of scoring" despite the fact Coady literally cleared the ball off our line? They created a lot of chances against us. If it was the other way around then you'd be putting it down as points we should have got.

 

Brighton was an improvement, don't get me wrong, but they were still able to score out of nowhere.

 

Agree on the Man City game. Thought we did okay. Still lost though, ultimately against an out of form team that had previously drawn their last match at home to our relegation rivals Everton.

 

Villa's XG was higher was it not?

 

Wolves was down to Danny Ward's errors but we didn't really threaten them aside from Vardy having one off the line. It was a disgraceful performance from us, as was the Newcastle game when they should have scored more than 4.

 

There were games we lost under Cooper that were down to individual errors but you wouldn't use that as an excuse for Cooper.

 

Ultimately we are conceding more and scoring less now. 

Maybe let's wait till we play a run of games that aren't Brighton, Newcastle, Villa, Man City and Liverpool.

Especially with Danny ward being in goal for 1.5 of those. As well as our starting winger and CM being out injured.

 

He's addressed the crazy amount of chances we were conceding. Next is to keep that balance whilst being more of threat ourselves.

 

My only real concern with him atm is the continued starting of Ayew, I don't understand it. Hoping to see Facundo feature more against Fulham and Palace where we should be looking to dominate the games and force the issue.

[filbertway]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Wayne Rooney is vastly more wealthy and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Plymouth were probably not paying him Premier League money. He also went by "mutual consent" meaning he probably took a pay off, just a reduced one. Staying was also doing irreparable damage to whatever shreds of a coaching career Rooney has left. 

 

Ruud will almost certainly be walking away from millions if he quits. He's also not harming his reputation at all being here because the narrative outside the club is very much that Leicester is a shit show and whatever happens isn't his fault. 

 

But mostly, it's unbelievably insulting to his intelligence for any of you to imply he'd be thick enough to not realise the situation coming in. The idea that he COULD be lied to by the club at this stage is just silly. 

 

The evidence has been there for the whole footballing world to see and he had inside knowledge via Enzo. 

He's come out yesterday and said the club were transparent on the PSR situation and it's up to them to comment on it. He also stated we're able to make signings in January and work on these started in December.

 

So we'll see by Feb 1st if the actions match the words.

 

Like you say though, walking away from Premier League money (especially this club) is going to be much harder than walking away from Eredivisie money.

[Daggers]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Wayne Rooney is vastly more wealthy and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Plymouth were probably not paying him Premier League money. He also went by "mutual consent" meaning he probably took a pay off, just a reduced one. Staying was also doing irreparable damage to whatever shreds of a coaching career Rooney has left. 

 

Ruud will almost certainly be walking away from millions if he quits. He's also not harming his reputation at all being here because the narrative outside the club is very much that Leicester is a shit show and whatever happens isn't his fault. 

 

But mostly, it's unbelievably insulting to his intelligence for any of you to imply he'd be thick enough to not realise the situation coming in. The idea that he COULD be lied to by the club at this stage is just silly. 

 

The evidence has been there for the whole footballing world to see and he had inside knowledge via Enzo. 

 

[insert Babs style come back here]
 

[filbertway]

11 minutes ago, Daggers said:

[insert Babs style come back here]
 

This just reminded me of this scene from the US Office

 

 

 

[adejo92]

5 straight defeats, 1 win & 1 draw.

 

17 goals Conceded. 

 

Naivety to play Danny Ward.

 

Persistence to play James Justin. 

 

Can only hope he walks.

[The Doctor]

55 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Ultimately we are conceding more and scoring less now. 

because cooper was lucky as ****. We're creating more and giving up fewer chances under Ruud than under Cooper. However a combination of bad variance, injury to Mads and the way the fixtures have fallen means the results don't reflect the underlying stats.

[Foxin_Mad]

Cooper was ****ing shit, lets not have any clouded judgement here. Ive absolutely no idea what his game plan or tactics were. At least Rudd has a vision, it may not work, but its a vision, a philosophy. 

 

We are lucky we have as many points as we do, we haven't really deserved any of them.

 

We were lucky to beat Bournemouth and the sending off helped us beat Southampton with an Abdul masterclass after looking absolute crap in the first half.

 

We are shit because the club and football operation is being run by a complete and utter imbecile. We didn't sign enough good players. Whoever brought in some of our signings needs to be got rid of quick.

Edited 10 January by Foxin_Mad

[Graceroad]

23 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Under Pooper we got 10pts on the board but it should’ve been more like 5-7.

 

Under Ruud we have 4 pts but it should probably be at least 5, maybe 7. 
 

We’re playing better under Ruud than we did Poops and the stats back that up. 

Are you forgetting the Palace game when we should have taken 3 points but for Coady and the injury time goals against Arsenal?

 

[Graceroad]

20 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Cooper was ****ing shit, lets not have any clouded judgement here. Ive absolutely no idea what his game plan or tactics were. At least Rudd has a vision, it may not work, but its a vision, a philosophy. 

 

We are lucky we have as many points as we do, we haven't really deserved any of them.

 

We were lucky to beat Bournemouth and the sending off helped us beat Southampton with an Abdul masterclass after looking absolute crap in the first half.

 

We are shit because the club and football operation is being run by a complete and utter imbecile. We didn't sign enough good players. Whoever brought in some of our signings needs to be got rid of quick.

Don't entirely  agree about Bournmouth yes we were holding on in the 2nd half but we should have been 3 up at half time we had a clear penalty not given and Vardy missed a one on one

[Claridge]

21 hours ago, The Doctor said:

because cooper was lucky as ****. We're creating more and giving up fewer chances under Ruud than under Cooper. However a combination of bad variance, injury to Mads and the way the fixtures have fallen means the results don't reflect the underlying stats.

and terrible team selections

[The whole world smiles]

On 10/01/2025 at 10:52, Muzzy_no7 said:

Under Pooper we got 10pts on the board but it should’ve been more like 5-7.

 

Under Ruud we have 4 pts but it should probably be at least 5, maybe 7. 
 

We’re playing better under Ruud than we did Poops and the stats back that up. 

What magical stats are these?

 

Ruud points per game 0.57 

 

Cooper points per game 0.83

[The Doctor]

On 10/01/2025 at 10:52, Muzzy_no7 said:

Under Pooper we got 10pts on the board but it should’ve been more like 5-7.

 

Under Ruud we have 4 pts but it should probably be at least 5, maybe 7. 
 

We’re playing better under Ruud than we did Poops and the stats back that up. 

not convinced they entirely do, although the average fixture difficult has to be considered, like if we take the home and away tables (like brentford are the second best at home, third worse away, so it levels out that kind of disparity), the average position for RvNs opponents is 7th, for Cooper it was 11th.

 

With that in mind:

 

Cooper had more shots per game (9.6 vs 7.1), with equivalent shots on target (2.9). The xG per game is 0.9 under Ruud v 1.0 under Cooper, so overperforming xG less under Ruud (1 goal per game v 1.3 under Cooper), although Cooper's higher xG per game is due to the penalties (yet to see one under Ruud, it's equivalnets in terms of non-penalty xG). We're completing more passes with a higher accuracy under Ruud (401 per game with 81% accuracy vs 359 with 78.8% accuracy). Against meanwhile we're giving up marginally more shots (18.3 vs 17.5) and a marginally higher xG (2.1 v 2.0) and allowing more passes (515 to 425). Like it's a much of muchness in all regards, so you could argue that Ruuds slightly more difficult fixture list means it's a slight improvement, but...

 

[moore_94]

More likely to get the boot than walk